InVeNtOr Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 alright i have to ask this question... from what i understand, the blue ray/ hd players have better quality and sound. this is due to the disks being 25gb instead of 4.72 gb. so that means the video and audio are uncompressed. now to be able to SEE the difference you need an 1080p tv (or projector), 1080p player, and a HDMI cable. now the question is since there is only ONE hdmi slot on the 1080p players and that one goes to your tv, how do you get the 1080p sound? will the orange coax or optical cable be able to give you the same sound? do you have to use 2 hdmi cables (one from the player to processor, and then the processor to the tv)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest srobak Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 HDMI is DVI video (think computer) plus digital sound. Most current receivers process sound over HDMI, there are a few that do not however, so choose carefully. Although most decks also have digital coax and optical out as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuzzzer Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 Receivers that have an HDMI input will generally have an HDMI output so that the video can pass through the receiver to the TV. The receiver will handle the audio portion. The sound formats available through Blu-Ray/HD-DVD and their HDMI outputs are not the same that are available through the coaxial or optical outputs. Also, there isn't anything called '1080p sound' like you mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougdrake Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 Many receivers with HDMI inputs only have the ability to route the video and they did not process the audio over that connection - depends on the vintage of the receiver so you'd want to be sure if you're looking at anything but a current-model receiver. The majority of players pass the new HD audio formats over HDMI in one of various methods for your receiver to process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InVeNtOr Posted December 27, 2007 Author Share Posted December 27, 2007 Also, there isn't anything called '1080p sound' like you mentioned. i know "1080p sound" doesn't exist, i just wanted people to know i ment the sound that is carried through the hdmi cable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InVeNtOr Posted December 27, 2007 Author Share Posted December 27, 2007 alright, so to get the upgraded (uncompressed) sound that comes from the blue ra/ hd players, you need two hdmi cables and route them through the processor. okay, simple enough....thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InVeNtOr Posted December 27, 2007 Author Share Posted December 27, 2007 on that last note....does anyone know a good processor that has hdmi? i am an outlaw guy but right now they don't have anything with hdmi. can anyone give me a starting point to look at. i have been to frys and best buy and some of their stuff has it but i want seperates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InVeNtOr Posted December 27, 2007 Author Share Posted December 27, 2007 on that last note...does anyone one know of a good seperate that has hdmi? i am hoping outlaw will come out with something someday... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el jopez Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 alright, so to get the upgraded (uncompressed) sound that comes from the blue ra/ hd players, you need two hdmi cables and route them through the processor. okay, simple enough....thanks That is correct. If you use optical for your audio you will have the HD signal downgraded to DTS track as optical doesn't have the bandwith for the larger audio files. If outlaw hasn't announced anything with HDMI at last CES I think it may be safe to bet that HDMI will be standard in most AV products as of this coming year so pay attention to the 08 show. Good luck and have fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damonrpayne Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 The Integra 9.8 is getting positive feedback, check it out: http://www.integrahometheater.com/ Their site seems to be having issues, try also: http://www.audioholics.com/news/press-releases/integra-dtc-9-8-three-zone-preamplifier-processor-introduced.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougdrake Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 There are very few separates that handle the latest HDMI standard (1.3a). The Onkyo Pro PR-SC885 is getting lots of press right now, and it's about $1500 and hard to find. There are many who believe you don't really need 1.3 (except for some very specific circumstances), but I guess if I'm going to shell out for a dedicated pre-amp, I might as well get the latest to help future-proof it. Google that model number and you'll get plenty of info. Some folks are using receivers as pre-amps, since receivers are way ahead of the game versus dedicated pre-amps in the features arena. Again, Onkyo has some great receivers in the 600 and 800 series. Also, Sherwood Newcastle (who builds the Outlaw 990) has some nice new receivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damonrpayne Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 Right, the Denon AVR-2808 is a slightly less expensive option (http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR-2808CI-Theater-Component-Receiver/dp/B000TW20A2/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1198817035&sr=8-1) For my part it seems the S/N of the pre-outs is usually in the realm of 10db worse on these receivers than an actual pre-amp, but depending on your room and your other gear this may not be an issue for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InVeNtOr Posted December 28, 2007 Author Share Posted December 28, 2007 does Sherwood Newcastle build all of outlaws products? they had some good processors there. i would add an amp, but other than that, those look good (per the specs). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el jopez Posted December 28, 2007 Share Posted December 28, 2007 Also do not discount the use of MPCM analog connections from you HD player to your processor for HD audio. Per current specs, all HD players decode the audio files at the player level, so it doesn't matter per se if your receiver can accept HD audio over HDMI. If your equppied for DVD-A and SACD then you can go HD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arky Posted December 28, 2007 Share Posted December 28, 2007 does Sherwood Newcastle build all of outlaws products? gonk is their forum answer man. link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougdrake Posted December 28, 2007 Share Posted December 28, 2007 Also do not discount the use of MPCM analog connections from you HD player to your processor for HD audio. Per current specs, all HD players decode the audio files at the player level, so it doesn't matter per se if your receiver can accept HD audio over HDMI. If your equppied for DVD-A and SACD then you can go HD. Hmm, I thought MPCM was a digital-only connection? There is sometimes a challenge finding players with analog outputs to support decoding in the player and passing analog to the receiver. I do not believe any players today decode DTS-HD Master Audio - I believe they all pass that digitally to a preamp/receiver for processing. OTOH, there isn't much content out there for DTS-HD MA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InVeNtOr Posted December 28, 2007 Author Share Posted December 28, 2007 arky, from what i read it seems like the share the same case, not neccessarly the same electronics. does that seem right to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougdrake Posted December 28, 2007 Share Posted December 28, 2007 does Sherwood Newcastle build all of outlaws products? gonk is their forum answer man. link No, Sherwood does not build all Outlaw products - it varies across their product line. There is an FAQ on the 990 here which describes their approach to various product lines. It also pretty explicity states it is based on the Sherwood P-965. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest srobak Posted December 28, 2007 Share Posted December 28, 2007 alright, so to get the upgraded (uncompressed) sound that comes from the blue ra/ hd players, you need two hdmi cables and route them through the processor. okay, simple enough....thanks No. Single HDMI cable from source to receiver... carries audio and video. Another from receiver to display to get pic and (optional) sound to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InVeNtOr Posted December 28, 2007 Author Share Posted December 28, 2007 sorry i worded it that way, that is what i meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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