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  1. i read that article -- i'm waiting on part II deep post Tom -- you really should get more sleep someday i'll upgrade to some 'real' horns -- but right now i'm having to much fun with the RF7's ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25f>s>c>Super Ampf>s>c> Sonic Frontiers Line 1 Sony DVP-S9000ES Klipsch RF7f>s>c>'s SVS 20-39PCf>s>c>ic> MIT/Monsters Toshiba 36"f>s>c> Inside every small problem is a large problem struggling to get outf>s>-- 2nd Law of Blissful Ignorancef>s>c>
  2. my tubes are better than your tubes i just scored some Siemans EL-34's for my Super Amp -- I also have some 6DJ8 Amperex Orange Globes on the way for the drivers and some nifty 6CG7 RCA Cleartops coming to replace the GE's as the current source i then splurged, and also have an additional 6 Amperex Orange Globes on the way for my Sonic Frontiers Line 1 preamp -- no more Sovteks! then, to top it all off and completely finish my system upgrades for the next 10 years (yea, right), i sold both my Anthem CD-1 and my LF-10 sub and replaced them with a Sony DVPS9000es and the SVS 20-39 PCi - which should be shipping next week you can read my review on the Sony 9000es here: http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/hirez/messages/70488.html I'm done -- you can stick a fork in me -- i am out of money, broke -- but my wife still loves me ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25f>s>c>Super Ampf>s>c> Sonic Frontiers Line 1 Sony DVP-S9000ES Klipsch RF7f>s>c>'s SVS 20-39PCf>s>c>ic> MIT/Monsters Toshiba 36"f>s>c> Inside every small problem is a large problem struggling to get outf>s>-- 2nd Law of Blissful Ignorancef>s>c> This message has been edited by deang on 04-23-2002 at 10:56 PM
  3. sugar and spice and everything nice ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25f>s>c>Super Ampf>s>c> Sonic Frontiers Line 1 Sony DVP-S9000ES Klipsch RF7f>s>c>'s SVS 20-39PCf>s>c>ic> MIT/Monsters Toshiba 36"f>s>c> Inside every small problem is a large problem struggling to get outf>s>-- 2nd Law of Blissful Ignorancef>s>c>
  4. I need Boa for this one. I don't know squat about the bells and whistles on HT recievers. I think 'small' means your cutting your mains and 'large' means you're running them full range. wWhat sounds better to you? 'Small' should sound better. Forest is right. Shoot that guy. ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25f>s>c>Super Ampf>s>c> Sonic Frontiers Line 1 Sony DVP-S9000ES Klipsch RF7f>s>c>'s SVS 20-39PCf>s>c>ic> MIT/Monsters Toshiba 36"f>s>c> Inside every small problem is a large problem struggling to get outf>s>-- 2nd Law of Blissful Ignorancef>s>c>
  5. We really, really, need to see a picture of your living room with the RF3's setup. Really. With toys and all. I seriously doubt upgrading to another receiver is going to do much -- unless you get into serious money. HK makes good stuff. Your AVR-520 can throw out 45 amps of instantaneous current. Learn to live with the remote if you can -- you have a good unit. Besides needing to see a picture of your room -- I would like to know if you are running your RF3's full range, or if you are 'cutting' them and running them through the sub first. Using the high-pass on the sub will increase dynamics and clean up your midrange. Now, depending on what we find out about your room -- if we see that the room is O.K., and placement is not an issue -- and you still feel the need to upgrade -- I can tell you unequivically that the RF7's would be the way to go. I would consider this a serious upgrade, and a substantial increase in performance. The RF7's are more detailed and dynamic as compared to the RF3. Also, there is the sensitivity issue. Look at the chart: Along with the increase in dynamics, low level detail, and bigger soundstage -- the increase in sensitivity of the RF7 would be like doubling your amplifier power. If it was me -- that's what I would do. I would like to be invited over if you decide to get them. I would like to see your wife $hit a kitten. I've never seen that before. My wife usually $hits a cow when I upgrade. ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25f>s>c>Super Ampf>s>c> Sonic Frontiers Line 1 Sony DVP-S9000ES Klipsch RF7f>s>c>'s SVS 20-39PCf>s>c>ic> MIT/Monsters Toshiba 36"f>s>c> Inside every small problem is a large problem struggling to get outf>s>-- 2nd Law of Blissful Ignorancef>s>c> This message has been edited by deang on 04-18-2002 at 07:06 PM
