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This new graph definitely has a wider frequency spacing (smoothing) versus the JAES paper... but unlike those we normally see released by other manufacturers, these haven't been massaged by a marketing dept. Like someone already mentioned... apart from the obvious gains in both the low end smoothing and the high-end extension... the Jub remains much closer to it ±db spec along it's whole frequency response versus the khorn's obvious bell shaped curve. This is what will principally contribute to the audible extended frequency response... while the bell shape will give the khorn more of a one-note-wonder sound. Definitely an improvement... ROb

So what you are saying is that even though the horn itself limits the gains in bass extension... there are actually some gains.... other than efficiency. I remember reading a post from Andy (HDBRbuilder) mentioning him peaking down the vented Jub access trap and seeing the two drivers and passive radiator. Seems to me that the three would not fit in a standard height Jub cab... unless you use a smaller PR (<12") with much greater excursion... as well as modifying the first expansion. Why not use a tuned port? not enough back space? ROb

I've been kinda curious to the direct advantage of using a passive radiator in a horn loaded situation? Unlike a typical ported speaker... won't the lower Fc be dictated by the horn itself? If bass extension isn't the objective, was it a question of efficiency? ROb

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Sad news indeed... and in keeping with his reclusive behaviour... no cause of death, huh? I'll be sure to give "The Madcap Laughs" a spin in his memory...

hmmm... if you're robin, then this doorknocker must have been modeled after him... BTW, there was also another member which bought some over a year ago as well... (his alias was 6foot... )

Pulling them away does seem to reduce it further... I would suspect it's frequency dependant... but it's a good question that would require more experimenting. Note that at those volumes, you do feel the compression in your body as well... so I'm also looking at possibly a combination of factors including air born resonances. Need to get a PC down there... That would depend if it's the cabinet vibrations which are being transmitted to the wall (and they are vibrating on their own) or if it's the sound wave at the horn mouth. BTW... luckily you didn't post that in the 2 channel flame forum... It's a very old processor which only has a fixed 80Hz THX crossover... so the sub is running LFE and the mains are running full range AFAIK. Playing with that may help even further. I'd like to upgrade actually to one that has better LFE management and some HD video switching. Not sure if I should get an older "higher end" model or a new cheaper unit like the Outlaw... but that's an entirely different subject... ROb

Tom, I hope everything is going good for you... haven't seen you on here in a while (or did I miss it?). Just thought I'd through in a couple of my 2¢ as well... I don't know if you saw the same documentary as I did... but I loved the quote from one specialist who said we are "evolutionarily programmed to forming pair bonds, but at the same time programmed to being unfaithful to them". These problems have been around for centuries... but are a little more apparent now because both partners are independent enough to have choices. That, and the fact that we are more comfortable talking about it. I'm sure she did. With my dad's passing in March... I look at my mom, doing her best, getting out there... being with her friends looking for new ways to appreciate life. She didn't always feel like it... but I'm sure my dad would have wanted her to, and things are beginning to pick up. Comes back a little to what Tom said about nice guys finishing last... doesn't it? I do know what you are getting at... it's all a balancing act where both people's wants get catered. In this short time, I find myself feeling very confident and self assured... obviously I can't test to see if I've improved my personal "wants" because right now it's all about me without compromise. Yet, I've got a good feeling about that to... All that to say... even though everything may look all "doom and gloom" following a separation, life is too short not to make the most of it. Logic and experience tells me that everything works out in the long run (one way or the other)... so it's just a question feeling IT to. I think I've succeed well there to... hope Tom's been having my luck with his situation... ROb

Same thing here... no probs with Provantage, and they've cut both prices since.

