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I think Mike is running Cary (?) tube amps on both sides. He's running a push/pull 2A3 setup. I don't know how many watts he's got per channel. No clue about Ralph in London although I seem to recall he did post pics of his setup. No clue about Dean... probably a bose wave radio, with slightly modified outputs? [A] Bob has stated (via what I copied/posted of his comments) on the first page of this thread. He's running about 100 wpc on the bass bins and 50 wpc on the HF, both class A. I'm running solid state dbx BX-1 amp, bridged to about 450x2 wpc on the bass horn. My plug ugly K-402 is being fed with a McIntosh MC-2102 (tubed at 100x2 wpc) I've been debating on trying (again) an SE-OTL amp for my K-402 but not so sure how I'd deal with the huge disparity between it at 4 wpc and the power available to the bass. As it is, I gotta say my setup sounds pretty darn good (as I'm SURE the others do...especially Dean's to be, with the bose radio setup [6]) If you want it at live levels I'm sure all can provide that simply because of the Jubilees abilities. If you want to REALLY snap the pants on your legs, well... c'mon over. [Y] ps: if you want to continue yesterday's attempt, I'm at the office now

Tom, I'm sorry things might not have worked out like you would have hoped in the best of worlds, however...whenever I've been in a 'bad situation' (however it may be defined), a passage of an old Moody Blues song always comes to my mind. "Every happy ending, needs to have a start" (Moody Blues: You can never go home, Every Good Boy Deserves Favour) With me remembering that specific line, regardless of what has befallen me, I've always been able to gather things up and get things rolling again. I DO think it's a very correct statement. It's only in hindsight that we might realize that we've had a happy ending and be able to reflect back as to where it might have started. For your Cornwalls and other goodies... You're not too far from me. C'mon up & give the Jubilees a listen. You just might not miss them Cornwalls much after you replace them with their bigger (plug ugly) brothers! If your avatar means you've got a streetbike, come along springtime weather, it might be a beautiful drive to come my way. As I'm sure you probably know by seeing it done for others... it's a sincere offer. []

Check your PM's. I do not know what his asking price might be. I've sent you his email address and you two can discuss.

He/she didn't even acknowledge my invitation. Seems to me a sincere hearted thread creator might have at minimum said, thanks for the offer? Oh well...their loss, my gain. Wife always goes into frantic "clean the house, dust the attic, cut the yard, mulch the garden, polish the silverware" mode when ever anyone comes over so it just cut out a ton of preparation work I'd have to do.

Sooooooooooooooo, no more comments about your ear lobes ? [] [6]

Shawn might be able to confirm, but I think he bought the 510 horns alone and NOT any drivers. I seem to recall him being surprised that all three came in a single box, probably stacked inside one another. (just a guess)

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Joe, Congrats on the SE-OTL's and sorry to hear about the gall bladder attack (yeouch). My guess is you will love their sound as long as you (obviously) keep the volume in their range. As an aside, in the event you DON'T like them and later consider selling them, I might ask that you keep me in mind. (not trying to be a vulture...well... ok, maybe I am [6]) I keep finding myself reminded how I liked their sound and a pang of intrigue as to how they'd sound powering that plug ugly K-402... Hopefully you will post your thoughts on them, regardless of the outcome (although I'll bet you'll love them).

Rick, where do you live and...uh... never mind [A]

Ok Panties in a Sandy Wad Boy, (that's French for Heretic [] ) Why and what the dickens do you mean!!?? []

Welcome Bob!! Glad you decided to jump into the foray. Hopefully you'll stick around a bit & give everyone your ongoing thoughts as you have them (Jubilees) a bit longer... even if it's another week [] We're not TOO cantankerous around here... well, except for Colter, MAS, and Roy. You'll find that Parrot is one of the more staunch Jubilee asthetics supporters! [] (you know, a slight typo there and it would have sounded like I said "Parrot is one of the more staunch athletic supporters [:$])

You're interested in taking my dogs for a walk outside? []. Pick a date and as a bonus for taking them out in the field, we'll let ya assault your eyes & ears with them big plug ugly K402's.

