sunprairie Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 If my DVD player has the separate analog outputs on the back, should I be hooking these up to my Denon 4802 receiver for true 5.1 or does my coaxial cable carry the same signal and then the Denon does the processing? Does it make a difference if it's a DVD-A or SACD vs. DVD video with that same question? It's probably a very basic question, but I don't want to miss anything. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sivadselim Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 DVD-A and SACD can ONLY be passed to the receiver as analog signals. ONLY. PERIOD. (unless you have a firewire or I-link connection, which the 4802 doesn't have, iirc.) the DVD-V portion of your DVD-As CAN be passed either way, analog (the player does the processing) or digital (the receiver does the processing). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMcGoo Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 For DVD-V, a digital cable is all that is needed. For true DVD-A (MLP) and SACD, the six analog cables are needed with your setup. Without the six analog cables hooked up, the DVD-A will use the lower resolution Dolby Digital or PCM tracks for output. On an SACD, CD sound is all that is possible via a digital cable on most systems. Ideally, the high resolution music player should have delay times and bass management for DVD-A and SACD. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunprairie Posted March 5, 2005 Author Share Posted March 5, 2005 Thanks for the input everyone. I thought that might be correct. Appreciate the input; I guess I go get a set of cables, or will regular RCA analoge separate cables work ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sivadselim Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 any cables that will pass an analog signal will work although you MAY want to match the cables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunprairie Posted March 5, 2005 Author Share Posted March 5, 2005 Thanks, this will not affect anything at the reciever when playing DVD's will it, like processing at the DVD player rather than the receiver? Or is there some type of setup to do at the player? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.4knee Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 ---------------- On 3/5/2005 1:31:17 PM sivadselim wrote: DVD-A and SACD can ONLY be passed to the receiver as analog signals. ONLY. PERIOD. (unless you have a firewire or I-link connection, which the 4802 doesn't have, iirc.) I do not know if you are referring to his set up only but this is not a true general statement. I am listening to a multi channel SACD on my Denon DVD 2200 and my Yamaha RX V3300 and have no multi channel analog cables connected. All the decoding is done by the DAC's my Yamaha via the optical cable from the Denon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxman Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 ---------------- On 3/5/2005 2:04:37 PM J.4knee wrote: ---------------- On 3/5/2005 1:31:17 PM sivadselim wrote: DVD-A and SACD can ONLY be passed to the receiver as analog signals. ONLY. PERIOD. (unless you have a firewire or I-link connection, which the 4802 doesn't have, iirc.) I do not know if you are referring to his set up only but this is not a true general statement. I am listening to a multi channel SACD on my Denon DVD 2200 and my Yamaha RX V3300 and have no multi channel analog cables connected. All the decoding is done by the DAC's my Yamaha via the optical cable from the Denon. ---------------- sivadselim was correct with the original statement. Unless there is a firewire used the only other way to get true SACD or DVD-A multichannel music to work is by using the 6 analog outputs on the back of the dvd/sacd player. You might be listening to suround sound using a dsp, DTS or Dolby Digital encoding, but you are not listening to SACD multichannel music if you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunprairie Posted March 5, 2005 Author Share Posted March 5, 2005 If I hook up the 6 anolog outputs for DVD-A would I then need to choose another input device on the receiver and set the inputs to analog on that particular device? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sivadselim Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 ---------------- On 3/5/2005 2:04:37 PM J.4knee wrote: ---------------- On 3/5/2005 1:31:17 PM sivadselim wrote: DVD-A and SACD can ONLY be passed to the receiver as analog signals. ONLY. PERIOD. (unless you have a firewire or I-link connection, which the 4802 doesn't have, iirc.) I do not know if you are referring to his set up only but this is not a true general statement. I am listening to a multi channel SACD on my Denon DVD 2200 and my Yamaha RX V3300 and have no multi channel analog cables connected. All the decoding is done by the DAC's my Yamaha via the optical cable from the Denon. ---------------- uh............................. no you're not. you're listening to the regular 2-channel CD track that is included on a hybrid SACD. and your