Zannekin Posted November 28, 2002 Share Posted November 28, 2002 Hello, I am french and new on this forum. I would like to know, where i can buy the speakers of the La Scala. Ref: K-33E; K55M and K77F If anyone knows the prices in USA? or else where? Can we found the Horns To? Thank's for all Zannekin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted November 28, 2002 Share Posted November 28, 2002 Other than Klipsch , the most reliable place to get horns ans drivers is ebay.com. There are several sets of horns and drivers for sale there now. The K-400/K-401 horn will be the most difficult to get. An altec 511B has a larger mouth but makes a good substitute. Some say better. The driver sets you want will be: K-33-E/K-55-V or K-55-M/K-77 or K-77-M. I doubt you will want the latest K-77-F, unless you can match it to the latest K-55-X squawker and correct crossover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zannekin Posted November 28, 2002 Author Share Posted November 28, 2002 Sorry but perhaps i dont all understand!!!! What is the best association? In France the La Scala is deal whith these 3 Speakers. Thank's Zannekin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDBRbuilder Posted November 28, 2002 Share Posted November 28, 2002 the three speakers you mention are the ones currently in use...many PREFER the older drivers and horn lenses...the ones mentioned above...and they are more plentiful on the used market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted November 28, 2002 Share Posted November 28, 2002 Maybe one day I can learn French. It would help reading about Le Tour. It sounds like you may want to build a set of La Scala cabinets yourself. Beware of the German plans, they have some wrong dimensions. We all have our prefered combinations. Mine is K-33-E, K-55-V (AlNiCo) on K-400, and K-77-M used with a Type AA crossover. This was the typical configuration from about 1965 or so to 1981 (at least for the K-55-V). The K-77-M was standard from sometime in the late 70s to 2000. Q-man prefers K-33-E, K-55-M (ferrite "Mud") and K-77-M with a Type AL-3 crossover. This was the configuration for 1982 to 2000 with a change to the K-401 around 1990(?). The 2002 configuration is K-33-E, K-55-X (modern K-55-V) on K-401, and K-77-F (modern K-77-M). The K-55-X and K-77-F have about 1.5 dB less output than the older versions and require a different crossover. Klipsch is the only source for the newest drivers and I doubt that Klipsch will sell them since they are all needed for current production. Look at this ebay search for the parts you want. http://cq-search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&query=klipsch*+-2.1+-4.1+-5.1&ht=1&itemtimedisp=0&st=2&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&BasicSearch=++ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zannekin Posted November 29, 2002 Author Share Posted November 29, 2002 Hey! Where can we found good Plans? If i have undrestood!!! it's difficult to found new speakers??? Frenchs dealers don't want to sell them to, but i can buy 2 La Scala for 2250$. Is it cheap or expensive? New it's 4930$ When i see the prices on Ebay for the speakers, i think that's expensive? Thank's for your aid, Zan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zannekin Posted November 29, 2002 Author Share Posted November 29, 2002 I may be stupid, but I can lift heavy things! (And when building LaScalas pretty much with little or no help, you gets lots of chances to lift heavy things!!) What do you mean when you say that, i don't understand, sorry!!!! Thank's, Zan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDBRbuilder Posted November 29, 2002 Share Posted November 29, 2002 John...check out what you wrote as YOUR tweeter choice...LOL!...and the years it was standard, again! Zan....Comment allez-vous, mes ami? The sentence you refer to about the LaScala is my "signature line." It is a joke, but difficult to explain. In France, $2,000 is a good price for a pair of LaScala speakers in good condition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vwittke Posted December 3, 2002 Share Posted December 3, 2002 Hello John, "Beware of the German Plans" : I am just cutting the parts for my DIY-LaScalas and I had to use these plans (converted to 18mm board). From an older thread I learned that there are incorrect mounting dimensions of the mid and high horns (no problem), but are there more severe problems like perhaps wrong back chamber volume, incorrect woofer slot or horn geometry that will spoil the function of the bass horn ? Are there perhaps some important parts missing in the plans ? Thanks for any information, Volker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDBRbuilder Posted