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the 5800 do have some some swivel adjustment but the copper colored driver is fixed. They also have treble / bass switches to provide some sound tailoring. they match well with my RF-35's and RC-35.

I have the 5800's and love them. I know there are other series of in-walls, but these are the ones I have and couldn't be happier. In my system the fronts are RF-35's with RC-35 center, usign the 5800's as surround/rears on the opposite wall of my family room. SVS cylinder sub in one corner along the outside wall. Denon AVR-1804 drives the system in 5.1. My room is an open cathedral ceiling type of floor plan and this setup sounds great. These speakers are very realistic when called upon for surround duty. I used advice from Michael Colter when installing these, loosely summarized below, assumes installation into an existing wall. Push fiberglass insulation as far down the space between the wall studs below your cut-out as you can. Same approach for the space above the cutout. Same approach for the space directly behind the speaker, give or take wall thickness and insulation thickness. Using a squeeze tube of silicone caulk, put a bead of caulk as far up and down the space inside the wall as you can reach, on all drywall / stud joints. To help fish the speaker wires to the cut-outs for the speakers, I cut out holes at the height of wall outlets and used them to grab the wires and route to the speaker cut-out holes higher up on the wall. These holes are easilly covered with a blank outlet plate cover. For in-wall wiring, I went with Belden twisted pairs, check Blue Jeans Cables for pricing in bulk, unterminated, Belden 5000 series in 12 gauge in-wall rated is what I think I used. http://www.bluejeanscable.com/index.htm http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/speaker/index.htm Hope this helps, I'm thinking anything in the 5800 or related series will sound great. My wife was ecstatic when she found out I had not installed the RS-35's but had bought the 5800 in-walls instead. Someday I should probably sell the RS-35's, they have not gotten much use.

Wanted to possibly take the rear passive out and take a peek inside, the front mounted speakers were an after-thought. These are mid-90's vintage, but I guess that's still pushing 20 years. Soundlng less like an enjoyable undertaking. What is used to replace any gasketting in the event that any of the the front or rear speakers/horns have to be taken out? Is this a Heritage line problem, or just Forte II's?

Any special care or knowledge needed to remove and install the front facing three speaker/horns and the rear facing passive? Gaskets, sealant, torque values.....? Do the rear passives have inserts to hold the phillips head screws? Same questions for the panel with the input terminals. Any responses or insight appreciated!

I've had RF-35's and RC-35 setup for some years now, drive it with a Denon 90W per channel receiver. In-wall R-5800's and and SVS sub. Hard to beat in sound and punch for the price you're showing. Have RS-35's but wife freaked when she realized they would be mounted to the family room back wall, hence the R-5800's. This series sounds very good and in the price range you are showing would provide a lot of enjoyment.

Thanks for the replies. Thought I had a lead on some Forte's which might have been factory stained birch, which was a big unknown for me. Turns out they are oiled walnut, much more standard finish.

Some plywood and finish questions if anyone has knowledge / experience. Anyone seen Heritage with birch factory stained treatment instead of veneer? I've seen pictures here of raw birch LaScalla's and Cornwalls. Is the birch plywood used for raw birch, or stained birch cabinets the same as what is used for veneered cabinets?

Are Forte II grills attached with Velcro? What is the best way to get them off? thanks -

I have Forte I in my basement "man area", unfinished mostly so does not qualify for man cave status. Have them about 3 feet from the nearest concrete foundation wall, firing into a mainly open basement area at least 25 feet wide and at least 40 feet long. Certainly not an optimum listening room but I have tried them toed in and straight ahead relative to a listening position. They work for me just straight on, no toe in. I get a good soundstage and sound as best as you can expect with a non-optimum open area listening area. I've tried them toed in and just did not seem to work all that well. Bottom line is to spend time with them in various positions and with your listening position also in various spots to get a feel for your room / space. Your room / space will drive what is best for you.

I have RF-35 front mains, RC-35 center and R-5800 in-walls on the facing rear wall for surrounds. R-5800s are great. They are sleepers until called upon then you know they are in the room!

