Groomlakearea51 Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Here's the MILSAT photo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groomlakearea51 Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Best I can come up with from the Climate Prediction Center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groomlakearea51 Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 CPC is also predicting the south east coastal areas to be below average temperatures for the next few weeks. Well after living through the July-August Planet Mercury Simulation temps around here, I'll have no objections.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groomlakearea51 Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Still gonna be hot though.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groomlakearea51 Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Well.... Fred developed, and NHC seems to think that Fred will turn right away. But the tracks still are no as closely grouped as we would like. Here's Fred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groomlakearea51 Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Heres' the NHC discussion. WTNT42 KNHC 080841 TCDAT2 TROPICAL STORM FRED DISCUSSION NUMBER 3 NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL072009 500 AM AST TUE SEP 08 2009 FRED IS GRADUALLY BECOMING BETTER ORGANIZED IN SATELLITE IMAGES. THE STORM IS EXHIBITING A WELL-DEFINED CURVED BAND FEATURE WRAPPING AROUND A DEVELOPING CENTRAL DENSE OVERCAST. BASED ON THE BANDING...DVORAK DATA T-NUMBERS ARE AT LEAST 3.0. THE CURRENT INTENSITY ESTIMATE IS 45 KT FROM BOTH TAFB MIAMI AND SAB WASHINGTON...AND THE ADVISORY INTENSITY IS ALSO SET AT 45 KT. CIRRUS MOTIONS INDICATE STRONG UPPER-LEVEL OUTFLOW IN ALL QUADRANTS OF THE SYSTEM. VERTICAL SHEAR IS EXPECTED TO REMAIN WEAK FOR THE NEXT DAY OR TWO...SO ADDITIONAL INTENSIFICATION SEEMS LIKELY. GIVEN THE CURRENT ORGANIZATION AND FAVORABLE SHORT-TERM ENVIRONMENT...FRED CERTAINLY HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BECOME A HURRICANE WITHIN THE NEXT 36 HOURS. THE OFFICIAL INTENSITY FORECAST IS QUITE CLOSE TO THE SHIPS AND LGEM GUIDANCE THROUGH DAY 3. BEYOND THAT TIME... A LARGE UPPER-TROPOSPHERIC TROUGH OVER THE CENTRAL ATLANTIC SHOULD PRODUCE INCREASING SOUTHWESTERLY SHEAR OVER FRED. THAT...ALONG WITH A SLIGHTLY COOLER OCEAN...WILL PROBABLY INDUCE WEAKENING. THE OFFICIAL FORECAST FOR DAYS 4 AND 5 DOES NOT WEAKEN THE CYCLONE QUITE AS FAST AS INDICATED BY SOME OF THE GUIDANCE. LATEST CENTER FIXES INDICATE A CONTINUED WESTWARD MOTION AT AROUND 275/13. THE NARROW MID-TROPOSPHERIC RIDGE CURRENTLY TO THE NORTH OF FRED IS FORECAST BY THE GLOBAL MODELS TO BECOME ERODED OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS BY A MID-TO UPPER-LEVEL LOW CURRENTLY SEEN IN WATER VAPOR IMAGES NEAR 28N AND 40W. THIS EVOLUTION SHOULD CAUSE FRED TO GRADUALLY TURN NORTHWESTWARD AND NORTHWARD OVER THE EASTERN ATLANTIC. NEAR THE END OF THE FORECAST PERIOD... THE GLOBAL MODELS SHOW WEAK RIDGING DEVLOPING AGAIN TO THE NORTH OF THE TROPICAL CYCLONE. IN RESPONSE TO THIS...SOME OF THE TRACK MODELS TURN THE SYSTEM TOWARD THE NORTHWEST BY DAY 5 WITH A VERY SLOW FORWARD SPEED. THE OFFICIAL FORECAST SHOWS A SLOWING OF THE FORWARD SPEED THROUGH THE PERIOD AND HINTS AT A SLIGHT TURN TO THE LEFT AT 96-120 HOURS. THE GFDL AND HWRF MODELS TAKE FRED MUCH FARTHER NORTH IN 5 DAYS...BUT ARE BEING TREATED AS OUTLIERS FOR THE TIME BEING. FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS INITIAL 08/0900Z 11.8N 27.3W 45 KT 12HR VT 08/1800Z 12.1N 29.0W 55 KT 24HR VT 09/0600Z 13.0N 30.9W 60 KT 36HR VT 09/1800Z 13.9N 32.5W 65 KT 48HR VT 10/0600Z 15.1N 33.5W 65 KT 72HR VT 11/0600Z 17.5N 34.0W 60 KT 96HR VT 12/0600Z 19.0N 34.0W 55 KT 120HR VT 13/0600Z 20.5N 34.5W 55 KT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groomlakearea51 Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Here's Fred's track plots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groomlakearea51 Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Fred's MIL TRACK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groomlakearea51 Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 and Freddy's graduation picture..