o0O Bill O0o Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 Okay, this should be fun. First I elected NOT to include Klipsch's own Subwoofers on the gounds that nothing BUT the P-312W ($4,000) is truly the the competition to those below. RT-12d and 10d just are not as powerful, still rock, just not top tier. AND as of now I did not find any reviews of it, therefore I have nothing but the product page to go by. Nor have I heard one. Look at the pictures, skip to Part II if you don't have the time.. and then come back and read all.. Today's audio market is full of excellent compitition as now technology is allowing the end user to calibrate the sound to reproduce the most accurate signal through all the gee-wizz tech of DSP (digital signal proccessing) and calibrated microphones. One simply buys the the sub, un packs it, wrestles it into position, plug it in, hits calibrate with the supplied mic, and you are ready for Bluy, PS3, music, etc.. With out messing around with an EQ (equalizer) or worrying that you put it the wrong spot, because stuff vibrates or booms at random frequencies.. ( I'll add you can really do much about sympathic resonace, i.e. picture fram rattle, other than dampen it) What I am saying is, the modern sub truely integrates itself into any home audio/theater system. I never knew what "brick and mortar" shops where untill I read abit about today's Audio market. There are two types, internet direct (ID) and Store/boutique bought (..Brick and Mortar..) The contention is that ID can sell you less expensive gear because they cut out the middle man of B&M shops. The draw-back is that you cannot hear these subwoofers and have to rely and trust in the mryaid of audio/hometheater forums, "gorrilla advertising" and end-user feedback.. add in that you never really can trust the internet. and what do you do for warranty claims? Turns out some of them are reputable and will rush replacements to your doorstep and solve all your worries.. What is even better is the stalwart audio magazines are reviewing them and giving them the thumbs up. Still, the lack of acually hearing them really is the main point.. side note: I never would have wanted a corvette untill I actually drove one, and holy cow that car is really amazing, and now I am telling myself I will own one some day .. That being said, here is my list of contenders. JL Audio F113http://home.jlaudio.com/products_subs.php?prod_id=371 Reviews:http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/subwoofers-products-menu-column1-41/387-a-secrets-subwoofer-review.htmlhttp://www.stereophile.com/subwoofers/907jl/http://www.ultimateavmag.com/subwoofers/807jlsub/ $3,700 Velodyne DD-18http://www.velodyne.com/products/product.aspx?ID=4&sid=236e267x Reviewshttp://www.stereophile.com/subwoofers/604velodyne/index.htmlhttp://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_10_4/velodyne-dd-18-subwoofer-12-2003-part-1.html $5,000 (MSRP) can be found for MUCH less or USED Paradigm Reference Signature SUB 25 http://www.paradigm.com/en/reference/subwoofer-signature-signaturesub25-model-5-17-4-20.paradigm Reviews:http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/subwoofers-products-menu-column1-41/659-paradigm-reference-sub-25-powered-subwoofer-and-perfect-bass-kit-pbk-1-.htmlhttp://www.paradigm.com/en/pdf/reviews/subwoofers/signaturesub25_review_292.pdf MSRP: $3,999 USA Perfect Bass Kit (PBK-1) Room EQ Software MSRP: $299 USA $4,300 SVS-PC13 Ultrahttp://www.svsound.com/products-sub-cyl-pcultra_new.cfm Reviews:http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/subwoofers-products-menu-column1-41/215-a-secrets-subwoofer-review.htmlhttp://www.svsound.com/news-reviews-schwartz.cfm $1399 (I'd get two, so $2799) and Velodyne SMS-1 room correcting EQ ($399) $3200.. Okay so you saw the prices and you aready think I am more insane that I was before you started reading this email. Well, that's MSRP. You see the B&M retailers always cut you a deal. Even just looking on Ebay and Audiogon.com I found all of these subs for under $2500.. which is still outrageous. Put price aside, because I have learned that I'll pay anything if I know that I really want it. Look at the values of what each one has... or don't and I will tell you what they are.. Part II JL F113 smallest sub, plenty of bass. Velodyne, suposed the king of the hill since 2004, not huge but still big, super hi-tech, plenty of bass. Paradigm Sub 25 is Paradigms andswer to the JL Audio F113 and Velodyne DD-18, has the most power, best looks, and claims 9hz (really low) response, and plenty of bass. SVS PC-13ultra is the ID answer to all of these longstanding leaders in sub tech, not very high tech, largest of the group, however extremely (relatively) afordable, and has plenty of bass. These all have plenty of bass, and the ability to have room corrected values applied to the signal. What needs to be done now is find dealers to audition. but go ahead search the forums and the interweb and see if you can come up with anything.. Thanks, Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oblio Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 Bill, you might want to check out the Danley DTS-10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o0O Bill O0o Posted December 1, 2009 Author Share Posted December 1, 2009 Okay I will have a look. Also, I just realized that there is a subwoofer sub forum, could a moderator please move this thread, my fault. _Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 What about the Seaton Sound SubMersive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o0O Bill O0o Posted December 1, 2009 Author Share Posted December 1, 2009 I have read several posts on all the forums about Submersive. Unless Seaton Sound is at the level of SVS, HSU, and Outlaw Audio in terms of customer support and quality refinement then I won't take the risk. There is a reason that Paradigm and JL Audio go thru such great lenths to create what they've got. They use engineers, test facilities, and stratigic risk in their product development. They all have built in room correction and all the work is handled by the electronics that they worked so hard to produce. Honestly, do you think getting a Radioshack SPL meter, a BFD, Room EQ wizard, and all the associated interconnects will get you the same or better results than what most Subwoofer Companies produce? The Klipsch RT-12d, a compact, and good as it is, subwoofer, it's still bested by the JL Audio F112. Idealy, I want Klipsch to do one of two things build a massive horn-loaded subwoofer, like their Cinema Subs.. hey wait.. :-D or make an answer to JL, Velodyne, SVS, and Paradigm and slot the sub between the the P-312w and the RT-12d. Other comments: Tweak the Klipsch room EQ software so it looks better, Make a series design to support the Heritage Theme, and use sealed 15-18" Large Displacement (Xmax) woofers... -Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coytee Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 Just having some fun... there are other Klipsch subs you can look at, especially if you want to use them as the cornerstone of your foundation (of your home, not HT system []) http://www.klipsch.com/na-en/products/kpt-684-overview/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o0O Bill O0o Posted December 1, 2009 Author Share Posted December 1, 2009 HAHA! Yeah, I went right to the cinema section after I posted. I also admittinley own a pro-sound sub, it's a Cerwin Vega, AB-36C "Earthquake" Horn Loaded sub.. look it up @ www.cerwinvega.com. For music and for the most part.. movies, it will pressurize the room fairly well. It just doesn't get deep. It's also the size of a mini fridge and I just don't like it in my living room, and I'd really want a pair, it's just that I'm running out of space. -Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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