Ok Dudeeeeee... your price range is in the ballpark...you already like the older Klipsch "Heritage" sound. Once more and then I'll shut up. You owe it to yourself since you like your current Klipsch speakers, to perhaps listen to the pinnacle they have to offer for home use. Go to 2 channel & look up Bob's comments on the pair he just received http://forums.klipsch.com/forums/thread/880982.aspx Do a search on Jubilee and grab a cup of coffee & read. Are they monsters? yes Are they pretty? Depends on who you listen to. I happen to love the look of them. Do they sound fantastic? utterly Do they STEP all over a Khorn, LaScala, Belle, Cornwall and Heresy? absolutely (at least in my room they do) You need to nab Phil Mays and you two need to jaunt over for a day's listening. Heck, I can even put you up for an evening if you want to. (might force you to walk my dogs in the field as 'payment'. Don't worry though, they only chew shoes [] ) It's a serious offer. There have been three pair now sold to people who had NEVER HEARD them. One pair to Washington State, another to Ohio and finally... (and how cool is this?) London, England!!! Ralph in London bought them solely on the reputation of the company and his knowledge of LaScalas/Khorns and their sound. Mike & I cheated with ours... we had an audition. You are invited to give them a workout, what ever you want to listen to, how ever quiet or loud. If they don't impress the dickens out of you, then nothing will. Feel free to PM me with phone number and I'd be happy to go into more details. Beyond that, I wish you luck in your search, what ever it takes you to. [Y]

Rigma has his 402's atop his Khorns (while he finishes his clones) I think there will be a hole in the sound as the 402 is crossed over at 500 hz and I think the 400/401 crosses at 400. The 402 (which is the BIG one we saw in Hope) WILL nicely match LaScalas and Belle's. The fact that the K402 is taller & wider than the LaScala is tall & wide shoudn't intimidate you!! Here's Rigma's pics http://www.jubilation.ws/ You will see just how big a 402 is on top of a Khorn

Phooey on that action!!! Therm... I'm several hours from you (Knoxville, TN) C'mon over & listen to the flagship before you plunk 5K on anything. For a bit more you can have something that will make you wet your drawers (and you can audition them first too)

check your pm's

Total known owners (including Dean) Myself-active Dx-38 Mike-active Dx-38 Ralph-active Dx-38 6foot8 (no idea) Bob-active Dx-38 DeanG-passive Does that make Dean a passive aggressive?

He actually called Klipsch direct, got ahold of Colter. Said he had Khorns and wanted to upgrade them. I think Michael told him about the Jubilees and gave Bob my name as well as me his so we could talk in some more detail. The rest as they say... is history. [Y]

