Travis In Austin

Ben, You was right, they done be gone! Anyone from the forum get them? Travis

How did Klipsch101 get his H3's in one week but Thermalup has been waiting 6+ weeks and hasn't gotten his yet? Klipsch101, where did you get your speakers and what finish are they? Travis

Nice Royal (7x7), I have a nice 6x6, but I have never come close to a Royal when it counted. Travis

Seti has decided to keep his Belles, so these Khorns are still for sale. Travis

It is about $10 more per cable to go with Zebra, I am not sure what the difference is on the shipping. I am glad you are doing all of this research for me because I am getting ready to order 4 or 5 sets of IC's based on what you figure out. But don't being going any DIY route, hommey don't play that. Travis

Frankly, I cannot tell a lot from the photos other then it looked like everything was hand done and that there was a lot of care and workmanship that goes into building a set of herigate speakers. I don't know all the facts, never will, I was just commenting that it was not unusual that a dealer might shade things to make a sale, but you indicate that you are fairly confident that the dealer was passing along information exactly as they received it from Klipsch, and if that is the case, I think everyone would agree there has to be improvement in the communications from Klipsch. I am not a big fan of the newer stuff either, but I like stuff like Gerstner tool chests and people say I am crazy because of that. I did buy Klipsch bookshelf speakers to mount on walls in living area that I am quite pleased with. Hopefully Roy is on the issue for you. He seemed to acknowledge pretty clearly that if you were told a date by his company then they need to make good on that statement. I am hoping that he will dig to the bottom and get you an accurate date and that whatever that date is, it is one that you can work with and not leave a bitter taste. I can tell you from my experience in dealing with Klipsch, not the dealer but someone directly at Klipsch, I have always been provided with honest and accurate information. I have not always received the answer I wanted to hear, but it was an honest response. I am 47 this year, I wish I have money in the 70's when there was 3 stocking dealers within 10 mins of me. Two dealers had at least one pair of everything in the line. I too am frustrated that there is no where to go to see/hear heritage. I posted an inquiry about a year ago asking if there were any stocking heritage dealers in Texas, and to my surprise there were none. Colter, and employee of Klipsch, recently put up a poll asking forum members if there were any stocking dealers in their area, trying to see what the situation was and what, if anything, could be done about it. Quad, for years, were great speakers make in the UK, are not being made in China, and almost everyone says with much better quality then what they were putting out of the UK plant the last couple of years of operation. Quad was forced to outsource production in order to survive. Even Gerstner, a company that is all about hand made, of the highest quality, has even gone to a second line of "Gerstner International" that are made overseas. You can still get the original USA made, but at double to triple the price. Clearly the factory should never give out false estimates. If the wait is 6 months, it's 6 months. Absent some unforseen occurance, wood shortage, labor strick (doubtful in Ark.), weather, etc. I agree that a manufactuer should be able to give a reasonable delivery date on their product. I am still not clear what the actual amount of delay is looks like at this point. From what I can tell you were told 4 to 6 weeks, but it looks like it will be another 4 to 6 weeks on top of that? Or is it even longer? Regardless, they need to give accurate estimates. I mentioned ordering a media crendenza from Diamond Case in California, and being terribly disapointed when the salesman told we that the model I wanted would be a 10 to 12 week wait, plus a week or two to ship it out. I was impressed with the quality I made the decision it was worth the wait. They made it within the time frame given. If they told me an extra week because of this or that I wouldn't have cared, but I would be pissed too if it was double the time, even more so if I was told something new every week. I didn't expect that to be the case since they charged 1/2 up front and balance upon compleation, which gave them incentive to get the job done. I am not saying you should be patient, I think you are entitled to know when they will be done, and thankfully the person that is working on it for you will be able to give you a straight answer. From there you will have to decide what you are comfortable with. Do you fly gliders? Travis

Don't forget Zebra, a little more money but very nice in the looks department. Travis

That's me for sure, "easily confused."[<)] So are there black pieces on the speakers that are done in high gloss piano finish? Or is the high gloss piano finish also the clear coating they apply over the wood you see in the photos? Travis

I read this after the fact of my prior post.... Yep Steinway makes all the pianos still in Manhattan, warehouse I believe in Brooklyn. It takes 10 years to make a Grand Piano because the curves part of the piano is one piece that takes years to mold and bend into shape. I thought it was LI, but what do I know. I bet speakerfritz would know.

Well at least a DUI/DWI lawyer.[H] Travis

That is some great advice. Do you find that there are many instances Klipsch Heritage speakers have too high of an opening number that they do not get any bids? Travis

James, I forgot about those photos, that is when he still had blue eyes; now deep green. He has mellowed out a lot, but he can still have his moments. Kelly's hands and arms are not nearly so torn up and scratched. He can be scrappy once in awhile, but I like that. I figure better us them the grill cloth-I sure would have to go down for killing a cat. Travis

I take it you were not impressed with those photos of the cornwall III being made?