Thanks to everyone for the comforting thoughts, I really do very much appreciate them. Though I have met only a few on this forum in person, over the years, I feel a connection that is hard to describe, to some extent from reading of your life experiences such as my own. As an electrical engineer, I get a kick out of reading about mods to amps and speakers, drool over pics of amazing equipment, and enjoy my own systems as I find time (and as my wife lets me! Wuzzer, the Fortes are under the kitchen, so there are times when playing them is not a good thing, they don't understand "low volume" very well......). It's all fun, but it's not important. Peace to all this Easter week as we reflect on that.. He is risen.

Try NeedleDoctor on-line. Friend at work had most accurate interchanges with Patrick as I recall. Give them a shout.

You will enjoy these discs. I bought the set soon after it came out, stereo. Thanks for the mini-docs info, I have put off listening/watching those, must schedule it in for a Saturday morning time slot. The notes with the CDs are enlightening. I have always wondered why surround sound versions of these albums have not been produced. From what I recall in the CD notes, the multi-track recording process basically produced a final master which had overlayed previous "master" tracks, in other words there ain't no goin' back. I have the surround sound LOVE album and it is very cool, also have the LP but have not opened it yet. Surround and back to stereo, go figure. McCartney continues to tour and produce new music. His concert in New York for the new baseball stadium is one of my favorite concert videos, poignant moment for George and Paul's uke tribute for "Something". Ringo has continues to tour and issue albums. Read recently that Joe Walsh is on Ringo's latest album, they are brother-in laws, small world..... Echo your sentiments for John. As with many voices "back in the day", we will never know how his art would have evolved, it was just beginning........... For George, the "Concert for George" DVD tearfully reminds us of his contributions and potential. By the end of the DVD, if you grew up with this music, you feel both the connnection and the loss, very bittersweet. I have to wonder if these remastered CDs will become vinyl offerings in the future, and how they would survive the transfer to the analog medium. I continue to see Abbey Road in vinyl as a new LP in several on-line and local audio outlets, around $15, may have to pick it up just to experience the thrill of analog Beatles again, all my Beatles records are long gone. They don't make 'em like that anymore..........................................................................................................................................................

My mother passed away this weekend, today was the funeral. She was 90 years old and would have been 91 in a couple of weeks. That's a lot of years. I've been reflecting on the various stories she told over the years, sometimes they were "repeats" as the onset of dementia and Alzheimers progressed. What I would give for one of those stories now, repeat or not. As her care needs gradually exceeded our ability to safely meet her needs, Mom required nursing home care. Seeing someone you love realizing that her sunset is turning to night is difficult, especially as their perception changes from week to week. Mom became a joyful presence to her fellow "residents", as her days counted down. She is greatly missed. We are fortunate to have a pastor as a family member, father-in law of one of my children and a close family friend. After the evening visitation last night, he asked if he could borrow Mom's Bible overnight and see if she had marked any passages or used it to store any special cards, notes, etc. It was a treasure trove of insight into her spiritual journey and provided the basic outline of his message at today's service. Faith in God, firm hope for life everlasting thru Jesus the Lord, basic truths which cannot be shaken. Quite a moving service. Hearts were touched. Mom's work to help and reach out to her family and beyond her family, continues. We are truly blessed. Tonight I am listening to the on-line stream of what used to be the St. Louis classical music station, KFUO-99.1 FM. The link is below. This week focuses on pieces for the Easter season, however, the music is always good. I have Forte's down in my very rough basement "man space". The basement is not finished so can't really call it a man cave. Drive them with a 100 Watt Onkyo receiver from a thrift store find a couple years ago. These are Wuzzer's Forte's. They cook. But tonight, the computer 2.1 Pro-media system seems quite sufficient to close out the day with classic music of the season, memories and hope for the future. Link below. Enjoy and God Bless. http://www.classic99.com/