Weve got a new Jubilee owner. His name is Bob and he lives in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Washington state. Prior to his purchase, he told me he wasnt the kind to chat much on forums. Over the process of him debating, ordering, waiting and now receiving his Jubilees, weve talked on the phone and emailed back/forth a bit. Im sure hes also done the same with Mike/Dean amongst possibly others. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> I asked Bob if it was ok if I cut/pasted his comments on the forum just in case anyone down the road does a search on it and finds someone elses comments interesting reading. Clearly some of his comments are responding to me but I wanted to keep it simply to his comments. I think you can get the gist of what his feelings are without any of my blatherings interrupting him. So, here are his comments...he makes some interesting points (IMHO) Oh, and Bob, if you DO read this... welcome to the club. 2/28/2007 go figure, because of the snow the delivery truck got tied up. They can't deliver now until Friday afternoon! Bummer. 3/2/2007 11:49 AM They are up and running. They shipped them with K-1132 drivers instead of K-69 drivers by mistake. I'll have to wait for the correct drivers. The K-1132 are a more aggressive driver made for behind the screen use. I'll get this straight in a week or so. First impression was terrible. I was ready to take pictures and put them on ebay! The bass was one note and lacked definition and had a distinct boom. I remember years ago when I first unpacked my K-horns, my wife and I wondered how could we have made such a poor choice. That's 'till they broke in. Then there was no looking back. The Jubs have been on now for about 7 hours and they are sounding MUCH better. I have moved them away from the rear and side walls a bit which has reduced the coupling and the one note sound is all but gone. They are still slightly muddy but improving. I can't give a accurate opinion of the 402s yet because I don't have the k-69s. One thing I have noticed for sure, the K-horns play deeper, but the Jubilee bass boxes have far more output. I will have to do some eq work here but I'll wait until I have the speakers set up right. I can now see the potential and I am sure they will end up better than perfect when I'm done. I'll keep you posted. 3/3/2007 10:26 AM Opinion update. Even though I have the wrong driver on the 402's I have to say they absolutely are far superior to the K-horn mid/high. Not even close! The Jub bass section has far more bass and lots of impact but I don't think they have the magic of properly set up K-horn bass sections in corners. More to follow, I have yet to do any testing or EQ, just ME and my speakers breaking in as I move them around (away from walls). I won't do any PEQ until I get the K-69 drivers installed. 3/3/27 11:49 AM The jubs image far better than the K-horns, much more defined. Part of that could be due to the ability to position the speakers. I do notice a 'slight' bit of grain from the EV DX28 that I didn't have before on analog sources. That is not the fault of the speakers but because of other tradeoffs it's worth it. The lack of the 4.5/6.0 Khz K-horn crossovers between the mids and the highs is very pronounced, it is most noticeable when listening to female vocals, seamless! The EV crossover at 500 Hz can't be heard to my ears. Nice presentation, very nice. I never realized how much I could hear the K-horn crossovers until now. I won't miss them. I can only compare the seamless transitions from bass to highs to headphones. Any buyers remorse on my part? At this time, No, not a bit. 3/3/27 12:46 PM Yes, Klipsch knows about the driver screw up. Chuck M. is shipping the proper drivers on Monday. They will arrive next Friday. Unfortunately I will be out of town for a few days so they will have to wait until Sunday to be installed. A simple swap is all it is. My wife has had many years of live classical music. I listen to her opinions as she has shared my hobby and my speakers with me since 1972 when we first met. She has heard them all! Her comment is that these speakers make an instrument sound better than life. Her example is that it makes a student violin sound like a Strad. 3/3/2007 1:01 PM No it's a tweeter, it has the same frequency range as the K-69. It's more aggressive by design and meant for behind the screen applications. The nice thing about this is that I have the opportunity to hear it both ways. 3/3/2007 1:40 PM I will never, unless given no choice, use another passive crossover! I could not even imagine using a passive on these speakers. Dean W. needs to know this. I did biamp my K-horns for a bit with the EV DX38 just for kicks and it worked well, but it really comes to life with the Jub's. 3/3/2007 1:54 PM You know, I thought K-horns were excellent with percussion. These speakers are enough to make you go nuts. Amazing. I think it's the bigger than life presentation that does it. Bob P.S. Bass is improving by the hour. 3/3/2007 3:02 PM You will never realize how much you can't hear your passive until you replace it with an active. And then you will know how much you did hear your passive. That's the best way I can put it. 3/3/2007 3:29 PM I have been listening to lots of great music, I have a large collection of well recorded music and I like many styles. I'll give you a top five or more tomorrow. I need more time to answer that question. I am using a Mark Levinson CD player, and a Mark Levinson amp for the tweeter. The bass amp is of my own build. I will replace the Levinson tweeter amp as soon as I find the time to make a replacement. I can design & build my own electronics with out the compromises a profit making company has to suffer. I'm running about 100X2 on the bass and 50X2 on the tweets, all class A bias. I am not using a preamp, just a buffered passive. The bass still improves by the hour. How long did it take your bass sections to come to life? 3/3/2007 5:15 PM I'm a very fussy listener and imaging is what it is all about. I can see and feel my music in my mind as I listen. I CAN ONLY listen in a sweet spot, and the image has to have shape, size, depth and color. It takes good equipment and everything else that goes with it. These speakers are excellent at imaging and that is one of the most important qualities. With out an image I don't care how good a speaker sounds, it's junk. This is one reason why I like to listen to most recorded music over live music, I can have the image from the perspective of the microphone. I doubt many people will hear my speakers, maybe a few friends. I'm out here in the mountains of the Pacific Northwest near the Idaho and Canadian border, I came here for solitude, and I found it. 3/3/2007 6:45 PM My K-horns are for sale! They are upgraded too. The bass is awesome on the Jub's now. No issues or concerns. The Jub's are now jaw dropping enough to cause TMJ (Edit: Temporo-Mandibular Joint disease) to good jaws. 3/4/2007 12:45 PM Basically I'm sending you my thoughts and impressions live as I have them. I'm sorry if I'm boring you with them. BTW: I bought your "Big Phat Band" CD last night. Some nice tracks on that disk. Thanks. When bass drivers are new they are stiff, the surrounds and the spyders need time to break in. It makes them sound as though they have far more mass and therefore muddy. Now that I have been running these speakers for two days I have to say the bass is fantastic. At first I felt that the K-horn bass section had an edge. As far as I'm concerned now the K-horns as wonderful as they are, are not even in the contest in any regard with the Jubilee speakers. Over the years I have always owned K-horns but I have also had large JBL, Large Altec VOT, various planar speakers including electrostatics, high end Tannoys and just about everything else. Nothing and I mean nothing comes even close to the Jub's. I like my music to sound like real music, I like a huge dynamic range, I want to feel the pulse and texture of my music and now I have it in a mind bending quantity. I find that many speakers try to make music sound pretty, soft, sweet and polite, I want it to sound real. I doubt I'll be shopping for speakers again. Period. 3/4/2007 5:21 PM Well, right now I have room in my basement with one pair of K-horns, one pair of Speaker Lab K-horns, one pair of LaScala speakers all for sale. I'll keep the Heresy speakers. I guess I'm going to put them all on ebay, I don't know how else to sell them and it's a pity as my K-horns are nicely upgraded and in awesome condition. My LaScalas are oak. Well, they are outta here.

