Parrot Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 HDBRbuilder, I know you've answered this in the past, but we all know the difficulty of digging up just the right posts with the search function. Would you mind posting again how many hours it took to build the various Heritage models at Hope? And not to flatter you, but your posts are a treasure of information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98_1LE Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 ---------------- On 1/6/2004 7:05:38 PM paulparrot wrote: And not to flatter you, but your posts are a treasure of information. I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Mobley Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 OOOooooh, a Sun guy. You have a day job working with Sun stuff? I'm an admin working for IBM at the AXP data center in Phx. Current load is about 2500 Sun boxes, some AIX and a few Linux along with 2000 or so CPQ/NT machines. Keeps us real busy. What are you doing? Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98_1LE Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 I don't have that near many machines, but I am basically a Solaris admin. My main responsibilities are storage (HDS 9980/Brocade 12K), Veritas (NBU, vxvm ,vxfs, vcs, etc), Remedy, Weblogic, Oracle (not a real dba yet, but getting close), and several telco/wireless specific applications. I administrate a bunch of dev servers. I am also team lead of my group of 4. We have <200 servers, all Sun, ranging from Netra T1's to 6800's. Several years ago I worked at a tool design company administrating CAD apps on AIX and Solaris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMcD Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 I recall reading that it takes two men a whole day to build a K-Horn. I guess that means one rather than a pair of K-Horns. If you look under Odds and Mods for "Just another Day" you can see the jig they use for putting together the Heresy II. That must go fairly quickly. Gil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDBRbuilder Posted January 11, 2004 Share Posted January 11, 2004 Sorry, guys...I had no idea this thread was aimed at me...I just now opened it! The answer to this question is not so easy....but I can cover it within its parameters. Klipschorn: This speaker's cabinet assembly takes one man, with occassional help, about a day and a half or so to assemble, providing everything runs smoothly. Keep in mind that all parts are already cut and , if need be, routed; and that certain sub-assemblies (such as the upper and lower "wing" assemblies) are already completed before the builder begins the process. Belle Klipsch: The assembly of this cabinet was almost exclusively done by the builder, including any sub-assemblies. Lots of alignment markings and such involved, including a good number of glue block installations not necessary for the LaScala build. With parts assembled and ready for a builder, it took about a day and a half or so for a builder to do ONE when I worked there. LaScala: A really good builder COULD build about five of these a day, IF everything ran smoothly...this includes building up three doghouse sub-assemblies in the last hour and a half, or so, of the day for the next day's production...average number built was more like 3-1/2 a day. Cornwall, mitered models: A good builder with a helper(normally used on these) could build one cabinet in about ten minutes...this does not include preparation time. Seldom did it take an entire day to build up the mitered Cornwalls required for a week's worth of orders when I worked there, though. Cornwalls, birch models, flush-front decorator: One builder could build one of these in about 10-12 minutes...providing everything was prepped and ran smoothly. Normally a builder and a helper were used, though Cornwalls, birch, drop-in front decorator models: Builder and helper normally used...about one cabinet every 7-8 minutes or so, if everything ran smoothly and not including prep-time, etc. Heresys, mitered, chain w/clamp build: Normally one builder used. Everything running smoothly and not including prep time, about 7-10 minutes each. Heresys, mitered, pneumatic assembly jig: Normally one builder used, about 5-6 minutes each, not including prep time and provided everything went smoothly. Heresys, birch decorator, flush front style cabinet: normally one builder used. Provided everything ran smoothly, about one every 3-5 minutes, not including prep time. Heresy, birch decorator, drop-in front style cabinet: One builder, about one every 3-5 minutes, provided everything went smoothly and not including prep time...Often the builder had a helper to install the rear glue blocks, caulk them up, and then install the drop-in front. When Heritage speakers were the only home speakers Klipsch made, the Heresy was the bread and butter speaker, profit-wise...especially the decorator versions! The Klipschorn made Klipsch famous, but the Heresy, with its ease of assembly, low cabinet material costs, and HUGE numbers of sales, etc...made the company GROW! Not bragging, but I normally built at least 200 birch Heresys in a full day...SOLO!...and quite often built far more than that. With a good helper, that number regularly exceeded 400 in a day! I often thought that one of the reasons I remained primarily a Heresy and Cornwall builder was because it may have been difficult to replace me, and move me over to K-horns or whatever as my regular duties...it was imperative that the numbers of Heresys needed were built as inexpensively as possible, since it was by far the major seller of the line and its profit-margin was needed to help the company continue to grow and expand. Because I was comfortable doing it as my regular duty, I never griped that I was not very often getting to build K-horns, etc. One advantage of my area being where it was in the cabinet shop was that I got to build a good number of the MCM systems...the MWM was kinda hard on the knees at times, but the rest of the system was a no-brainer to build! Whenever I got so many cabinets built that they became severely backlogged at the entry to the sanding room, I was normally pulled to do sub-assemblies for K-horns, help with the sawing of parts, do the routing for all the speakers, or whatever was needed...I kinda enjoyed the variety of that....a variety that the other builders seldom got a break to perform! BTW...there was NO SUCH THING as a "designer" model speaker...they were DECORATOR models!...IOW...buy em in raw birch, and DECORATE them with paint, stain, veneer, whatever...any way you want em to be! I have NO IDEA where some of the BB folks got "designer" from! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted January 11, 2004 Author Share Posted January 11, 2004 Thanks, Andy. That is amazing (!) how fast Heresies and Cornwalls were put together. Whew! It looks like Khorns and Belles were the biggest bargains in the world, when you figure man-hours and price versus man-hours (or man-minutes) and price of Heresies. If I can have a follow-up, how much time was needed to get all these various sub-assemblies for the various speakers made? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMcD Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 Boy, this implies there are a heck of a lot of Heresies out there. So why do people get down on Klipsch LLC for cashing in on direct radiator, small speakers. PWK was doing too. Gil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddy Dee Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 great post HDBRBuilder! That is interesting. I sure would like to sit around and watch a Khorn buildup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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