tripod Posted August 5, 2002 Share Posted August 5, 2002 When I set up my system a couple of years ago I used several extra feet for each run of speaker wire. I figured that would allow me some flexibility in speaker placement in the future. Each run has no more than 5 extra feet of wire. My question is this. How significant of an effect does that extra length have on perceptible performance? It is 16 gauge Monster wire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike82 Posted August 5, 2002 Share Posted August 5, 2002 What is the total length of the wire? ------------------ Transport: CEC TL-2X DAC: Audiomat Maestro Pre-amp: Wyetech Jade Amps: Jeff Korneff 45 Interconects: Analysis Plus Solo Monocrystal Speaker cable: Analysis Plus Solo Monocrystal Power cords: CPCC Top Gun and Model 11 Line conditioner: CPCC Super Power Block Equip Stand: Grand Prix Audio Monaco Belle Klipsch, K-horns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tripod Posted August 5, 2002 Author Share Posted August 5, 2002 The fronts and center are each 10 feet. The surrounds are 20 or 25, I don't remember which. Whichever it is, only 5 feet of it are extra, the rest is necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike82 Posted August 5, 2002 Share Posted August 5, 2002 You're OK on the front, but I'd probably use at least a 12 ga for the 20-25' runs, but you won't have any problems with the 16 ga. A lot would depend on whether the sound you're getting from the surrounds is to your liking. ------------------ Transport: CEC TL-2X DAC: Audiomat Maestro Pre-amp: Wyetech Jade Amps: Jeff Korneff 45 Interconects: Analysis Plus Solo Monocrystal Speaker cable: Analysis Plus Solo Monocrystal Power cords: CPCC Top Gun and Model 11 Line conditioner: CPCC Super Power Block Equip Stand: Grand Prix Audio Monaco Belle Klipsch, K-horns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShapeShifter Posted August 5, 2002 Share Posted August 5, 2002 I never use anything smaller than 13AWG. However the 12AWG referenced is certainly within the acceptable AWG vs. length formula. Equal lengths and lay any excess in a serpentine stack not bundled or knotted. Wes ------------------ KLIPSCH IS MUSICf> My Systems f>s>c> This message has been edited by ShapeShifter on 08-05-2002 at 12:59 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougdrake Posted August 5, 2002 Share Posted August 5, 2002 "Equal lengths and lay any excess in a serpentine stack not bundled or knotted." ...and also not coiled (or is that what serpentine means? ) Doug ------------------ My System This message has been edited by dougdrake on 08-05-2002 at 01:44 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShapeShifter Posted August 5, 2002 Share Posted August 5, 2002 quote: Originally posted by dougdrake: ...and also not coiled (or is that what serpentine means? ) Doug Hey Doug, Forgot you folks out West like the coiled term, as you're more familar that one due to the Diamond Back's striking pose. Lay it Back and forth..back and forth...gently now! Wes ------------------ KLIPSCH IS MUSICf> My Systems f>s>c> This message has been edited by ShapeShifter on 08-05-2002 at 01:58 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tripod Posted August 5, 2002 Author Share Posted August 5, 2002 My current storage technique would probably send you guys into convulsions. A nervous tic at the very least. All of the excess is located behind my entertainment system and highly resembles Medusa's head (to stick with the reptilian theme). It's a big tangled mess. Is there really a problem with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougdrake Posted August 5, 2002 Share Posted August 5, 2002 Tripod - I think (and I believe SS would agree) that, as long as it is not a tightly wadded or knotted mess, but more of a flowing, resilient mess; the Medusa-method will be fine, as long as power cords are not a part of the mess. Mine approaches Medusa-like qualities the closer I get to the amp... Doug ------------------ My System This message has been edited by dougdrake on 08-06-2002 at 02:28 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShapeShifter Posted August 5, 2002 Share Posted August 5, 2002 Yep, do agree with Doug. Also recommended to avoid having interconnects & wires running parallel with power cords. That is very difficult to do for most of our HT set-ups, given the number of speakers, DVD/CD players and external amps that require connections of some sort. Good luck with your cable management efforts. Wes ------------------ KLIPSCH IS MUSICf> My Systems f>s>c> This message has been edited by ShapeShifter on 08-05-2002 at 09:42 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cluless Posted August 6, 2002 Share Posted August 6, 2002 I guess I should go home and separate my "flowing, resiliant (but not knotted) Medusa pile " into two piles? My favorite organizational technique - the piling system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornEd Posted August 6, 2002 Share Posted August 6, 2002 Ah, but remember, fair cluless, that in some boy's games piling on gets a penalty! Try to keep your power cords away from speaker wire... and way away from interconnects! -HornED PS: It seems I caught a virus in my primary PC (Dell 8100, P4, Win2k Pro, 512MB mem, 60GB hard disk) which ate my Norton anti-virus and significant holes in my OS. All the hardware checks out okay... but I get a "Stop error" on boot up. Through a little "jiggery-pokery" I can get to a DOS prompt. Until I attempted to replace the Win2k with a fresh copy, at least I could access the drives. I would like to be able to save data to a CD... I have many GB's of photos I would not like to lose. Any suggestions? The Dell tech suggestion was bite the hollow-point and reformat! For the moment, I can only be reached on email at my backup location: eddennis@rcn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cluless Posted August 6, 2002 Share Posted August 6, 2002 Piling - Luckily us girls don't have such rules. Cratered Computer - Software Approach - Go buy some "Disk Doctor" software that runs off media. Might work/might not. Hardware Approach - Go buy a cheap hard drive. Make it your primary drive, and make your old drive your secondary. Load your O/S, virus detect stuff, and CD-burner software onto the new drive, then save the stuff from the bad drive to CD. Might work/might not. Combination of both might/might not work also. That's my complete list of suggestions. Ooops I left out my favorite. Cry - won't work. This message has been edited by cluless on 08-06-2002 at 03:01 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougdrake Posted August 6, 2002 Share Posted August 6, 2002 C - "Might/Might not work" is one of two handy phrases that no self-respecting computer whiz would be caught dead without. The other is "it depends." Doug ------------------ My System Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cluless Posted August 6, 2002 Share Posted August 6, 2002 Doug LOL - Were you hovering outside my office today when this discussion came up? And I am serious Me - I can't belive that this guy came up and asked me ...... My Buddy - Don't you know that you are supposed to answer with another question ..... Me - **** I forgot that rule...what do I do now... My Buddy - Tell him ....it depends... (No one jump my stuff here...this was not a customer service deal here - It was a Nimrod type thing) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpg Posted August 6, 2002 Share Posted August 6, 2002 HornEd, Are you certain it was a virus? If so, do you know which one? For most virus cleaning things where you don't know what virus it is, the recommendation is to reformat. Try going into safe mode and see if you can determine what virus it is by scanning with a virus scanner. I have not sued Win2K while doing this, but I have done 98. In 98, you cannot use drives in safe mode, which sucks a WHOLE LOT, in case you wondered. You can't use any hardware, come to think of it... try booting with safe mode and harware support. Win2K might have something like that. Then reload your virus scanner if you are able to and scan. Delete anything that appears to be a virus as detected by it. You could buy another HDd like clu said, but if the other drive has an error, I would NOT hook both up at once. Chances are, the virus can probably spread itself, though I could be wrong. ------------------ SoundWise / ProMedia Tech Support / 1-888-554-5665s> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougdrake Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 Cluless - No gravity-defying feats here on my part! I just remember that being taught by an instructor in one of my Cisco certification classes... Doug ------------------ My System Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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