soulman Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 I'm looking at these two receivers as an upgrade to an Integra 6.2 I have right now. I have the RF7/RC7/RS7's in a 5.1 config. in a room 14x20' I would like to stay around $1000-1200. The Denon 3805 seems to be a huge "winner" and can pick this up a Magnolia. The HK is at onecall.com, which is in my local town, Spokane, so I can't compare them at the same place. Onecall and Magnolia don't sell klipsch anymore either. Anyway, it's would be hard for me to compare, as I don't have any spare Klipsch speakers to tote around. I would love to hear any opinions. Thanks alot! Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr-dezibel Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 3805 - the best in that price range. You can't go wrong with it. The next step up will cost a lot more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostsurfer2k Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 I just got the 3805 (got mine from the magnolia in the BB i work at). This thing is amazing the clarity, power and sheer number of inputs, are amazing. For any person that has to pay MSRP, it is well worth the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrock Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 I have had the 3805 for several months now. It takes a while to get through the various configuration setups, but it is driving my Forte's(Front and rears)with little effort, in a 7.1 configuration. I have read that some people with less efficient speakers, are using the "pre-outs" on the 3805 patched to another amp to drive their speakers louder. I'm happy with it, and I'm glad I made the decision to get it when I did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brap Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 I am considering the 3805 but have also liked the 2805. I would be driving Forte's for mains and KG-1's for rears with a older KTLCR center. Is the extra $$ for the 3805 really worth it from a DAC and power standpoint? Thanks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomski Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 Soulman,Ive owned H/K receivers for 26 yrs in a row! A claim probably no one here can make. So I am very familiar with H/K sound One thing that about H/K is that they do NOT hype their specs,and I have never heard of a H/K having problems driving any loudspeaker that Im aware of. Most people are biased about the gear they own,myself included. H/K is seldom the first on the block to get the latest bell or whistle,but I veiw this as a good thing. If you want more surround effects,input/outputs that type of stuff maybe the Denon would be a better option.If a better sound quality is your goal then I think you will like the 7300. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMcGoo Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 Klipsch RF-7s have an impedance dip down to 3 ohms in the woofer section. This translates to a need for a very robust amp. The H/K 7300 is reviewed in the November Sound & Vision mag. With 7 channels driven, it produced 139 watts into 8 ohms. This is way better than the Denon can produce with all channels driven. If you want the room correction feature, I recommend the Pioneer Elite VSX-56TXi or the 54TX. They make rated power with all cahnnels driven. The Denon has very good features, but an outboard amp would be needed to get the dynamics that the RF-7s can produce. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popbumper Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 Like Tomski, I have owned H/K equipment for many years, though he has me beat by about 5 years (first H/K receiver 1985). Good equipment for the price, robust and musical, feature filled. Popbumper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelerFan Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 My vote would be for the H/K because of the better amp section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulman Posted November 12, 2004 Author Share Posted November 12, 2004 4 votes for HK, and 4 votes for Denon. Looks like I cant go wrong with either, except MrMagoo just sold me on the H/K because of the amp section power. 139 watts??? wow! Is that measure from 20-20K or at 1K? Also, does either one have a digital volume control? One that increases in a linear fashion? Good bass management on the H/K? Interesting reading! Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulman Posted November 12, 2004 Author Share Posted November 12, 2004 Never mind, the article in SoundandVision mag. just answered all my questions... $2300 MSRP is a little high, hmmm...tough decisions. Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMcGoo Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 Scott, OneCall.com (Huppins' in Spokane) has the H/K 7200 for $800 plus change and the 7300 NIB for $1,625. The 7200's amps are just as good as the 7300, but the processor lacks Dolby PL IIx. Since the 7200 has an open box, I'd be careful. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulman Posted November 12, 2004 Author Share Posted November 12, 2004 Thanks for the tip, MrMcGoo. Just found the sale on their website. One more question- Is the digital amps like HK's DPR 1005 or 2005, the way to go now? Better than traditional analog amps? Thanks alot, Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMcGoo Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 Some stand alone digital amps are ok, but in receivers I'd go with traditional amps. The H/Ks run 75 amps peak to peak. That is very hard to beat in a receiver. My Sunfire separate amp runs 80 amps peak to peak. On the H/K AVR-7200 you need to verify that it has a sufficient number of digital inputs. The 7300 shows twice as many digital inputs per the OneCall web site. They are probably the same, but you will need to verify it. The 7300 has a video scaler built into it. The Yamaha Z-9 has problems with its video scaler. I'd look at the video on the 7300; on paper, it has some very nice features. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomski Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 There are many "highly reviewed" models/brands that fail to meet their rated wattage in a all channels driven test.Some will also rate theirs at 1khz all channels driven. H/K always rates their eguip at 20hz to 20khz all channels driven into a 8ohm load. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjohnsonhp Posted November 13, 2004 Share Posted November 13, 2004 I have a 3805 but I think there is a Pioneer that is a pretty tough challenger at the moment. For sound and less features at a higher price some like the Rotel. You can't go wrong with the Denon 3805...great features for under $1k..nice room EQ (need to buy the mic) and you can add a MC amp and then swap the AVR for a pre-pro as anice upgrade path. There are also new pre/pro and MC amps coming in the $1200 price range from other suppliers...also there may be some new stuff coming from outlaw in the spring that might challenge the typcial $1k AVRs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted November 13, 2004 Share Posted November 13, 2004 I've had my 7200 for about a year. It has tremendous, clean power especially when you consider that it is a receiver, not an amp/prepro. S&V measured it in the 2 channel mode and it puts out over 190 watts! I love the way it sounds with the Klipsch Reference series. I was fortunate enough to get one during the model closeout for about $950.00 (about a grand less than msrp). The 7300 has slightly more power and I believe video upconversion. If you can get one at a decent price you will not regret it. Carl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomski Posted November 13, 2004 Share Posted November 13, 2004 Cecaa850 Your the GREATEST!!!!I also agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RM1111 Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 Hey Soulman, If you didn't buy anything yet. J&R has the 7300 for $1399.00 & free shipping. Don't know when the sale will end and they are a authorized seller. I am still deciding between the 630 or 7300. Money is a factor for me. Website www.jandr.com. I think that Harman Kardon is coming out with a new line. I think I read somewhere they are putting a EQ in the new 635. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 For those of you that money is a factor, the 7200 can still be had in the $850.00 range, brand new. Just google 7200 sales, there are a few out there. Bang for the buck, it cant be beat. Up till a month or so ago, it was H/K's flagship. Carl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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