I've been tracking prices of this DVD for a couple years, expecting to find it on Amazon or at Walmart or at Best Buy on sale. Well, finally saw it on Amazon recently for around $15 so grabbed it, added another disc to the order to get free shipping, seemed like a good deal. Last time I saw this in a store, it seems like it had a nice cardboard slip cover and appeared to be of a "recent" vintage. This disk is packaged in a standard plastic DVD case, no slip cover, artwork looks like I remember on the front, but something just bothers me about the packaging. Have not opened the item yet. Going back to the Amazon listing for this item, it is billed as the "1994" disc for this title. Hmmmm. Considering returning it, wanted to see if anyone else has this "version" of the DVD. The number at the bottom of the cover spine is B0004377-09. The back cover notes copyright 1994. Does anyone have a newer version? Anyone have this version? Any differences? Interesting side note, I checked at Walmart and could not find their music video DVD section anymore. Then went to local Best Buy, the entire CD and music video section appeared to be very sparse. Neither store had this title. This was a couple weeks ago, so it seems that holiday shopping affects on store stock would have been replenished. Anyone else note a shift in this type of product availability at big box stores?

I run R-5800 in-walls for the surround L/R speakers in my 5.1 setup. They match very well with RF-35 towers in the front. Not sure if they are still in production, but very happy with them.'

Thanks for all the replies and perspectives, much appreciated. David, I've had the same thoughts about the cartridge alignment as it currently sits. When I had the table lubed and reburbed a couple years ago, the shop installed a new eliptical stylus on the Stanton. Not sure if they removed the cart to do that, if they aligned it afterwards, etc. From what I remember when I installed it 30+ years ago I did not perform a special alingment. So, possibly time to look into that regardless of a cartridge upgrade. Wayne, good to hear from ya. Yes, your table both sounded fine, I recall the Planar but possibly you played the Edgar Winter album on the B&O on my second visit to your place, been awhile. Not much California travel these days, hope all is well. One thing I found on one of the on-line audio sales sites was a metal alignment "gauge" which sets on the platter, hole for the spindle, various lines and marks and a dimple to set the stylus into for the final alignment. Costs $50. Reading the operator manuals for several Thorens tables as downloads from their site, I found the same template in one of the manuals towards the back of the document. I'm guesing that something like this is required to do the actual cartridge alignment, have to research this some more. Again, thanks for the ideas and feedback, my journey continues! Listening to a re-issue of Heart's album with Crazy On You, etc., right now, found it for a buck in super condition at a used record store. For one dollar, cartridge alignment not that important. For reissues of Cat Stevens and Neil Young albums at $30-35 a pop, more concern!

OK, some clarifications, should have taken more time with this post, sorry for confusion. I do not plan to use a multiple album spindle. The Dual only has one vertical tracking angle adjustment (VTA), it is for using the splndle or at least to provide an alternate tracking angle if you are using the spindle. My point was only that the Dual does not have an independent VTA adjustment. Not much point in buying expensive new vinyl just to drop the records onto each other. So, single play only. The tables I've looked at on-line with VTA seem to be few and far between. The sites I've looked at include Acoustic Sounds, Elusive Disc, Needle Doctor. Even checked Amazon. For budget planning, yes, I understand the need to map out where I want to wind up and balance my future system. At this point, table without cartridge under $500, auto, with VTA. Possibly Shure M97 series or something similar that has good reputation with the table that I buy. Other system components like pre-amp and main amp will have to wait, at this point I have only stereo receivers on hand with phono inputs. So, looking for feedback on automatic tables with VTA that is actually an adustment, not just a two point setting like my Dual. Primary reason I'm considering a new table is to accomodate the thicker vinyl and also upgrade to a newer table and cartridge. Of course, if I just ignore VTA and hope I'm not damaging my new vinyl, the Dual is fine. thanks -