I sent you an email, Travis

now now...... Remember the laws in america are made to protect the minorities against the majority and vice versa..... The laws are there to protect everyone equally in case one day that you may be arrested. It is a slippery slope if we allow a certain group to be punished much more then what the law states.... It wouldn't be nice to allow the police to beat you up for say a traffic violation as it would not be fair for someone to be killed because the wardened allowed it. What Jay has said, in large part, is true. It is painted with some broad strokes, but this is our constitutional foundation. Criminal law is, in large part, is constitutionaly based, and it is has to work from top to bottom. In other words, the same protections, defenses, rules have to apply to a charge whether it is possession of marijuana, distribution of cocaine, murder, or even sexual assault of a child. The same works for punishment, someone who goes to prison for child molestation has the same right to be free from "Cruel and unusual punishment" as someone convicted of Possession of Marijuana, or bank fraud, or not paying taxes. It is up to the legislature to establish punishment ranges, minimum terms, etc., which is a matter of policy. If you think child molesters in your state have it too easy then that is not the fault of the "criminal justice system" then that is your legislators' fault . A man a lot more eloquent and smarter then me once said: "The true measure of a civilized society is how it treats people accused of crimes." - Winston Churchill I believe that the same can be said oh how a society treats people convicted of crimes. (I am not making any comment one way or the other on the death penalty, I am not even going there). Travis

Shinerman, They have not sold yet "per se" but Seti expressed an interest and is goning over photos, etc. and I am waiting to look at some photos of his Belles. I think we should know by the end of the weekend whether or not Seti is going to go forward or not. Where are you located? Travis

I aint going if Michael isn't going to be there. What's this "probably" business? After last year's date I am sure they scheduled this year around you., we just gotta have Mr. Mountain-O-Klipsch there. Travis

When I saw this post, given my recent discovery of ear damage, I was hoping to hear about some new wonder drug. Guess it will have to do for now. Travis

I think that is the problem I am having, I don't really know where this time frame came from. If, as you say, the dealer was forwarding information from Klipsch, and IF, Klipsch said they would have the product by a certain date, then Klipsch is to blame, and they need to train there people that it is o.k. to let people know that they can only give an estimate as to complition and there are no guarantees. But the purchaser said that he was told by the dealer that it was going to be 4 to 6 weeks, and later the dealer said that Klipsch orginally said it was going to be 3 weeks but the dealer gave a longer estimate to cover themselves. I just don't believe Klipsch would tell any dealer it would be 3 weeks. I could believe "as soon as 3 weeks but up to 12 weeks depending on when the next run is." Somewhere it needed to me made clear that is an estimate and that it could take longer. In 2004 what were you told would be the wait to have the KHorns built? Was there an agreement that they would be delivered to you by a certain date, or were you given a estimate as to when they would be finished. I doubt the dealer in this case "agreed" to any date, according to the buyer they were already doubling the time estimate because they knew there delays. There is no way they would agree to a date, and they would have no authority to bind Klipsch to a delivery date. It is either the buyer's fault for not specifying a delivery date, or the dealer for not making it clear that the time was an estimate. However, who breached what is not the point, the buyer said that the dealer was willing to refund his money or let him purchase something else. So the real question is does the buyer think it worth the wait for Klipsch, or does he punt and go with something else. The dealer and manufacturer are not one, that relationship went out with Bestbuy and the box stores. I do agree with you that the manufacturer is only as strong as it's dealer network and the dealer is only as strong as the brands it carrys. I don't really think it matters why there were delays; is the buyer going to be happy if the reason was they got a bad batch of wood and in order to maintain high quality they rejected it and had to wait for a new batch any more then if he was told that everyone decided to take an extra few days off because the fish were really biting good down at the ole fishing hole? All he knows is that he does not have his speakers. What he needs to know is if the manufacturer is aware of the problem and if he can get accurate information at this point. They are and the man who is on it will only give the straight scoop, even if it is not what the buyer wants to hear. I am really curious as to what kind of estimate you were given in '04 and if the dealer gave you a range or window. I would guess that you were probably told 4 to 6 months depending on the number of orders placed, but just a guess. Travis

I am not sure, I am hoping too. I was all set to go to Hope but had a family emergency at the last moment. A chance to mess with Michael, how could I pass that up? He probably forgot, but he and I were supposed to go to the 500 this year, but that was before he got is killer Fortune 500 job with you know who; so who knows what is in the works with that. I have really good friends in Louisvile, just across the river, and over in Lexington. I have always wanted to tour all of the bourbon makers in KY, that would be a good before or after side trip. Gosh I am talking myself into this more and more. YES I'M GOING. Well maybe, depends on a couple of things and I hope to know for sure early next week. Travis

I don't know about suave, but he has great taste! Yes the cartridges start coming over this weekend, Koetsu, Shelter and Benz, those ones I mentioned at the beginning of this post. I did some more checking and the outputs for Shelter are listed as follows: 501 0.3mv 901 0.5mv 7000 0.5mv 9000 0.6mv The Benz wood body of course comes in 3 output variations, 0.3mv, .8mv or 2.5mv The Koetsus are .4mv. So I am looking forward to trying all of them in one confguration or another, all except that Ureshi that is, think I will just look. Travis

That is where Steinway is made, by hand, the way they have done it for 150 years. Steinway has a furniture line as well, along with furniture care and marble care products. Would not surprise me if they had a a facility that could do finishing for other companies. Who else better do a piano finish then Steinway. Travis

When you said they sent it out to have it done I didn't think it would be just black lacquer. Klipsch has been doing black lacquer forever, there really wouldn't be a need for them to outsource it, but a special piano type finish, which believe is lacquer also, I could easily see them having to go outside the facility. I think there are lot more steps to that finish. Did they say where they sent them to be finished? Travis

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