December 3, 2002 Share Posted December 3, 2002 Volker, On the German plans, there definitely ARE errors. For example, the depth dimension between the woofer motorboard and the rear panel is 3 inches. Also the slot for the throat on the motorboard panel is 3 inches wide. The angles for the miter cuts on the two pieces that assemble up to become one of the two wings between the motorboard and the cabinet rear panel are also in error. The ends of these pieces, where they are joined together are CORRECTLY mitered at 30 degrees, with the ends that are attached to the upper and lower panels of the bass bin being mitered at 60 degrees, and the CORRECT fitting of these parts requires that they also be longer in length than the dimensions given in the German plans. Also on the factory version, there is no angled piece added to the rear vertical inside corners of the bass bin. These are just a few of the incorrect dimensions given in the German plans. The size of the tweeter/midhorn motorboard is also incorrect, as are the dimensions for location of the openings for the horn lenses on it. There are also other dimensional errors in the German plans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirk Posted December 3, 2002 Share Posted December 3, 2002 I have a set of plans that MAY be more accurate. I found them at the following URL: www.geocities.com/loudspeakerguru/LaScala.jpg. These plans show the width of the motorboard slot and the motorboard to rear panel distance to be 3", as HBDRbuilder indicates to be correct. It also does not have the angled panels that he was talking about in the rear corners of the enclosure. It does, however, incorrectly show the miter cuts on the motor board wings to be 27 and 63 degrees, versus the correct 30 and 60 degrees. I have NOT made a set of cabinets from these prints, so use them cautiously - no telling what is wrong or right. These prints are also in German (I think). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDBRbuilder Posted December 3, 2002 Share Posted December 3, 2002 The wings, when assembled to the doghouse, should have their mitered joints (the points) about 3/16" above and below the bottom edge of the motorboard. The point where the other mitered edges of the wings ajoin the bass bin upper and lower panels should be about the same distance in from the left and right doghouse edge assembly(meaning from OUTER rear side edges of the side panels that are attached to the motorboard). The motor board slot is approximately 3" wide by 13" tall. There is no way that the 23degree/67 degree miters of the wing parts can accomplish BOTH of these requirements, therefore one must use the 30 degree/60 degree miters to make things work out correctly...besides, the rest of the horn flare rate is also based on these measurements! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMcD Posted December 3, 2002 Share Posted December 3, 2002 I speak from some experience in building bass horns. In my experience there are two different issues. 1) The perfomance is not going to be changed if you are off by a centimeter or even more in any given dimension. Therefore it is not necessary to build exactly to a given set of plans. Naturally it would be good to recreate a known design in general dimensions. But that is all. 2) It is very important to have all the pieces cut so they go together correctly without gaps. The 2) is much easier to do if you, yourself, make a set of full size drawings describing what you intend to build, showing every piece. The "views" should be isometric types showing the layout viewed from the (a) top, ( front, and © side. That way you will be able to measure the angles and dimensions. Also, when you cut the wood, you can compare them to your drawing. The best paper to use is drafting paper with a grid on it. If you have a drafting table and a T-square, you should be able to do this with ordinary paper. Gil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmmichelson Posted December 3, 2002 Share Posted December 3, 2002 ebay Item # 1942140880 Item:KLIPSCH K-55-V MID RANGE HORNS DRIVERS Nice!! eBay.ca Item # 1942141158 Item:KLIPSCH K-77 HORNS TWEETERS ELECTRO VOICE T35 eBay.ca Item # 1942141255 Item:KLIPSCH K-22 12" WOOFERS SPEAKERS HERESY Nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vwittke Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 Many thanks to everybody for helpfull response! I have cut the parts for the doghouses according to the plans Akirk mentioned, used 30/60 deg for the wings and everything went together correctly. Has anyone tried EV SM120/1823/DH1506 as midrange for LS? Good Greetings, Volker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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