  6. Will -- you have a point. I just wish I could figure out what S&V did to get 76hz to 14.4khz +/- 4.5db? Ed -- I won't have it until tomorrow. I picked it up a J&R Music World for $929.99 shipped. I had sold the Anthem CD-1 and my Gibson guitar and ended up having a little free money after taxes. At any rate, I'm apprehensive about the 9000's Redbook playbook as some of Asylum members consider it mediocre at best. Opinions are divided so we'll see. I really wanted to give SACD a whirl and didn't want a carousel. I also have no interest in multichannel -- so, choices are very limited. It's the 9000es for less than $1K -- or much, much, more money. I also sold my LF-10 and just ordered a SVS 20-39 PCi. I'm a little nervous about that one too. I hope the bass is reasonably tight -- or she's going back. You can bet I'll be reporting for better or worse in the coming weeks. Incidently -- the consensus with the 9000es is that it takes over 300 hours of burn in before the analog section sounds it best. Deanf>s> Cary AE-25f>s>c>Super Ampf>s>c> Sonic Frontiers Line 1 Sony DVP-S9000ES Klipsch RF7f>s>c>'s SVS 20-39PCf>s>c>ic> MIT/Monsters Toshiba 36"f>s>c> Inside every small problem is a large problem struggling to get outf>s>-- 2nd Law of Blissful Ignorancef>s>c> This message has been edited by deang on 04-18-2002 at 02:43 PM
  7. great Boa, just great -- I finally get the guy calmed down, and you gotta go stirring him up again ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25f>s>c>Super Ampf>s>c> Sonic Frontiers Line 1 Sony DVP-S9000ES Klipsch RF7f>s>c>'s SVS 20-39PCf>s>c>ic> MIT/Monsters Toshiba 36"f>s>c> Inside every small problem is a large problem struggling to get outf>s>-- 2nd Law of Blissful Ignorancef>s>c>
  8. Anyone feel like commenting on those ugly numbers for the RF7 in Sound and Vision Magazine? Details are in post below titled "No Highs, No Lows, Must Be RF7's?! ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25f>s>c>Super Ampf>s>c> Sonic Frontiers Line 1 Sony DVP-S9000ES Klipsch RF7f>s>c>'s SVS 20-39PCf>s>c>ic> MIT/Monsters Toshiba 36"f>s>c> Inside every small problem is a large problem struggling to get outf>s>-- 2nd Law of Blissful Ignorancef>s>c> This message has been edited by deang on 04-18-2002 at 02:40 PM
  9. C'mon BobG or Jim or SOMEBODY from Klipsch What's up with those ugly numbers for the RF7 in Sound and Vision?? ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 Class A Triode Amp Sonic Frontiers Line 1 Sony DVP-S9000ES Klipsch RF7's SVS 20-39PCi MIT/Monsters Toshiba 36"f>s> Inside every small problem is a large problem struggling to get outf>s>c>-- 2nd Law of Blissful Ignorancef>s>c> This message has been edited by deang on 04-17-2002 at 08:03 PM
  10. If you change the avitar that you are using with your moniker -- things will get better. ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 Class A Triode Amp S. Frontiers/Anthem CD-1 Sonic Frontiers Line 1 Marantz DV-7010 Klipsch RF7's Klipsch LF-10 MIT/Monsters Toshiba 36"f>s> Inside every small problem is a large problem struggling to get outf>s>c>-- 2nd Law of Blissful Ignorancef>s>c>
  11. The picture was taken from the half-way point of the room. There is as much 'room' behind me as there is in front of me. ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 Class A Triode Amp S. Frontiers/Anthem CD-1 Sonic Frontiers Line 1 Marantz DV-7010 Klipsch RF7's Klipsch LF-10 MIT/Monsters Toshiba 36"f>s> Inside every small problem is a large problem struggling to get outf>s>c>-- 2nd Law of Blissful Ignorancef>s>c>
  12. 1 or 2 ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 Class A Triode Amp S. Frontiers/Anthem CD-1 Sonic Frontiers Line 1 Marantz DV-7010 Klipsch RF7's Klipsch LF-10 MIT/Monsters Toshiba 36"f>s> Inside every small problem is a large problem struggling to get outf>s>c>-- 2nd Law of Blissful Ignorancef>s>c>
  13. if they are in pretty good condition then I would say $1000 is a fair price the best way to check them out is to hook them up and play music through them -- then you can check the integrity of all the drivers as far as the upgrades go -- rope calk around the horns prevents the ringing associated with metal horns crossover upgrades are a bit more complex but you have come to the right place -- get those LaScalas and come back -- there are plenty or Heritage lovers here who would be more than happy to lend you a hand ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 Class A Triode Amp S. Frontiers/Anthem CD-1 Sonic Frontiers Line 1 Marantz DV-7010 Klipsch RF7's Klipsch LF-10 MIT/Monsters Toshiba 36"f>s> Inside every small problem is a large problem struggling to get outf>s>c>-- 2nd Law of Blissful Ignorancef>s>c>