receiver must be processing it to multi-channel by a lossy format such as DolbyPLII. you'd actually be better off quality-wise listening to that 2-channel CD track simply as 2-channel stereo. high-resolution SACD absolutely cannot be passed via a digital connection with your equipment. PERIOD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxman Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 ---------------- On 3/5/2005 2:18:42 PM sunprairie wrote: If I hook up the 6 anolog outputs for DVD-A would I then need to choose another input device on the receiver and set the inputs to analog on that particular device? ---------------- When I am listening to MC music I simply have to select Multi on my Rotel, your Denon should have something similar to let it know thats your intent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sivadselim Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 sunprairie, what player do you have? if it's DACs are comparable to your receiver's in quality, then you can process everything at the player, if you wish. that's what I do; regular CDs, hirez DVD-A and SACD, and DVD movies. some people like to process their CDs and/or movies at the receiver as it allows for separate settings for those formats. it's up to you. and you use the receiver's "EXT. IN" setting to listen to the 6-channel analog input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksonbart Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 "DVD-A and SACD can ONLY be passed to the receiver as analog signals. ONLY. PERIOD. (unless you have a firewire or I-link connection, which the 4802 doesn't have, iirc.)" SIV Even if the 4802 had the iirc/denon link wouldn't the reciever still need to SACD decoder built in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sivadselim Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 ---------------- On 3/5/2005 2:42:53 PM jacksonbart wrote: "DVD-A and SACD can ONLY be passed to the receiver as analog signals. ONLY. PERIOD. (unless you have a firewire or I-link connection, which the 4802 doesn't have, iirc.)" SIV Even if the 4802 had the iirc/denon link wouldn't the reciever still need to SACD decoder built in? ---------------- yes, and it has neither. perhaps you're implying that firewire/i-link-capable receivers STILL do not have SACD capability; only DVD-A. and you may be absolutely correct. i'm not that familiar with firewire/i-link, but it wouldn't surprise me if that's indeed the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunprairie Posted March 5, 2005 Author Share Posted March 5, 2005 You're right on. Had to use the ext. in to make it all work. Works great. Had a Blue Man Group DVD-A on the b side of the Complex tour DVD. Thanks for everyone's help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.4knee Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 ---------------- On 3/5/2005 2:15:18 PM foxman wrote: ---------------- On 3/5/2005 2:04:37 PM J.4knee wrote: ---------------- On 3/5/2005 1:31:17 PM sivadselim wrote: DVD-A and SACD can ONLY be passed to the receiver as analog signals. ONLY. PERIOD. (unless you have a firewire or I-link connection, which the 4802 doesn't have, iirc.) I do not know if you are referring to his set up only but this is not a true general statement. I am listening to a multi channel SACD on my Denon DVD 2200 and my Yamaha RX V3300 and have no multi channel analog cables connected. All the decoding is done by the DAC's my Yamaha via the optical cable from the Denon. ---------------- sivadselim was correct with the original statement. Unless there is a firewire used the only other way to get true SACD or DVD-A multichannel music to work is by using the 6 analog outputs on the back of the dvd/sacd player. You might be listening to suround sound using a dsp, DTS or Dolby Digital encoding, but you are not listening to SACD multichannel music if you are. ---------------- I did no tknow that...obviously. I stand corrected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sivadselim Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 hey, J.4knee, does that yammy have the 6-channel analog inputs? if so, get some cables, set it up for hirez, and you're set. i do all my decoding with my 2200. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomer9911 Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 rule of thumb....video goes to source and audio to A\V Receiver, coaxial is better than optical IMO for direct audio.... when you run DVD Audio\SACD Multi-channel, your running "6 channel" input on your A\V Receiver, cables NOW make a difference... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunprairie Posted March 8, 2005 Author Share Posted March 8, 2005 Tried it both ways. There is only a couple of ways to play true surround DVD-A and SACD, that is 6 analog cables, or firewire or D-Link. The Denon has neither. Real difference between processed sound through coaxial or optical and analog. If you don't go this way, you're missing something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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