I have a Dual 1229 with a Stanton 680 EE cart. Both are from the early 70's. After a 15 year or so vinyl hiatus, I recently had the table lubed and new stylus installed in the Stanton. I've been happily occaisionally cleaning and listening to some of my surviving old LPs and recent thrift store finds that are not in bad shape and clean up well. So a couple months ago, I decide to buy a couple of remastered new vinyl albums. These are 180 gram thicker albums. Reading up on this, my tone arm is probably not setup optimally for these thicker albums. The Dual does not have a true vertical tracking angle (VTA) adjustment. Bummer. It has a feature for playing a stack of albums with the multi-album spindle adapter, but reading up on that I find that this mechanism is prone to failure from years of non-use, i.e., use at your own risk. Double bummer. I'm running an Onkyo two channel 100 Watt receiver that was found at a thrift store for cheap in great condition. It has a phone input stage. It's driving Forte I speakers (bought these from Wuzzer fall 2010, they sound very nice). So, I don't have a super pre-amp and amp setup and my speakers are efficient Klipsh. My investment at this point for everything including the Dual refurb is under $700. I'm looking at options for my new vinyl habit, which is expensive but sure sounds better than most 50 cent records from Goodwill. Concerned that without a turntable VTA adjustment, I'm damaging these new records. Checking several on-line sources for turntables, I see the usual suspects. Project. Music Hall. Clearaudio. Rega. Thorens. Some come with a cartridge, some do not. Most are manual, few are automatic (only some of the Thorens from a cursory search). Most have belts versus direct drive. Reviewing my listening habits, a manual table does not seem like a good fit. I like to hit the Start switch and know that the tone arm will cycle back to rest when the record has been completely played. The thought of manually queing start and stop just does not grab me. Then there is direct drive versus belts. These newer table have all sorts of configurations for the motors, belts, power supply units, etc. My idea of fun is not fumbling with belts to change from 33 1/3 to 45 RPM, even if I only do that every blue moon. Give me a switch or a pushbutton to do that. And power supplies for a turntable? Sounds like future obsolete part that is custom to the table. So, some questions for my two channel brethren. Most new Thorens tables are autmatic, and price does not seem too outrageous for a fairly decent table. Anyone have experience with new Thorens products verus old units? I've read some reviews that are less than flattering. Other than Thorens, what are my options? There are vaious DJ tables that are probably automatic. I've not searched very far beyond Thorens for automatic tables, could use some suggestions. Talking available new tables. At some point, I may have the finances to expand into a pre-amp and amp setup. Whatever I decide to get now should be suitable for that possible upgrade path. Any thoughts appreciated.

Disc Doctor and various others brush and cleaner fluids. Turn the volume to zero and clean away. I've never thought about what affect leaving the volume turned up can have, the resulting noise usually reminds me for quite awhile not to do dat again. I don't run tubes but seems like setting volume to zero is a good practice. It's funny getting all of these cleaners and various doo-dads now for my vinyl second childhood. Back in the day my typical method was to blow on the stylus and if really dirty knock the grunge off with my finger. Now I know better, but not sure the music sounds any better.

I'll throw in two thoughts. First, for on-line purchases, be aware of authorized sellers and e-tailers which are not authorized by Klipsch to sell their products. If you want a Klipsch warranty, from what I've read an unauthorized e-tailer is a dead end. Bears some research. Second, my main home theater system is not the highest Klipsch model line but I chose it based on listening to other systems like Infinity and similar brands several years ago. The Klipsch were much more efficient and brighter. Just as a data point, if a used set of Reference line speakers pops up near you, don't turn up your nose because they are used. You may find that even listening to a set of used speakers which have been well cared for and setup in a room with care for placement and soundstage can be a positive factor in you speaker selection. And, a killer deal on a system that someone has enjoyed and is now selling may ease your budget considerations. Also, for the right price, used may be sellable without taking a bath down the road. Just a thought. Good luck in your search and welcome to the forum.

Jeff Beck, Live at Ronnie Scott's, BD.

I always stay for the absolute END of a movie at a theatre, some surprises and gems. My favorite at home is actually the music to the entire end credits of Pirates of the Carribean, in 5.1 (DVD, don't have the Blu Ray or the decoders....), the short film clip at the end is a treat!

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Moody Blues Boxed set all the albums into mid-70's Elton John GBYBR