  14. I didn't mean to step on a good Klipsch owner's ears, but plainly my ears hear a sound that is different from what yours hear. I'm not that thinned skinned so don't worry about me being offended. I think it's true we all hear a little differently or we would'nt be able account for such diversity in speakers. I'm somewhat relieved that Sound & Vision has published tests that back-up SOME of my contentions about the RF series (I was wondering if my ears had finally lost something to the march of years). On the other hand, I must admit that it seems that S&V tests seem to indicate that a speaker tests much worse that it reasonably should be. I think we will just have to wait and see what Klipsch's response is to those horrible numbers. Those numbers are certainly not indicative of what I'm hearing. I'm at a complete loss here. I do believe S&V screwed something up though -- as evidenced by my reprint above of the frequency response graph of the RB5. To me, the Rf series always sounded like the bass was less controlled and filled with more distortions (cabinet and sympathetic distortions between the dual woofer format). I don't know what to say except they sound clean to me. The bass comes through without destroying the lower midrange. No, the cabinets are not well braced internally, and initially, that bothered me too. However, with the advancements in computer modeling and analysis -- most of these anomolies are corrected in the crossover. Plus, the RF still needs a sub just to get to the bass depth that the Rps had built in. I can't complain much about the upper end, because the Rp-3 and 5 had nearly the same driver there. Well, the RP3 and RP5 used the EXACT same driver/horn as the RF3 and RB5. Sure, RF3/RB5 need a sub to get to where the RP3/RP5 were -- but look at the overall difference in price. It's a bunch. I think we agree here. It is also my contention that Klipsch wrongly interpreted the sales numbers for the RF-3 to mean that they should drop the entire RP series and build two new speakers that are exactly the same as the RF3, except for the fact that they are bigger in nearly every way. I think what they looked at is the same thing everyone else in the market looked at. The unpopularity of powered towers. The RP3's are basically RB5's with two KSW10's. The RP5's are RF3's with two KSW12's. Due to the placement issues most people are faced with -- powered towers just don't integrate well. Speakers usually end up having to be placed fairly close to walls and/or corners, and this causes them to boom to high heaven. For the same amount of money one can get some RF3's and a Carver Sunfire, Velodyne, or RSW12. It's easier to integrate and will produce a better quality of bass. First I was disheartened that Klipsch wanted to create such a redundancy with the RF3, RF5 and RF7 just as they did with the Rp3 and Rp5. I still don't understand why you keep lumping the RF5, RF7, and RF3 together. They are not the same. These speakers all sound fairly different from each other and all have different performance parameters. The RF5 has a larger horn, different crossover, and it's voiced completely different than the RF3. The RF7 uses a completely different driver altogether. There is nothing redundant here at all. As far as the RP3 and RP5 goes -- room size would be the biggest determination in which way to go here -- not sonic signature. So again, no redundancy here either. Second, I think they would have done themselves a favor by keeping the RF3, introducing the RF7 (which is much larger sounding than the RF3), and reformulating the two RP speakers into a new package that kept a three way speaker (or something close to a three way speaker like the Rp series) in the reference line. The RP series were no more a three-way than the RF series with a sub. I wouldn't really consider the RP series a three-way. They were basically two-ways with built in subs. I must also point out that I am used to listening to my Rp3s and my Heresys through MIT speaker cables. The RF series speakers I have listened to have been through the cheap store system speaker cables that lead to a multiple distribution box (so they can match their zillion components to your selected speaker). I think some of my opinions could change if listening to the RF series through a pair of MIT speaker cables proved a much better sound than I imagine. I use MIT's also and they are a very good match with horns. Sure, ideally you should hear them with decent equipment in a decent room. But when you get right down to it -- that's basically what you have -- RB5's with two KSW10's. So, for all intents and purposes -- you know what RF sounds like. I will read with interest any finding from a Klipsch owner that either verifies or discounts Sound & Vision's tests (as I think many of the audio magazines don't give Klipsch a fair shake). Agreed. Better yet -- Klipsch should respond. ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 Class A Triode Amp S. Frontiers/Anthem CD-1 Sonic Frontiers Line 1 Marantz DV-7010 Klipsch RF7's Klipsch LF-10 MIT/Monsters Toshiba 36"f>s> Inside every small problem is a large problem struggling to get outf>s>c>-- 2nd Law of Blissful Ignorancef>s>c> This message has been edited by deang on 04-14-2002 at 01:41 PM