Ok, I haven't updated this thread in a while either... but I have had a chance finish connecting everything and making some repairs, but I still haven't started on the decorating or the calibration. Calibration will be a little tricky since my desktop is upstairs and I no longer have access to a laptop. I did run the typical built in test tones in the processor and DVD but it just provides a general level calibration. I'm not sure if I trust the processor, as it seems a little hot on music but I'll see more once I get a PC plugged into the line level inputs. I'm also looking at getting a DVD image calibration tool like AVIA or the like. Any recommendations? For now, I turned off the "sharpen" tool in the OPPO DVD player because it seemed to pixelate the edges of the text. I remember reading something about that, but can't find it now. After quite a few movies and even more albums I am very pleased overall, even before the calibration. The video image is great, the khorns sound much happier now (imaging is quite a bit better on a wider wall), and the subwoofer really is a step above anything I've played with. Ok, I've opened up the ceiling and remounted the unit. The mounting looks just as neat, but it is now directly attached to the joints. It makes a big difference, but I can still get the unit to vibrate certain syth bass at high enough volumes. But then again, I can get the structure to vibrate too... because I can: With some more testing... would you believe it's not the IB, but mostly the Khorns? Their corners are braced, sheathed both sides in oriented strand board, glued, screwed, and mostly attached to the floor. I think the weak point lies in their connection to the joists at the top. I tried to minimize those connections during construction (trying to create a weak link) but a link all the same. I know I'm asking for a lot... but got to aim high. Started addressing the light fixtures... it's pretty time consuming and annoying. I found that keeping the bass playing helps to track down the problems... but just gets a little repetitive. I haven't yet attacked the door in a major way, just applied some weather striping for now. I also finished a floor repair, paint touch ups, installing my power centre, etc... it doesn't look dramatically different but the details are falling into place. I'll try to get some more pictures soon... I'll also have to start researching the furniture thing too... I'm thinking a love seat flanked by two singles and recycling my existing sofa out back. ROb

Ok, been awhile since i started this thread but i got somewhat sidetracked as some may have noticed. Everything is hooked up and running along well. I got the PF40... The unit has a really nice look... a little light weight, but the fit and finish blend in well on an AV rack. It comes with a really nice thick power cord that should make even an audiophile smile... but it is non-removable which will prevent the unit from getting acceptance by the more extreme "cable guys". It also has some optional rack mount ears for convenience, but they don't match the face finish. My equipment is on shelves, so no diff to me. It's got enough Coax, Cat5, and Tel outlets out back to make sure you can protect your equipment from problems with shared grounds. I'm glad I went with the bigger model, as I really do need quite a few outlets... and for a couple of $ more, I don't need any messy break out power bars in the rear. I have to buy myself a new digital camera, but I'll try to get some pictures up of the unit. As for performance, I'd LIKE to say it lifted a veil... and everything sounds cleaner and the image is beautiful... but i can't since they were before as well. Everything is on a new dedicated 20amp circuit and I don't seem to have any significant power problems to start with. It's also a little hard to A-B test it... but if I'm ever bored I could bring the unit to my office upstairs which has a monitor which affected by a couple of running appliances. It would be a better test than on a clean circuit. As a side note... since I've got a digital power display... I can give you guys an indication of what I'm working with. At idle with everything off... I've got 126volts+ (a little high) and 0.6Amps (note all numbers are approximate, I didn't write these down). Power everything up... and crank the music well beyond a reasonable level (I'm looking at 122db+ peaks) the voltage drops about 4volts ... but amperage peaks at 9Amps. I just thought I'd post that since I see so many people looking at installing multiple 20Amp circuits for their rooms... when a single one should be more than enough. Later... ROb

I just thought I'd post a little update... maybe one of the last to this thread. I'm actually doing pretty well, taking care of myself and setting new goals. Haven't heard from her in a while and our home feels a little empty, but I've been quite busy. Restarted a lot of the things I enjoy as well a couple of new ones. All this self examination has really made me realise how much fear and anxiety controlled so many parts of my life... not just following the break up. I'm beginning to get a better grip on it, and I'm not planning on quitting till I control it, rather than the opposite. I know I have a lot to offer in so many different aspects, and really have nothing to worry about. I'm already proud of the progress I've made... and it won't be long at all that everything will be better than normal. Without a doubt, I'll come out of this a better person... ahead. Try? No, no... you can't "maybe try"... you'll have to change attitude if you want things to change for you. Set it as a goal. I mean hauling those Klipsch out to the driveway took some doing too... but you knew you could and you did it till it was done. Same thing with this... set a goal to change yourself into the person you'd like to be (and we CAN all change ourselves) and start doing. We are masters to our destinies... ROb

Another day, and still more great strides. I'm feeling better about myself than I have in a long time. [] In these last couple of days, I've realised a lot of the error's I've committed in dealing with the whole situation, which has only resulted in hurting her and myself. Ironically I committed the exact same errors with my first wife; you would think that I should have learnt not to repeat what didn't work? I can't undo what has been done, but I openly vow to change that behaviour, as I have no desire to hurt her. That isn't who I am, and who I want to be remembered as. I've also set myself some personal goals, which will allow me to continue to enjoy all the things I like. People move to new cities all the time and start from scratch, I don't see how this is any more difficult. I'm a very lucky, independent, person with a lot to offer... I won't let anxiety get the better of me. I am even somewhat embarrassed by my progress... but I'll do everything I can to keep moving in that direction. ROb

