AngryOrb

Actually, Indy, I went to the Pilgrimage last year (in 2004) and I took the test twice. The first time I got 13 out of 13 correct. Then I found out that the test was set up incorrectly and it made it too easy to distinguish the nuances from the two sets of cables. So, I had to see if I could tell the differences after they corrected the mistake. And... lo and behold... I got 13 out of 13 - again. I'm not saying that I have golden ears, but I was able to tell the cables apart. When I was asked which ones were the better of the two (based on my listening to the ABX), I guessed that correctly also. Maybe it was luck. Maybe it was just that I really tried to hear the difference... or maybe it has something to do with one of my ears having a perforation in the eardrum and it allowed for some variation of the sound to be noticed. I have no clue. But I do know that I was able to "on a consistent basis... really identify a difference". I think there are nuances in the way a cable transmits sound (And I'm no electrical student as you can tell by my words), but it may be so subtle that you really have to pay attention to the audio in certain ranges of sound and be in the right environment. Meaning that if you're playing Classical music you might be able to hear the differences better than you could if you were listening to say a movie or rock music because of all the variations that come in those particular sounds... the range changes so much that your ears often can barely hear words or are shocked with thunders or claps or explosions that they may not have time to adjust to the specifics when trying to distinguish the subtleties in the cables. And let's not forget (depending on the shielding) that even a halogen lamp a few feet away from a receiver can cause a huge amount of interference; and with all that interference, you're definitely not going to hear the subtle differences in the cables... your ears will be fixated on one thing... the humming in the background coming from that lamp. For that matter, you probably wouldn't be able to hear the difference at all in a BB store with hundreds of people talking and music playing in the background. Additionally, it's going to be hard to tell the difference if you're watching a 60 second clip of a movie and you have to restart that 60 second clip to switch to different cables or different speakers! because your ears have adjusted to the sound during the replay of that 60 second clip... and (most importantly) because of any pause or delay between the replay (or even length of audio clip) your ears have most likely forgot what they just heard! Now, if you're lucky enough to sit in a quiet room (as those of us who went to the pilgrimage were able to do), with no halogen lamps, while listening to one entire song of Classical music, playing through one set of speakers, using an ABX box to switch between two sets of cables and! can switch the cable selection remotely and not have to move or restart the song... you're should be able to hear some difference when you press that A or B button. There is not a doubt in my mind. The reason I say this is because there is no delay from what you heard to what you are hearing. And since most classical music or drawn out notes can be switched easily before the notes change, your ears can more easily distinguish the nuances over having to get up and disconnect or having to restart what you just heard. Again... your ears can forget what they heard just a few seconds ago. So... I think it is possible to hear differences in cables, as long as the test is done in the right environment. If you can't hear a difference, no big deal. In the end, it comes down to your preference or - more accurately - perception of what sounds best. Other than that, it doesn't matter how much you spend on the cables if they don't sound any better to you (the person listening). Just my copper wire opinion. Angry<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

I took the ABX test also - before and after the mess up. On my first attempt, I asked if I was hearing different speakers when I switched to A or B. I don't remember the man's name who was running the test, but he said "No." So, I went along with it and got 12 of 12 correct. I also picked the Kimber cable, when I tested initially, but I'm sure it's because I had no idea that the speakers were out-of-phase. I just picked what sounded better... the wires that were in-phase. So that may not have been the best scenario for me to pick which cables I thought sounded better. Anyway, after I left the room, someone came and told me that the speakers were out-of-phase and that was the reason I was able to get 12 of 12 correct. So, I decided to try it again - with the speakers in-phase. I figured "Well, why not? I have nothing to lose and I really want to see if I can tell a difference." The sound was obviously different from before and it was definitely harder to distinguish which was which, but I was still able to detect a slight variance from A to B. And after doing another 12 tests, I got 12 of 12 correct, again. I'm not saying I'm all that. I'm just saying that I took it before and after the out-of-phase mishap and I was able to get 100% both times. I'm glad that I took the test again because now I do know that I have the ability to distinguish slight variances in the cabling... And as tmyhog said - in a way that sucks because now I may have to spend the money on better cabling. Or just stick with my current Monster cables and leave it be. It sounds good enough to me. All in all, I had a good time on the tour and I was able to meet a few of you Klipschers. Many thanks to Klipsch for putting this on. Angryrb

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---------------- On 5/28/2004 9:24:27 AM HDBRbuilder wrote: If there is NO guaraantee, then is use of gold-plated connectors primarily for the advantage of eliminating corrosion/oxidation resistance possibilities on the steel connector, with no other guaranteed advantage? Just wondered! ---------------- Interesting! to say the least... which I did. Angryrb

