Spider Posted February 29, 2004 Share Posted February 29, 2004 Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I have had a pair of Heresy's since '75 along with a Luxman CD player and a top of the line Kyocera receiver. CD player deck no longer slides in and out and noone can fix it! I am baffled by all the products out there but have decided no 5.1 for me. I listen to classical, country, primarily but really enjoy good sound in general. I have heard that DVD players are inferior to CD player for musicality. I also have one Hybrid CD which I love. I would appreciate any coment and suggestions regarding how to proceed. I would upgrade my speakers to one of the classic Klipsch but there is nobody in the St Pete where I can audition Same. Thanks in advance Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted February 29, 2004 Share Posted February 29, 2004 Welcome, Phil. Since you like your Heresies, you're bound to like the more expensive Heritage models. So I wouldn't let a little thing like not being able to audition them first stop you. Since you have a hybrid CD and that shouldn't go to waste, I'd buy an SACD player. They all play CDs besides SACDs. You won't be able to find a stereo-only player without spending a fortune, so just don't use the multichannel capabilities if you don't want to get into all that. I'd buy new. Less chance of something happening like what just happened to your Luxman. What kind of price range do you have in mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audio Flynn Posted February 29, 2004 Share Posted February 29, 2004 Ther Sony SACD players with no DVD capability sound very nice. i have spent some time listeneing to the Sony 333 model. If CD only is a consideration. THe new Rotel is very nice. please post your budget dollars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted February 29, 2004 Share Posted February 29, 2004 One that is intriguing is the Pioneer DV-563A machine. It plays SACD, DVD-Audio, DVD, and CD. You can read about it here. It's available for even less at some other places. http://www.jandr.com/JRProductPage.process?RestartFlow=t&Section_Id=1&Product_Id=3701173 If you don't like it stock, you can spend another $550 or so to modify it. Here is the link to a modder: http://www.aplhifi.com/Pioneer563a.html And a review by a guy who got one modded by Alex: http://java.audioasylum.com/cgi/m.pl?forum=hirez&n=161624&highlight=ak645&r=&session= And here are some people yakking about their experiences. http://www5.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=62047 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider Posted March 1, 2004 Author Share Posted March 1, 2004 Thanks for the above replies. I hope to pay under $1000 for a player. I thought that I might stimulate some comments about any differences in DVD and CD sound--obviously,not a consideration. I am also thinking about replacing my whole system, particularly in reference to your comments re more expensive Klipsch speakers. I think there is a retailer about 150 miles from here. I have been thinking seriously about Rotel but I might even spring for more SACDs . I'll check out the above links . To redo my whole system, I would budget around $4000. I feel like Rip Von Winkle but any comments on the above are greatly appreciated. This is a great site. Thanks to all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 ---------------- On 2/29/2004 9:30:54 PM paulparrot wrote: One that is intriguing is the Pioneer DV-563A machine. It plays SACD, DVD-Audio, DVD, and CD. You can read about it here. It's available for even less at some other places. http://www.jandr.com/JRProductPage.process?RestartFlow=t&Section_Id=1&Product_Id=3701173 If you don't like it stock, you can spend another $550 or so to modify it. Here is the link to a modder: http://www.aplhifi.com/Pioneer563a.html And a review by a guy who got one modded by Alex: http://java.audioasylum.com/cgi/m.pl?forum=hirez&n=161624&highlight=ak645&r=&session = And here are some people yakking about their experiences. http://www5.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=62047 ---------------- No, No, NO!!!! That Pioneer is a piece of junk. It converts the DSD to PCM prior to output as a way of saving money over using discrete converters. C'mon, guys. Did you really think a $150 all-in-one player was worth anything when every other all-in-one cost $700 and up?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 Ouch! No. Check out this post from Audio Asylum. ***** Posted by Alex Peychev (M) on February 29, 2004 at 23:02:43 In Reply to: Does Pioneer DV-563 convert DSD to PCM? posted by I.Kill.Hackers on February 29, 2004 at 20:02:58: ...NO it does NOT convert DSD to PCM. Since the Pioneer DV-563A-s and the exact same Elite DV-50 are using the latest Philips Furore 2 DSD processor, I am not sure if even the MC BM gets converted to PCM. The little Furore 2 is really amazing! Regards, Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 ---------------- On 3/1/2004 10:43:39 AM Spider wrote: Thanks for the above replies. I hope to pay under $1000 for a player. I thought that I might stimulate some comments about any differences in DVD and CD sound--obviously,not a consideration. I am also thinking about replacing my whole system, particularly in reference to your comments re more expensive Klipsch speakers. I think there is a retailer about 150 miles from here. I have been thinking seriously about Rotel but I might even spring for more SACDs . I'll check out the above links . To redo my whole system, I would budget around $4000. ---------------- Buying new Klipsch Heritage speakers higher in the line would not allow you to stay under budget, and typically would have to be special ordered. I'd call the retailer first to see if he actually has any Heritage on display. If he doesn't, he'll likely try to sell you a different line of Klipsch. There is always the used market for Heritage. Do you have the room for Klipschorns? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T2K Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 I've got a Pioneer 563a and it sounds pretty good. Of course it may not sound as good as a player costing 5 times as much, or more, but it was a definite improvement over my older Sony CD player. I'll upgrade later. I'd spend my money on a good pair of used Chorus II's or Forte II's if you want to upgrade speakers. No sub required. There is probably a member here that lives close to you that will be happy to audition their prized Klipsch. Welcome aboard! Keith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 From http://www.goodsound.com/equipment/pioneer_dv563a.htm SACDs were a slightly different story. The $249 DVP-NS755V is my multichannel SACD player of choice these days; while the Pioneer did a credible job, the Sony retained a slight lead in this area. The differences werent huge, but with the Sony there was a slight sense of increased space and tighter control over images. The difference between the two players could arguably be attributable to the fact that while the Sony processes the native DSD signal, the Pioneer converts DSD to PCM before processing. Pioneer does this to save the cost of making a player that includes two processors. While this may have a slight negative impact on performance, its one of the things that has allowed Pioneer to drive down the DV-563As cost to something the mass market can afford Pioneer announced this when they first dropped the player. Before it was in the BB I used to work at, we knew that they were using a chipset that converted DSD to PCM in order to save a few bucks over the already available chipsets that did both discretely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 There you have it, take your choice. You can believe the guys at BestBuy who "know" that the Pioneer converts DSD to PCM, or you can believe the guy who mods the machine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 ---------------- On 3/1/2004 2:40:00 PM paulparrot wrote: There you have it, take your choice. You can believe the guys at BestBuy who "know" that the Pioneer converts DSD to PCM, or you can believe the guy who mods the machine. ---------------- What I'm saying Paul, is that this info came down from Pioneer! Now, you can believe the guy who mods the machine, or you can believe the people who designed and built the machine! Dammit, your attitude is so frickin snyde. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 This is not an opinion thing, and your info is wrong. You did not talk to the Pioneer engineers who designed the machine. I don't care if there was some wrong info given out by Pioneer at one time. It's a big company and who knows who gave out the erroneous info. Do you think some clerk in an office knows what the heck a Furore 2 DSD processor is, or what it does? LOL! To show how this kind of thing can happen, when Philips first released the 963SA, they accidentally listed most of the specs that were actually for the Philips SACD-1000. And some people vehemently clung to repeating what kind of transformers it was supposed to have in it, even though technicians kept explaining that the public spec sheets were wrong. Alex makes a living modding equipment and is *the* specialist on this particular unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leok Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 The Philips 963SA upsamples CDs to 192Ks/s and plays SACDs. The output drivers are class-A. It's a good machine .. sounds good. I use it for classical .. mostly chamber music. Leo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edster00 Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 FWIW, I can highly recommend the Sony DVP-S9000ES player. This unit originally retailed for ~$1500 and was built by Sony's audio engineers, not video. They are no longer available new but can be found used for ~$600 (I would look at Audiogon). This unit is built like a tank...weighing in at 27lbs, and plays 2 channel CDs/SACDs/DVDs superbly. I used mine in my 2 channel system until my HT DVD player bit the dust and I moved it upstairs. I replaced it with a pretty expensive (to me) McIntosh DVD/CD player, but it doesn't do SACDs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbsl Posted March 2, 2004 Share Posted March 2, 2004 What is your budget for a CD or SACD player? I have owned a NAD C540 CD player since 2000 and it has been a great CD player! I also own a Dennon DVD2900 which plays CDs, SACDs, and DVD As. The NAD C540 with regular CDs sounds much betterthan the Dennon 2900. But with SACDs and DVD Audio the Dennon does sound better. SACD does give a better sound and you can listen in SACD stereo so you do not have to worry about having a 5.1 system. I am thinking about replacing the C540 with the C542. The C542 is the latest version and you should be able to find it for $500 or less. If you do not want to have to replace your cd collection with SACDs I suggest going to the NAD website and find a dealer and go listen. The dealer I bought mine from let me take the demo home and try it. If you do plan to start buying SACDs then I would go with the suggestions already mentioned. Xman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider Posted March 3, 2004 Author Share Posted March 3, 2004 I do not have room for K-horns. With all the helpful suggestions plus the fact that I just found a local dealer who can get the heritage series and who suggests Rotel hardware, I am going to investigate this further. Obviously I have decided to increase my budget! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider Posted March 3, 2004 Author Share Posted March 3, 2004 I thank everyone for their interest and suggestions. They have been very stimulating and helpful. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch RF7 Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 If anything, I would think it would require more circuitry and processors to convert DSD to PCM which I dont believe is happening, DSD is diffrent from PCM and has to have its own processor to decode the 1 bit signal and I do believe that all SACD players have the Sony DSD decoder built in and use it for SACD processing, Is there conversion going on which I would think would be a moot point and require even more processors to convert DSD to PCM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 Most SACD players convert to PCM if the multichannel bass management is activated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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