Thanks.... reply sent.... As many of you must know (or see)... situations like these cause a great deal of thoughts and ideas to rush through our minds. Although many of them are valid thoughts... they get intermixed with fear and anxiety and come out something like an alphabet soup. I have been reading through the book Duke (mark) sent me... and I must admit that it has helped me put some order to all that. Although the thoughts are still my own, I can say that things look much clearer when they aren't clouded by that fear and anxiety. There is no magic pill and I'm still working on myself... but I've honestly taken a good step forward. [8-|] ROb

Actually it is a small private halfway home... for clients coming from an institutionalised life. It's actually not that rough a job as they are generally nice people regardless of their deficiencies. It is now a family business BTW... Tom, I got your email of the 21st of june... to which I replied on the 22nd as well as a note I sent you on the 25th. Did I or you miss any? Actually I'm a member of the Order of Engineers of Quebec, as well as two collectable car clubs ... but would you believe that most of these guys are a generation or two older than me, married, and with kids my age? But you are right about networking... have you taken some of your own advice? I'm looking into a couple of networking options hopefully with people closer to my age. The guys I work with are also quite a bit older than me... the exact same age as my (ex) in-laws. Never thought about using part time work as an option... but I already work two jobs (well technically they are both suffering now... but that is a different story). Most of that is true, and I'm a very open and sensitive (overly sensitive IMHO) but I have to confess that I do listen to my mind over my heart in taking decisions. Yet, I do think we are saying the same thing as I tend to feel that "heart" refers more to an "impulsive" or a "primary" feeling... while the "mind" is a logic based one including on how it makes us feel. Does that make any sense? I've both read and experienced that... only when you let your guard down and stop trying too hard that you get to meet the right people (well for the first 7 years anyhow...) And on the topic of quoting lyrics... has anyone read the album the "Downward Spiral" by Nine Inch Nails? Ohhh... tooo appropriate... ROb

I don't think you were wrong in posting it... after all your point is to be thankful for what we do have, rather than looking at what we don't. Even with everything which has happened to me in the first half of 2006, I can still clearly see how fortunate I have been although sometimes I have to step back to get a better view. From health, to lifestyle, to family... I've got no complaints... and even relationships. Problem is the sorrow is sometimes overwhelming, with the physical symptoms of the loss overpowering my body and clouding my thoughts. I do look forward to the point where my mind regains control of my heart. When I'm not beating myself down, I'm constantly telling myself to step back and see how bright my past and future will be. I have to admit a public audio forum is an odd place to post such personal information... especially one where I'm not just an anonymous alias. To add even further to this, these posts are done real-time, covering the wide range of emotions one may have when trying to deal with such a loss. So why did I do this? This forum (it's members) have become part of my life... so I'm willing to put it on public display in exchange of the support you guys have shown me. Talking things over helps focus on the goal... and I need that right now. Audio or not, I like this place. How often do you get the opportunity to peak so uninhibited into someone's mind? I'm just hoping I won't post anything, influenced by anger or fear, which I'll come to regret down the road. I do realise that this, technically, will be also visible to any of my gf's who make's the effort to look it up... past or future. I'm doing my best to continue to be the gentleman I am and have always been... (feel free to put me back in my place if i get out of line....) ROb

Tonight turned out to be a tougher night than I expected.... FLA show got cancelled last minute, so I had nowhere to go. Can someone tell me why is it that I subconsciously insist on beating myself down with thoughts concerning what I possibly may have done wrong... or what this other, seemingly mundane person has to offer that I don't? Didn't mean to get down on you... just I little frustrated on my end. I normally think I'm one of the luckiest guys in the world... but recently it seems everything I touch turns to dirt. Did I mention that I actually met Mother Teresa in person? In my youth I was working in a small home for the mentally disabled and she showed up for an unannounced visit. Shook her hand.... she was very small with big "hard worked" hands... and a sincere smile. You got to admire someone who's dedicated 100% of their life to helping those less fortunate. I know that last bit is directed at me... and I understand. Hope you arent frustrated at me... I can honestly say I envy you, and wish I could have your faith and the strength it has brought you. Unfortunately faith is something which comes from the heart, and can't be learnt from a text book. ROb