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groomlakearea51 Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Meanwhile Freddy's ramping up for a semi-violent, if but short lived life that will fade into an aquatic insignificance in the vast expanse of the cold cruel high seas..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groomlakearea51 Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 The techical description as to Freddy's impdening demise.... WTNT42 KNHC 090835 TCDAT2 HURRICANE FRED DISCUSSION NUMBER 7 NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL072009 500 AM AST WED SEP 09 2009 ENHANCED INFRARED SATELLITE IMAGES INDICATE THAT FRED HAS UNDERGONE RAPID INTENSIFICATION. THE EYE IS NOW EMBEDDED WITHIN CLOUD TOPS OF -55 DEG C OR COLDER...AND THE DATA T-NUMBER IS AT LEAST 5.0. THIS CORRESPONDS TO A CONSERVATIVE CURRENT INTENSITY ESTIMATE OF 90 KT. THE UPPER-LEVEL OUTFLOW IS WELL-DEFINED...ESPECIALLY OVER THE NORTHERN AND WESTERN PORTIONS OF THE CIRCULATION. FRED IS EXPECTED TO REMAIN IN A LOW-SHEAR ENVIRONMENT FOR THE NEXT 24 HOURS...SO SOME ADDITIONAL STRENGTHENING IS LIKELY TODAY. IN ABOUT 36 HOURS OR SO...THE GLOBAL MODELS SHOW THAT THE HURRICANE WILL BE MOVING INTO INCREASING SOUTH-SOUTHWESTERLY SHEAR ASSOCIATED WITH A LARGE UPPER-TROPOSPHERIC TROUGH OVER THE CENTRAL ATLANTIC. OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS...FRED WILL ALSO BE MOVING OVER SLIGHTLY COOLER SEA SURFACE TEMPERATURES AND INTO A DRIER MID-LEVEL AIRMASS. THIS COMBINATION OF ENVIRONMENTAL CHANGES SHOULD BRING ABOUT WEAKENING...AND OFFICIAL FORECAST SHOWS A WEAKENING TREND COMMENCING AFTER 24 HOURS. THIS IS FAIRLY CLOSE TO THE LATEST SHIPS GUIDANCE. THE GFDL AND HWRF MODELS...WHICH SEEM TO BE LESS SENSITIVE TO INCREASED SHEAR...DO NOT WEAKEN FRED NEARLY AS MUCH AS THE STATISTICAL/DYNAMICAL GUIDANCE AT DAYS 4 AND 5. THE MOTION HAS BEEN BENDING GRADUALLY TO THE RIGHT AND IS NOW ABOUT 300/11. THE MID-LEVEL RIDGE TO THE NORTH OF THE HURRICANE HAS BEEN WEAKENING AS A MID- TO UPPER-LEVEL TROUGH APPROACHES 35W NORTH OF 20N. DURING THE NEXT 72 HOURS...FRED IS FORECAST TO TURN NORTHWARD INTO THE WEAKNESS CAUSED BY THE TROUGH AND TO DECELERATE AS THE STEERING FLOW BECOMES VERY WEAK. LATER IN THE PERIOD...THE DYNAMICAL GUIDANCE SHOWS A WEAK MID-TROPOSPHERIC RIDGE BUILDING TO THE NORTH AND NORTHEAST OF FRED AND THIS COULD EVENTUALLY BLOCK THE NORTHWARD MOTION OF THE SYSTEM. THE OFFICIAL FORECAST IS ONLY SLIGHTLY TO THE WEST OF THE PREVIOUS ONE AND NOT QUITE AS FAST AS THE MODEL CONSENSUS. THE GFDL AND HWRF TAKE FRED FARTHER NORTH THAN MOST OF THE OTHER MODELS...PROBABLY BECAUSE THEY KEEP FRED AS A DEEP CYCLONE FOR TOO LONG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groomlakearea51 Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 MIL track Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groomlakearea51 Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Freddy's picture this morning. Very nice circulation, well defined eye, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groomlakearea51 Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Freddy's turned into a major (CAT-3) hurricane and could actually get stronger according to NHC. WTNT42 KNHC 091442 TCDAT2 HURRICANE FRED DISCUSSION NUMBER 8 NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL072009 1100 AM AST WED SEP 09 2009 FRED HAS CONTINUED TO RAPIDLY INTENSIFY THIS MORNING AND IS NOW A MAJOR HURRICANE. SATELLITE IMAGES SHOW THAT THE EYE HAS BECOME DISTINCT ON BOTH VISIBLE AND INFRARED CHANNELS AND REMAINS EMBEDDED WITHIN A COLD CENTRAL DENSE OVERCAST. THE LATEST DVORAK ESTIMATES FROM TAFB/SAB ARE 102 KT...WITH OBJECTIVE T-NUMBERS NEAR 115 KT. THE INITIAL INTENSITY IS RAISED TO 105 KT...MAKING FRED THE SECOND MAJOR HURRICANE OF THE SEASON. ADDITIONAL