  15. Deang

    RF-7 for music

    Where do people come up with this stuff? RF7's are too harsh for music huh? Maybe the music is too harsh for the RF7's? You may eventually have to upgrade your front end to get the most out of them -- but for now -- I'm sure they'll do music just fine. Yeesh. ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 Class A Triode Amp S. Frontiers/Anthem CD-1 Sonic Frontiers Line 1 Marantz DV-7010 Klipsch RF7's Klipsch LF-10 MIT/Monsters Toshiba 36"f>s> Inside every small problem is a large problem struggling to get outf>s>c>-- 2nd Law of Blissful Ignorancef>s>c> This message has been edited by deang on 04-13-2002 at 09:17 PM
  16. Harman Kardon I haven't heard anything negative doesn't surprise me that your YAMAHA dealer, who does not carry Harman Kardon -- has Harman Kardon horror stories ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 Super Amp Sonic Frontiers Line 1 Sony SCD-C555ES Marantz DV-7010 Klipsch RF7's Klipsch LF-10 MIT/Monsters Toshiba 36"f>s> Inside every small problem is a large problem struggling to get outf>s>c>-- 2nd Law of Blissful Ignorancef>s>c>
  17. You need Boa -- you'll find him faster at the Home Theater Forum section. You might want to repost there. I'm assuming you have a multi speaker setup and have read the manual ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 Super Amp Sonic Frontiers Line 1 Sony SCD-C555ES Marantz DV-7010 Klipsch RF7's Klipsch LF-10 MIT/Monsters Toshiba 36"f>s> Inside every small problem is a large problem struggling to get outf>s>c>-- 2nd Law of Blissful Ignorancef>s>c> This message has been edited by deang on 04-13-2002 at 04:15 PM
  18. I don't think you're off topic -- and I know what you mean. Give me high distortion tubes and wimpy Klipsch towers ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 Super Amp Sonic Frontiers Line 1 Sony SCD-C555ES Marantz DV-7010 Klipsch RF7's Klipsch LF-10 MIT/Monsters Toshiba 36"f>s> Inside every small problem is a large problem struggling to get outf>s>c>-- 2nd Law of Blissful Ignorancef>s>c>
  19. congratulations with the KG's still in the house it looks like you were due for an upgrade anyway she'll get over it -- mine always does ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 Super Amp Sonic Frontiers Line 1 Sony SCD-C555ES Marantz DV-7010 Klipsch RF7's Klipsch LF-10 MIT/Monsters Toshiba 36"f>s> Inside every small problem is a large problem struggling to get outf>s>c>-- 2nd Law of Blissful Ignorancef>s>c>
  20. Kevin, The question is why do the Sound & Vision specs differ so greatly from the manufacturer specs. The answer must be related to setup. The 'average' user is not going to pull their speakers three feet from the back wall and 2 or more feet from the side walls. Most people just don't have that luxury. 99% of the people buying these things have them next to home entertainment centers, practically against the back wall, and fairly close to at least one corner. It may just be that Klipsch has them close to the back wall when they take their measurements. As an owner of RF-7's, perhaps you have made in room measurements that you could share, along with specifics as to placement, level, etc. It is not possible for me to take in room measurements because I do not have any test equipment. I have just never felt the need to do it. I do have a friend with a warble tone generator and a SPL meter. I may have him come over next week and see what we can come up with. I'm a conscientious audiophile only in the sense that I read tons, and take alot of time trying to get the most out of my system. I haven't given specifications any serious consideration since I threw my last copy of Stereo Review into the trash. My RF7's are 32" off the back wall and 27" in from the side walls. The bass sounds 'natural' to me without any 'undue emphasis'. When I want 'undue emphasis' I turn up my LF-10. I think comparing your RB5 graph with the Sound & Vision graph does at least show that the fellow who measured the RB5 had them placed in such a way that they did in fact output as much at 30 hz in that placement as the RF7's did the way Sound & Vision had them placed. Yep. The RF-7's do not exhibit the slow, plodding