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I actually tried to see the speakers. They were one of those curved 'array' setups I think they're called? I suppose most manufacturers make that kind of deal? I'm not saying they were EV's but I've seen the curved hanging array by EV before so I was FEARING it was EV (whom I've got a lot of respect for). I was really hoping it wasn't them. By the way, I'm NOT saying that it sounded bad at all. It sounded like a live concert in a venue not really built for sound. I've seen some shows here sound atrocious and I've heard some sound pretty good. I've come to that conclusion before, most notabily when I was probably 19/20 years old. Friend & myself went to see "Boston" in concert. It was right after they hit it big and as best I can recall, their second album wasn't out yet so the volume of their material consisted of that first album. During the show, my friend & myself looked at each other & decided we simply needed to go back to my place and listen to "the concert" where it would sound great (on my LaScalas and EV's). Last night was another conscious thought of "gads, it sounds SO much better at home than here". It might have helped in that I've listened to the DVD that parallels the show we saw last night. Since they're both essentially the same, I am fairly familiar with the sound at home. It absolutley scorches what we heard live, even when putting the volume at the listening position at similar level. I also realized that at home, I'm VERY able to far exceed the SPL level we heard at the live show. Was interesting evening on more than one front.

Maybe if we ask Amy REAL nice, she'll have the search function disabled again? [6]

Yep...looks to me like McIntoshrocker did a search on McIntosh and hit every comment out there. Although it's nice seeing Win's name again, it does seem as though McIntoshrocker dude is incapable of reading dates? Not so sure he shows any interest in Klipsch either seeing as (as best I can tell) 100% of his comments are related to McIntosh threads.