I'll PM you my hotmail account... it seems to allow pretty good size files. You left out the project manager?... She's late twenties... I'm early thirties... and I'm a project manager Don't give me that sob story... you are just loosing focus on your goal. Do you know what your goal is? Before you answer that... I'll help fill it in... Your goal isn't finding that "life partner".... it's turning your "miserable" existence into a fulfilling and enjoyable one. The idea is to be happy... PERIOD... and you don't need a life partner for that. I can promise you that you'll never find the right person, if you don't first find happiness on your own. Tough words... I know... I'm definitely not looking to hurt you but I hope you understand what I'm getting at. A lot of us are in the same position and I know how you are feeling.... he11 I've got that mixed with the loss, betrayal, and not to mention the total upheaval of my day-to-day life. Right now, I'm looking for happiness... only problem is I don't know where I left my life. Faith in what? Unfortunately I've lost faith in durability of relationships... with 50% of marriages ending in divorce. Even the 50% of those who make it, half of them have had to deal with infidelity. Rollercoaster is right... just when you think you know where you are going, there is another drop and twist. I think I lost some loose-change and a life on the last one.... ROb

I hear what you are saying... and I'll be the first to admit that I'm a nice guy (down to the bone) who realises that people take advantage of me. In other words... I know where I stand, and choose to do things consciously. When I say I gained respect, it was in the line of showing strength, courage, and self-control. Had I not gone, it would have only given her the feeling that I was so devastated that I couldn't go on living and she would have gone alone. I guess that I wanted to make sure in my heart that when she'll look back at our 6yrs, she'll be hard pressed to find fault with me. It's really a personal satisfaction thing... yeah... we each paid are share. We always had separate expense accounts, that way I could buy all the Heritage I wanted and she, all the cloths her heart desired. No fights then, and in hindsight, simplifies life now to. True and it definitely su¢ks... Part of me realises that she got a lot more out of our relationship than she put back in. I treated her like a queen and expected nothing in return... so that is what I got. (that is one of your points right?) IMHO, I don't even have to show her... because I honestly don't need her or anyone else. I'm one of those people who enjoys others, but I don't NEED others. I did tell her before she left that we have never been just friends, and I honestly don't see us being just friends. We were a couple and that's who we were. I agree with you on that one Rick, and I don't want pretend to be "just friends" to hang on to the hope that she'll change her mind. We have not spoken or written since our return. I do miss the companionship alot though...and it's not easily replaced. I never really thought about a year down the road... but I guess I'll cross that bridge when I get there. Unfortunately it comes back to the previous fact that I've never needed others, and therefore find myself alone, without the circle of friends to help get things kick-started. Having survived this once before, and starting from exactly the same point, I'm confident that I'll do well for myself even though I feel like sh!t now. This second experience has also showed me that you can never figure that "it'll never happen to us". At least experience has brought me something. Don't get all soft on me now... [] thanks... ROb

Ok... I can live with a noticeable difference in about two months. I'm looking mostly at lifting for starters; after all it's the aesthetics (confidence) I'm after. I would like it to pan through for me so I'm just making sure I see some results quick enough not to loose the motivation. I'm opting for a place close to my home... that way I can go whether I'm coming back from work, or off entirely. I've contemplated it for years... now is the time. Duke: She was a little disillusioned herself that her next relation will probably end with similar feelings as well. She is willing to accept it as part of life, but other than relations... she never fails at anything else she does. BTW, there are BBs other than audio?... wow, must get old fast... ... Bruce: did you get my email response the other day? I'm never sure as some servers seem to block out everything from www.excite.com... Let me know. ROb