---------------- On 5/26/2004 4:12:40 PM dbflash wrote: I have been more disappointed upgrading equipment then I have been with cables. Danny ---------------- I totally agree with all of what you said, Danny. Do what sounds best to you. Heck, most stores have a 30-day money back guarantee anyway. Try them and see if you like them. If not, you have a receipt don't you? Oh, and I've never tried those Rocky Mountain Oyster things either. Angryrb

Champagne taste beer budget: I often use http://www.imdb.com to do research on movies. In my opinion DTS is always better, but not many companys are putting DTS tracks on their movies because of the amount of information it takes up on a DVD. IMDB says that there is a DTS version out there (Redux - 2001 release). So, if I were you and wanted the better version, I would look at this one. I have yet to get it. I'll now go hang my head in shame... OK, after I'm done watching ROTK. And, NO, I didn't buy it. Angryrb

Hello, All! I agree that there will be a big buzz about this movie for the next few days because of it's epic proportion, but I doubt I will be running out and buying it because... Well, because... Well, I don't know why, but I'm surprised that the studios are doing what they are doing about marketing and sales with movies nowadays. Case in point: All of the LOTR movies have been coded in DD-EX 5.1 for the Theatrical versions, right? Now, the Extended versions are coded in DTS-ES 6.1 sound. And, of course the BDBM version (gift set) with the figurines. So, buy now or buy later? Hmm... Additionally, they have done the same thing with Saving Private Ryan's re-release for the 60 Anniversary of D-Day. They've released one 2-disc set with DD 5.1 and a BDBM version that has two additional documentaries and includes the DTS audio tracks. So, of course, I will run out and pay the extra money for the DTS version, right? Most likely... But the question is: Do these marketing gurus plan on me running out and buying both versions only to have or not have a few minutes more audio that indulges my DD-EX taste now and DTS-ES taste later? Is this in some freakish sense contributing to the ear-gasm addictions of a newbie audiophile? In my opinion the DTS-ES 6.1 sound is much cleaner and better to listen to and I'd prefer to wait till the Extended or BDBM version comes out, but I think it's cruel of them to sap a sucker like me. Angryrb

You think that Klipsch will ever go back to the Hotties series marketing scheme? I think I would buy more speakers, if they did, even if I didn't need them. Angryrb

---------------- On 5/19/2004 5:09:08 PM J.4knee wrote: Yes and no it depends on what your front speakers are capable of. For instance if you have 3 La Scala's across the front I would set them to large and cross the subs over at a lower frequency because the folded horns produce their bass much more efficiently and you only need the Subs for the really DEEP bass. However if your fronts are comparatively small and don’t produce a very substantial bass then you may want to turn over more of the bass duties to your sub and set your front LRC to small and obviously cross the sub at a higher frequency. ---------------- J.4, Thanks for that clarification. That's what I was thinking and wanting to say, but I didn't quite get it all into words. AngryOrb

Dan, I'm right with you on the newbie thing. I just bought my RW-8, and RB-35s very recently and I agree that you really need to listen to the speakers playing the same sounds. Dr.: My dealer played only the Sub with some Jazz playing and for the size and cost... I was impressed with the 8. When I bought the 35s, I went in and was looking at the RF-15s and the RB-35s - both being in my price range - I picked the 35s because of the clarity that I heard with them. And as I see it - please, anyone, correct me if I'm completely wrong - it seems that what you really need is the clarity instead of bassier Fronts and Centers because if your system crossover or Front's size is set properly, you will not be using much of the woofers... Is this correct? Anyway, if I'm wrong, I'm sorry. But as Dan said, "Choose what pleases YOU most" and definitely hear as many sets with the same sounds as possible. This will help you get a better idea of what pleases you. AngryOrb

Marshal: Sorry about the problems. I don't know. Something must be going on with their site then. You're right though, the problems and content might not be worth the hassle. But it would be cool to have a DVD disc that had them all on there... just for fun - and if they were all encoded properly. toddVJ: So, if I can't get my buddy to make me a disc, I may just end up asking you to make one for me, todd. AngryOrb

Anybody ever listen to the difference between the RC-25 and the RC-35? I see the difference in the Frequency Response, a one decibel increase on the 35s, and the difference in sizes of the woofer, horns, and such; but is the sound quality that different between the two that the 35 would be better than the 25? Or what am I really looking at here... cleaner highs and mids over the 25 during conversation scenes? I don't think they have a RC-25 at the store that I go to. Then again, I haven't checked, but I don't remember seeing one. I think they only have the 35s. So, it may be difficult for me to hear the difference. I'll call for sure to check. Any info and help is appreciated. AngryOrb

---------------- On 5/19/2004 4:43:31 AM Marshal wrote: Bumping. I read somewhere that if you have a non IE download manager, it can cause problems downloading. Thing is though, I'm not using any other DL manager. What am I doing wrong? Anyone here succeeded in downloading the THX/DTS/DD trailers? ---------------- Marshal, I was able to download them on Friday afternoon. I'm not sure what may be happening when you're trying to download them, but you need to follow the image link to a second page that describes the trailer (i.e. gives running time, file size, download name) and click on the floppy (save) icon/link. I hope this helps. AngryOrb

