shload Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 Ok, I'd like to tiptoe into trying out one of these amps. I'm looking for something that needs no work as I'm in no way a DIY'er!!! Looking to see if anyone has something for sale or recommendations on some amps. Thanks for the time. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 I recommend you listen before you buy anything of this topology. If you decide to buy anyway, make sure you get a good deal on some used equipment so you won't take a beating when you resell it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 I have Bottlehead 2A3 and love the tone, but I think the VRDs are about the best tube amp I have heard on horns! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago_Pete Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 Someone once stated, "make sure you get the 3 hour return policy." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markgod Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 Ok, I'd like to tiptoe into trying out one of these amps. I'm looking for something that needs no work as I'm in no way a DIY'er!!! Looking to see if anyone has something for sale or recommendations on some amps. Thanks for the time. Joe Joe, I have been looking at various 45 amps , the most interesting one i have found is at http://www.ramlabs-musicreference.com/ . Designed by Rojer Modjeski , doubles the watts from 2w to 4w without any additional stress on the tubes . The RM 245.1 goes for $1850 or so depending on tubes you want. Read some excellent comments on it at Audio Circle Forum > Manufacturers>Omega SpeakerSystems>Topic:Set Or PP intergrated recs sought. I had the"BottleHead" paramounts 2A3 amp ,and I still prefer the mids and highs on them over the VRD's , Craig says that is because I probably don"t have the right preamp match, so we are going to swap out preamps for awhile, he is sending me his juicy music peach.That way I can hear a preamp that is a good match for the VRD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbflash Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 Wright Sound WPA 3.5 I loved these amps. The only reason I sold them was to get money to pay for a pair of Khorns. I used them with cornwalls, lascalas,heresys and klf20's. I am hoping to get another pair this year. I love my vrd's, but I also liked the smooth sound of the 2A3's. good luck and you will get slammed for even thinking about this on the klipsch bb. danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Painful Reality Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 Designed by Rojer Modjeski , doubles the watts from 2w to 4w without any additional stress on the tubes . That's either: pure crap magic refering to output power as peak instead of RMS I'd vote for 1 or 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Painful Reality Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 Freakin' double post... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lighting guy Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 shload and dbflash, I have a nice pair of Wrights 3.5s (with a great assortment of tubes!) which I may be willing to sell in the coming weeks. I recently bought joessportster's VRDs for my horns and am waiting to get them from Craig. After a modest audition time I will decide to sell the Wrights or not. I DO love the seductive midrange and sounstage they provide, I just have a very large room to fill and often play rock []! If you guys are interested let me know. Also in this switchout could be a Wright WPL20 (pre-phono) with NOS tubes which may not be a match with the VRDs, I might be going passive w/ separate phono stage if anyone's intested in horse trading! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audio Flynn Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 Wright Sound WPA 3.5 I loved these amps. The only reason I sold them was to get money to pay for a pair of Khorns. I used them with cornwalls, lascalas,heresys and klf20's. I am hoping to get another pair this year. I love my vrd's, but I also liked the smooth sound of the 2A3's. good luck and you will get slammed for even thinking about this on the klipsch bb. danny Slammed? More like extremely cautioned. I usually think or music as dynamic instead of smooth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markgod Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 Designed by Rojer Modjeski , doubles the watts from 2w to 4w without any additional stress on the tubes . That's either: pure crap magic refering to output power as peak instead of RMS I'd vote for 1 or 3. Did you even bother to click on the link and try to read what Roger did to arrive at the stated watts, the guy has done this with many tubes. If you have not, you might find it interesting,or you might not, your call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shload Posted January 6, 2007 Author Share Posted January 6, 2007 Well, I might have a local person to be able to build a kit for me, so they are back in the mix. Thanks for the advice and I will take a close look into the Wright amps. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Painful Reality Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 Did you even bother to click on the link and try to read what Roger did to arrive at the stated watts, the guy has done this with many tubes. If you have not, you might find it interesting,or you might not, your call. You mean this? Q: How do you get twice the power without hurting the tubes? A: Roger A. Modjeski, our designer, has always created new applications for tubes in his amplifiers and preamps. These applications are generally not the ones given in the RCA tube manual that most other designers use. Those applications are only suggestions and are not the final word. The range of possible applications is limitless and Roger enjoys exploring this realm creating new applications. The standard application of the 45 results in 10 watts of dissipation. This later became the rating for the tube. Interestingly enough, plate dissipation is not given in the early manuals. Roger has the complete set of RCA manuals from RC 11 to RC 29. In the RM-245 Rogers application uses a slightly lower plate current and a slightly higher plate voltage with the average dissipation being 8 watts. The common RCA application is 10 watts (the maximum recommended). One of Rogers conditions is always to run below max dissipation in all his amplifiers. That is not an explaination but a white paper infomercial. He may gain some output power by lowering the plate load at the expense of raising the distortion. Even then, he won't double the output power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauln Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 The Wright 3.5 is an excellent amp, pay no attention to the "high power only need apply" crowd. The Wright 3.5 is class A to 3.5W, then uses class A2 for peaks to 8W. It works best with an active preamp (like the ones made by George Wright). George also makes a 45. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markgod Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 Did you even bother to click on the link and try to read what Roger did to arrive at the stated watts, the guy has done this with many tubes. If you have not, you might find it interesting,or you might not, your call. You mean this? Q: How do you get twice the power without hurting the tubes? A: Roger A. Modjeski, our designer, has always created new applications for tubes in his amplifiers and preamps. These applications are generally not the ones given in the RCA tube manual that most other designers use. Those applications are only suggestions and are not the final word. The range of possible applications is limitless and Roger enjoys exploring this realm creating new applications. The standard application of the 45 results in 10 watts of dissipation. This later became the rating for the tube. Interestingly enough, plate dissipation is not given in the early manuals. Roger has the complete set of RCA manuals from RC 11 to RC 29. In the RM-245 Rogers application uses a slightly lower plate current and a slightly higher plate voltage with the average dissipation being 8 watts. The common RCA application is 10 watts (the maximum recommended). One of Rogers conditions is always to run below max dissipation in all his amplifiers. That is not an explaination but a white paper infomercial. He may gain some output power by lowering the plate load at the expense of raising the distortion. Even then, he won't double the output power. Not trying to start anything, after I posted I realized that I read much more about the guy ,that did not come from his web site,from other peoples comments from searching for more info on line.Wanted to edit my post to you ,but I have been having problems with getting on line ,our provider is doing some line work in our area, and I had to leave for work at 2:00 and just got home. There were some good comments on him in the forum article ,I wish I knew how to attatch the link here , I would try to type it in but it is a mile long. I just thought it was interesting as far as his claims go ,and from other peoples comments it looks like an amp worth looking into ,if you like low powered SET amps. Try this if you are interested in reading some more about what others are saying concerning his amps. http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?topic=33437.10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markgod Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 Did you even bother to click on the link and try to read what Roger did to arrive at the stated watts, the guy has done this with many tubes. If you have not, you might find it interesting,or you might not, your call. You mean this? Q: How do you get twice the power without hurting the tubes? A: Roger A. Modjeski, our designer, has always created new applications for tubes in his amplifiers and preamps. These applications are generally not the ones given in the RCA tube manual that most other designers use. Those applications are only suggestions and are not the final word. The range of possible applications is limitless and Roger enjoys exploring this realm creating new applications. The standard application of the 45 results in 10 watts of dissipation. This later became the rating for the tube. Interestingly enough, plate dissipation is not given in the early manuals. Roger has the complete set of RCA manuals from RC 11 to RC 29. In the RM-245 Rogers application uses a slightly lower plate current and a slightly higher plate voltage with the average dissipation being 8 watts. The common RCA application is 10 watts (the maximum recommended). One of Rogers conditions is always to run below max dissipation in all his amplifiers. That is not an explaination but a white paper infomercial. He may gain some output power by lowering the plate load at the expense of raising the distortion. Even then, he won't double the output power. Not trying to start anything, after I posted I realized that I read much more about the guy ,that did not come from his web site,from other peoples comments from searching for more info on line.Wanted to edit my post to you ,but I have been having problems with getting on line ,our provider is doing some line work in our area, and I had to leave for work at 2:00 and just got home. There were some good comments on him in the forum article ,I wish I knew how to attatch the link here , I would try to type it in but it is a mile long. I just thought it was interesting as far as his claims go ,and from other peoples comments it looks like an amp worth looking into ,if you like low powered SET amps. try this if you are interested at all in 45 SET amps. http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?topic=33437.10 SORRY FOR DOUBLE POST Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 The Wright 3.5 is an excellent amp, pay no attention to the "high power only need apply" crowd. The Wright 3.5 is class A to 3.5W, then uses class A2 for peaks to 8W. It works best with an active preamp (like the ones made by George Wright). George also makes a 45. You're into UFOs as well as SETs? You should talk to Dean--with his Air Force connections he knows where all the alien bodies from flying saucer crashes are stored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Mandaville Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 This isn't to continue the worn-out topic, but I really, really enjoyed the Wright 2A3 amp when it was here. It was in very bad shape, but when some things got put back in place, I liked it more than our Moondogs. George Wright is a great guy, too. I have to say in this case, there is no denying that the MQ iron was wonderful. Then there's the 1.5 watt Transcendent SE OTL that doesn't have any output iron at all -- great sound there, too! I had a chance at one point to 'obtain' the same pair of Wrights I worked on, very fairly offered by Tigerwoods, and I just wish I went for them. Those things were very nearly dead-silent, and jumped to life with Klipschorns. Erik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Painful Reality Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 try this if you are interested at all in 45 SET amps. http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?topic=33437.10 SORRY FOR DOUBLE POST Thanks for the link. But again the closest thing to an explanation of this 4 W instead of 2 W is the following paragraph. Roger has also redesigned the circuity so that the 45 tube generates 4 watts!!!!!!!!!!!! not 2 watts which every other 45 amp produces... Roger designs his SET amps to produce twice the power of anyone else's SET amps by redesigning the circuits... adjusting plate voltages and other values... he went back to the earliest SET designs from the late 1920's and early 1930's and found that the earliest designers did not develop the circuits to it's full potential... almost every current SET designer uses the "values" of those earliest designs to base their own designs on... which Roger feels are fundamentally flawed in terms of their understanding of how to "safely" utilize a given tubes performance potential... let me mention that Roger is very concerned with maximizing tube life and designs all of his amps so the tubes are never stressed and play in their optimal ranges for the longest life That is quite Raelian in essence. The guy who wrote this is basically spouting what he was told, not knowing if it's pure fiction or not. To be fair I hate 45 SET amps with a passion. They're closely associated with the "deeeeeetails first" crowd. The kind of guys that will be only aiming to hear Patricia Barber scratching her left ear on the second verse of track 9 on Café Blue. To me they sound like inserting a compressor in the signal chain. You might get away with a really small room (and I mean reall small) but I would doubt someone can enjoy Rust Never Sleep with these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 That is quite Raelian in essence. Certain to appeal to "pauln" then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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