I hope you guys don't mind if I continue to use this post a little as a personal blog. Sometimes writing and sharing things helps... versus keeping them bottled up. Although it's been technically over two weeks she "left" me.... I'm approaching the one-week mark of no contact what-so-ever. The emptiness is beginning to set in... and I truly miss her companionship. There is nothing that I can do right now... from trying to get her back (she'll feel forced), telling her how she hurt me (it'll only make her feel attacked), to telling her I love her (she already knows). I've been getting quite a bit of support from online friends (some members here as well as a couple other long time e-cquaintances), as well as my very small family. With my dad's passing only 3 months ago, we are all doing are best. I have been getting out of the house as much as I can... even if it's just walking around downtown. I'm trying not to stay home and sulking too much, but it's just so easy to do. Unfortunately my home renovation plans (apart from my HT, I have several other small things going) are all somewhat on pause. I'm still trying to figure out exactly what I want to do next. On a large scope right now... I'm looking to rebuild my confidence, and make a life of my own. It's not as easy as it sounds given my life has been so tightly wrapped around these two last women, that I honestly don't have much of one. I've done some soul searching, as well as online searching, and I'm thinking of joining a gym, for starters. I'm not in bad shape and I am within the "ideal" body mass for my height, but I've never been much of an athletic type. I'm thinking about improving my body shape for that added self-confidence push I need (and burn off some energy to boot). I don't know anything about how to meet my goal, so I'll have to rely on the centre's recommendations... but I do have a goal (maximize my muscle mass while maintaining the same weight). I read somewhere that it's good to publicly state it, as you're more apt to feel obligated to do it and continue it. Anyone who could give me an idea of how long it should take to have a "visible" change in muscle mass (upper body, chest abdomen)? I'm hoping to be able to put in a couple of hours three times a week... but i have to decide if i'm better with a place close to work versus one close to home. As for creating a life... I'm working on that to... got some plans in my head on how to make friends locally but I don't know how it will pan out. I'm just looking for people to share in the activities that I enjoy. ROb

Unfortunately... I'm not the one who should be hearing that. From what I can understand is the comfort and support two people can bring each other isn't as important as the excitement. Remember that isn't my opinion... but my interpretation of what they are feeling. Perhaps somewhere down the road, they will change their view as well... but it'll make no difference to me by then. Believe it or not... I went with her, as friends, at her request. Condition was we didn't talk about it at all, and no attempts at winning anyone back. It's much harder than it sounds, and as one friend told me... it takes balls. I pulled it off, even if it didn't change anything except earn myself some respect. Cuba, BTW, is great destination especially if you want to easily and safely mix with the locals in a "third world" country. It's honestly eating me alive. I can't get my mind off him, if she's announced the news, if they are hanging, and if she'll ever tell anyone the actual thing that made her decide to leave? I know I should think about myself, but my mind just keeps coming back to that. "At this time"... are the correct words... because I did find another one after my wife left. I just didn't expect the EXACTsame thing to happen again... Tom, do me the favour and take your bike out. I know you like riding... get back on even if you don't feel like it. You have to prove to yourself that you don't NEED anyone... Sounds weird coming from me? Well... experience and watching my mom pull through my dad's death a couple of months ago, has shown me that we have a lot of things to prove to ourselves and no one to push us. I went out today and bought myself tickets to go see Front Line Assembly next weekend... I really enjoy music concerts and it was an activity my girlfriend and I frequently did. I'm convinced I don't need anyone to keep enjoying it. I'm fu¢ked. No offence... but doesn't that show the opposite? I think we know you pretty well on here and I wasn't even sure if I should bring this up... but I don't think you'll take this the wrong way. I mean your wife had to live through a pretty dramatic experience to realise that nice guys are actually nice to be with? You did get her back and she realised how much you were offering her in the first place (I'm figuring you were a nice guy from the start, right?) As much as I love her, or perhaps because I love her... I honestly can't wish that kind of experience onto my gf in order to get her back. If she ever does realise it on her own.. it'll probably be too late. I think I do have an advantage that I don't actually look like mr nice guy... but once I'm in, I can help putting my women on pedestals. I'm fu¢ked. ROb

Finally got an email saying that it would ship directly from the manufacturer (actual date unknown)... but it did... arriving the 8th of June. I was out of town at that point, so i just picked it up. Looks nicely made... but haven't plugged it in yet. I'll keep you posted... but looks to be a real bargin. ROb

Sorry for not checking in this last week, but I was out of town. We had a planned vacation to Cuba before all this happened, and as difficult as it sounds... I went anyways. Sent you one too... Definitely understand where you are coming from. No "real" reasons here either... other than not as exciting as falling in love. When she was here... I never had enough time to half of what I wanted... but now I don't seem to "want" to do anything. I just built myself a great HT... and I only used it once before she left. Work is also becoming a problem. OTOH, I think it's all pretty normal... That's one thing I can promise you... things will eventually become stable again. You will once again enjoy the same things... and perhaps some new ones. Time does heal great wounds, but trip isn't always easy. Sorry to break this to you, but the key seems to be to love them a lot, and wish they don't. Seems to work everytime for me ... The jealousy is killing me right now... even though in my mind I realise that I honestly have more to offer than this other guy. I'm just not new. Like lovedrummin said, it's really a rollercoaster... ROb

Thanks for all your heart felt wishes... over the years on here, I can honestly say you guys (and girls) have become actual friends. In tough times, we lean on them...