Thanks for the invite, Trey. I think I'll take you up on that offer. I've heard that the Klipsch HQ is a pretty marvelous place to visit; and that they have some sound room that is something like 27db and is so quiet that you can hear your heart beat. Sounds cool to me! I'll e-mail you later to get/give any needed details. Thanks, again! AngryOrb

Thanks, everyone, for all the help and information. I really do appreciate it. Before I get into any details, I'll just say that I bought the RB-35s. Reason being: I went down to Ovations, yesterday, and decided to speak with my dealer about the clipping issue and also spoke with their Resident Audiophile. Their RA told me not to worry about possible clipping with these speakers because - as some of you have mentioned - they are so efficient that the Amp would not be stressed as much as it would with lower-end speakers of "similar watt and ohm ratings" (my Sony speakers); and because they are so efficient they do not draw on the Amp as much as my Sony speakers would. Of course, he did mention that I would eventually want to step up my receiver to a higher-end, quality one to use the full efficacy of the speakers and send what he called a "cleaner, warmer power signal" to the speakers with a better rated Amp. So, I have a week to try them out, listen to movies, CDs, and see if I am totally satisfied or not... Which from what I've been listening to and watching, I don't think I'll be taking them back. I probably be running down to Radio Shack to pick up that SPL Meter (33-2055) to start getting these puppies in tune. I appreciate all the info and the encouragement about being able to use the speakers with my current Amp. I'm sure it won't be long till I purchase a better one, but - at the very least - I have some peace of mind knowing that I can use this Amp for the time being. Thanks again, everyone! And thanks for the Welcomes to the Klipsch Forums. AngryOrb

You're welcome, m00n. I'm glad I could share that with you guys. If I come across any THX trailer sites, I'll be sure to let you know. Also, I burned the files to a CD and my DVD player just reads No Audio on the display. So, I'm guessing that they have to be burned on to a DVD in order for the clips to be read properly. So, I'm going to ask a friend of mine to burn them on his DVD burner. I'll let you know what happens. AngryOrb

J.4knee, Thanks for the info! I was thinking that I may have a problem with the 100W receiver with the RB-35s, but the sales rep at Ovations (a local Audio/Video store here in Indy) never said anything about it. So, I wanted to look into it myself. I doubt that I will be able to stand any obvious audio distortion, if I hear any. I'm pretty new to the Audiophile world, but I have been doing a lot of research; and my taste is rather picky when it comes to things I truly enjoy. Granted, I still do have some fairly old speakers, but they have done rather well... until I walked into Ovations and heard the RB-35s. I was very impressed and excited that they sounded so clear, efficient, and are in my price range! If anything, I'll probably keep the Sony receiver - unless a new high-end receiver is in full order. Or in your opinion, do you think getting a higher-end receiver should come before the speakers? Or, yet again, will my receiver be able to handle the full (6.1) setup without causing too much of an issue? Thanks for your help!

I have a question about clipping and some Klipsch RB-35s. You'll have to forgive my HT, it's quite basic and I'm just now in the process of upgrading it. I'm looking into purchasing the RB-35s, but my current setup is this: Receiver: Sony STR-DE695 6 x 100W Center, Fronts, and Surrounds are 10 year old Sony brand Sub: RW-8 Now, my question is this: Will I get any clipping because my receiver is only capable of putting out 100 Watts per channel and the RB-35s can handle 125 Watts (continuous) or is clipping only going to occur in extreme cases of high volumes and major audio tracks? Or will the wattage rating be close enough that I won't have to worry about any clipping with the combo? I just bought the receiver about 3-4 weeks ago and would get a better receiver - if clipping is unavoidable with this particular combination and if I'm within my 30 days for the return - but I would prefer to wait, if possible. Ultimately, I don't want to put the money into $600 worth of speakers if there is a possibility of damaging them right off the bat. Thanks for the help!

Hello, People. I'm fairly new to the Klipsch world and have been browsing around the forums for the past few weeks and came across this thread. I know of a link that has a few DD, DTS, .WMV, and other type trailers that you can watch. Unfortunately, I didn't see any THX ones. The DD and DTS files are in a .VOB format which can be played on your DVD player. Well, at least they can be played on my computer's DVD player. I haven't burned them to a CD to try and play them in my HT DVD player yet, but I will try it this weekend and see what happens. If they do play correctly, I'll be pretty geeked about that because then I can have a nice mix of audio trailers to please the ears - if they play in true DD 5.1 and DTS 5.1. Well, here's the link: http://www.cinenow.com/us/vobtrailer.php3 If any of you get to try the CD in your HT DVD player first, let me know what happens.