bass I am accustomed to hearing from most towers. There is also no boominess in the low end. The bass is always tight and well articulated. It may be that the lack of extreme output at the lower frequencies may in fact account for the cleaniness of the bass and lower midrange. I neither consider the bass of the RF7's to be underwhelming nor overwhelming -- just there. Since I am practically impossible to please -- and I like them so very much -- I can only assume they are perfect. It will however, be interesting to see how Klipsch responds. Super_BQ I wouldn't worry too much about someone 'giving' you a set of RF7's. Now, don't you feel better? At any rate, I have heard many a speaker that specs out great -- but sounds horrible. cc1091 ...show them the RP series, then switch the customer over to the RF-3 and tell them this model is about half the price = sale. It actually surprises you that most people would opt to buy an $800 set of speakers over a $2000 set of speakers? Not to mention you can get a set of RF3's and KSW12 or KSW15 together for alot less than a set of RP3's. Klipsch discontinues the RP series and introduces the RF-5 and RF-7 which look for all the world like RF-3's but larger. Hmmm even their specs are not a lot different. Wow, there's those specs again. You're right, they spec out almost the same -- yet perform and totally different. My subjective listening tests tells me that they don't sound any better than the RF-3, just a little larger and the bad points of the RF-3 are more emphasized. Aw c'mon - you can't possibly be serious. How can you make a comment like that? Your posts usually sound pretty intelligent -- what the hell happened here? I ask, "Why did Klipsch discontinue the RP series?" Because only 1 in 10 preferred them to the RF3's or RB5's with a good sub. ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 Super Amp Sonic Frontiers Line 1 Sony SCD-C555ES Marantz DV-7010 Klipsch RF7's Klipsch LF-10 MIT/Monsters Toshiba 36"f>s> Inside every small problem is a large problem struggling to get outf>s>c>-- 2nd Law of Blissful Ignorancef>s>c> This message has been edited by deang on 04-13-2002 at 05:43 PM
  21. Below is the frequency response graph for the RB5 -- The testing done in this RB5 review reveals the RB5 to be 14db down at 30Hz. So I guess that means the RB5 plays lower than the RF7. Yea, right. Think I'll just keep using my ears. ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 Super Amp Sonic Frontiers Line 1 Sony SCD-C555ES Marantz DV-7010 Klipsch RF7's Klipsch LF-10 MIT/Monsters Toshiba 36"f>s> Inside every small problem is a large problem struggling to get outf>s>c>-- 2nd Law of Blissful Ignorancef>s>c>
  22. don't forget about all this fun stuff!! http://www.onhifi.com/features/20010301.htm http://www.aslgroup.com/dcs/upandover.htm http://www.stereophile.com/showarchives.cgi?344 think I'll go back to a turntable!! ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 Super Amp Sonic Frontiers Line 1 Sony SCD-C555ES Marantz DV-7010 Klipsch RF7's Klipsch LF-10 MIT/Monsters Toshiba 36"f>s> Inside every small problem is a large problem struggling to get outf>s>c>-- 2nd Law of Blissful Ignorancef>s>c>
  23. Deang

    Ouch

    How things change over the course of a few days. Thank God for friends with money! I get to keep the AE-25. I also managed to sell my Anthem CD-1 and will have a Sony c555es on the way in a few days. ------------------ Deanf>s> Cary AE-25 Super Amp Sonic Frontiers Line 1 Sony SCD-C555ES Marantz DV-7010 Klipsch RF7's Klipsch LF-10 MIT/Monsters Toshiba 36"f>s> Inside every small problem is a large problem struggling to get outf>s>c>-- 2nd Law of Blissful Ignorancef>s>c> This message has been edited by deang on 04-10-2002 at 06:33 PM
  24. well, it's no secret here on this board thatI much favor the sound of Reference over Heritage. My 15 watt AE-25 has no problem driving my RF7's to ridiculous levels -- of course, I only sit 8 feet away from the speakers ------------------ S Frontiers/Anthem CD-1f>s> Cary AE-25 SuperAmpf>s> Sonic Frontiers Line 1f>s> Marantz DV-7010f>s> Klipsch LF-10f>s> Klipsch RF7'sf>s> MIT/Monsterf>s> Toshiba 36"f>s> Inside every small problem is a large problem struggling to get outf>s>c>-- 2nd Law of Blissful Ignorancef>s>c>
  25. List for $1200 Sell for $1050 ------------------ S Frontiers/Anthem CD-1f>s> Cary AE-25 SuperAmpf>s> Sonic Frontiers Line 1f>s> Marantz DV-7010f>s> Klipsch LF-10f>s> Klipsch RF7'sf>s> MIT/Monsterf>s> Toshiba 36"f>s> Inside every small problem is a large problem struggling to get outf>s>c>-- 2nd Law of Blissful Ignorancef>s>c>
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