STRENGTHENING IS POSSIBLE TODAY BEFORE INCREASING SHEAR AND SLIGHTLY COOLER WATERS CAUSE FRED TO WEAKEN TOMORROW. THEREAFTER...THE HURRICANE WILL BE MOVING OVER MARGINAL SSTS COOLER AND INTO A DRIER MID-LEVEL AIRMASS...WHICH SHOULD ENHANCE THE WEAKENING EFFECTS OF THE EXPECTED STRONG SHEAR. THE LATEST NHC FORECAST IS CLOSE TO A BLEND OF THE SHIPS MODEL AND THE PREVIOUS FORECAST. THE GFDL AND HWRF MODELS...WHICH APPEAR TO BE LESS SENSITIVE TO INCREASED SHEAR...DO NOT WEAKEN FRED NEARLY AS MUCH AS THE OFFICIAL FORECAST AT DAYS 4 AND 5. THE MOTION CONTINUES TO BEND GRADUALLY TO THE RIGHT AND IS NOW ABOUT 305/11. THERE IS NO CHANGE TO THE FORECAST REASONING AS MOST GUIDANCE IS WELL-CLUSTERED ON A GRADUAL TURN TOWARD THE NORTH AND NORTHEAST DUE TO A MID- TO UPPER-LEVEL TROUGH OVER THE CENTRAL ATLANTIC. IN ABOUT 48 HOURS...ALL GUIDANCE SIGNIFICANTLY DECELERATES FRED AS THE HURRICANE BECOMES CAUGHT IN LIGHT STEERING CURRENTS. MOST OF THE GLOBAL MODELS REBUILD THE RIDGE TO THE NORTH OF FRED BY THE END OF FORECAST PERIOD...WHICH WOULD CAUSE THE CYCLONE TO MOVE MORE TO THE NORTHWEST. THE OFFICIAL FORECAST IS SLIGHTLY EAST OF THE MODEL CONSENSUS INITIALLY...THEN ENDS UP SOMEWHAT TO THE WEST IN THE ANTICIPATION THAT A WEAKER SYSTEM WOULD TAKE A MORE WESTWARD PATH. THE TWO BIGGEST OUTLIERS TO THIS FORECAST ARE THE GFDL AND HWRF...WHICH TAKE FRED FARTHER NORTH THAN MOST OF THE OTHER MODELS...PROBABLY BECAUSE THEY KEEP IT AS A DEEP CYCLONE FOR TOO LONG.IT IS QUITE UNUSUAL TO HAVE SUCH A POWERFUL SYSTEM SO FAR EAST IN THE BASIN AND FRED IS ONLY THE THIRD MAJOR HURRICANE NOTED EAST OF 35W IN THE TROPICAL ATLANTIC OCEAN...AND THE STRONGEST HURRICANE SO FAR SOUTH AND EAST IN OUR DATA RECORD. THIS TYPE OF SYSTEM... HOWEVER...WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY DIFFICULT TO ACCURATELY OBSERVE BEFORE SATELLITE PICTURES BEGAN IN THE 1960S. FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS INITIAL 09/1500Z 13.9N 32.4W 105 KT 12HR VT 10/0000Z 14.9N 33.5W 110 KT 24HR VT 10/1200Z 16.2N 34.3W 105 KT 36HR VT 11/0000Z 17.2N 34.7W 90 KT 48HR VT 11/1200Z 17.7N 34.6W 80 KT 72HR VT 12/1200Z 18.7N 34.0W 60 KT 96HR VT 13/1200Z 20.5N 34.2W 45 KT 120HR VT 14/1200Z 23.5N 36.0W 30 KT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groomlakearea51 Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 The track plots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. RF62 Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Is that an abnormal track plot Groomy??? It just seems weird, I know these things are unpredictable but I guess they travel up that way sometimes?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groomlakearea51 Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Unusual in that the steering winds associated with the "Bermuda High" (region of high pressure in the North Atlantic due to generally colder temperatures) extends further to the south. This causes the "turn to the north" to occur much sooner. In the case of 2005 with katrina, et.al., the high pressure systems and the steering currents pushed them along the inter-tropical-convergence zone (ITCZ) until they found a low pressure ridge to run along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.reed21 Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 It has come to my attention that the Euopean track plots always send the hurricanes crashing in to the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groomlakearea51 Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 You have learned well my appentice! The dark side of meteorology has been exposed!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groomlakearea51 Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Actually the worst offender is UKMET because it relies on a particular model which gives more weight to the extraploation plots.... which always point towards south Florida at some point..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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