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Raptorman, I have a link that might interest you.It explains the pro's and cons of going active.I am planning to do a serious mod to my LaScala's including an active crossover from Marchand Electronics.You can look up the info on the web.Go to google and do a search for Bi-Amping.You will find an article from a guy named Rod Elliot(Benifits of Bi-Amping,not quite magic but close).I have done some research in this area on the web including lots of reviews on Marchand stuff.In addition Al K. is telling me in a true bi-amp setup it is best to go active.I was on the phone with him ready to place an order for one of his Extreme Slope networks.When I told him of my plans for bi-amping he indicated that his passive networks would not be the best way to go.I think if a guy stays away from time delay settings and so forth(just more ways to mess it up)and sticks with the basic functions of a crossover ie.divide the signals and send them to thier prospective drivers he will be ok.If you read the article I spoke of you might just go active. Greg

So if I want to bi-amp my LaScala's with a 5 watt SET amp for the mids and highs(no woofer involved).Can I assume that I can get higher SPL's than is reflected in the chart with less power? Greg

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DM, I agree with alot of what you are saying plus I would add that simplicity is a very important aspect of any system.The more components in the signal chain the more the original signal is changed.I don't have a dedicated pre in my system,my amps have a high quality attenuator. Greg

I believe that every system no matter what the componets are have thier own synergy.I think we can hear changes because components react differently with each other.Its a long road to find the sound.you like or can be.A company that makes several products would maybe design them to have a certain synergy working together. Greg

Frzninvt, Thanks for the input.I already took the amp board to the dealer to be shipped out to Velodyne.When I got home I saw your post and checked the part in question ready to call the dealer and say STOP.Both plugs were secure in the PCB board.Velodyne seems to believe the problem is on the amp board.They will send me a completely rebuilt unit for $275.Ouch...oh well its cheaper than a new sub of the same quality.My other Velodyne(F1500)was a fantastic unit that blended well with the LAS and I believe this one will be the same once fixed.I see you are running 2 F1500R's.I want to find another one and do the same.LaScala's are another speaker without a sub.I believe a sub adds presence to the overall presentation.Thanks again. Greg

Thankyou all for your input, I have made the descision to try the Decware SV83s monos on the mids and highs.What I like about Decware is thier philosiphy of simple and balanced.The only con I have read in reviews is the power output but the speakers in the reviews had sensetivitys of 90 to 94 db.Reviews with speakers of higher sens don't have that complaint.But every review gave a + for bass thru the high freq.I am new to tubes and like my Shanling SP-80 PP with the level 1 mods by parts connection.They make the LaScala's sound better than I have ever heard.I will have to sell the Shanling's to finance this move as I am doing other mods to the LaScala's.The plan is to make them 2way using 511B horns with 902 drivers.The network will be Al K.'s ES600 extreme slope.In addition this will be a bi-amp setup with a Bryston 3B w/input level control on the woofer.I have been in communication with Sfogg who also runs his LAS 2way.He says good things about the sound.Well this post is getting away from me,once again thankyou for the input. Greg

Hello, I am having problems with my sub.It is paired with my LaScala's in a 2 channel setup.It runs fine until I turn volume up to match output of LAS then the sub shuts off after about 5 min.It turns back on about 30 seconds later.This happens at about 11 o'clock on the level control.This has been a problem since I bought it a year ago.I have owned a Velodyne F1500 paired with another set of LAS and it kept up with no problem.Has anyone had this problem or know the cause.Something else to note is the sub sounds muddy,not crisp like my previos Velodyne even at low levels. Greg

---------------- On 7/27/2004 8:05:52 AM trader wrote: I read some rave reviews on teh JJ/Tesla EL34's too. My dealer swears by them and he told me that they are some of th emost reliable tubes made today. I currently have Mullard tubes and want to play without it costing me an arm and leg. I'm also interested in replacing the tubes with New Factory Fresh tubes to see what happens. I let my dealer talk me into a Jan-Phillips Military grade 12AT7. I've read mixed reviews on this tube. I think that I may have made a mistake with that one. The older Phillip tubes were excellent but these were made in the US and are not the Holland made phillips tubes. Has anyone used the Jan-Phillips 12AT7? ---------------- I have used the JJ/Tesla EL34's and like the sound,nice mids,strong bass,clean highs,quiet.They just don't seem to last very long.I have only about a year expierience with tubes so I'm not sure how long they should last.I have gone through 4 in a year. Greg

SET fans, Has anyone omned or are you familiar with Decware triode amps?I am interested in bi-amping my LaScala's with a good SET on the mids and highs and a Bryston 3B on the woofer.Any thoughts or comments apprieciated. Greg

---------------- On 7/23/2004 1:20:50 PM radiob wrote: I tried Dared, it is good stuff for the money, but then I sold it, and went with bottlehead 2a3, you can get a pair of bottleheads for 500.00 new with no mods and it wil simply out sond the dared 10-1. Rob ---------------- Rober,thankyou for your input.Its nice to hear an oppinion from someone who has listened to the equipment.I am investigating all avenues of SET to make a sound choice and will look into bottlehead. Thanks Greg

Has anyone heard Dared products?If so what is your impression of them?I would like to try a SET amp but don't want to spend big $$$$.Are these Dared monos overpriced? Greg

---------------- On 7/22/2004 10:55:02 PM Audio Flynn wrote: Basically, if someone want's to get into the SET sound, they need to do there homework. Read up, ask questions, get opinions, make judgements. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Basicly is definitely an understatement ---------------- I have a question.Has anyone seen the Dared VP-300B monos on ebay?Has anyone heard a Dared product and what do you think? Greg

---------------- On 7/22/2004 7:32:57 PM paulparrot wrote: ---------------- On 7/22/2004 7:16:17 PM steamer wrote: Like I said I was losing concentration.Maybe my humor was misplaced.Just enjoying the music and trying to get involved in the forum. Greg ---------------- You're obviously doing fine. If you have an itch for trying a lo-pow amp, go for it. That's ultimately the best way to get it out of your system. Then you won't have any nagging doubts. That is, as long as you don't fall for the line about "If only you had used a different power cord/patchcord/tube brand/capacitor brand" etc, "then you would have loved it." ---------------- No way,I already have them.I have walked through the wilderness of stereophile and came out alive,broke but alive and wizer.I am going back to my roots.That means Klipsch LaScala's with something I never got to try.Never put any tubes on them...now I have and won't likely go back.I do have a Bryston 3B w/input level control that I want to put on the woofer and bi-amp with my tubes.Just having fun! Greg

---------------- On 7/22/2004 7:06:07 PM jazman wrote: " Greg, It's good for members to hear from individuals who have not been fed a diet of magic and refinement concerning SET amps pedaled by many in this forum, and who has heard and experienced for himself. Whatever your final configuration, or alternate configuration, only you can decide what you prefer. Thanks for the blast of fresh air. Craig" When one can't spell or put two intelligent sentences together, plagiarism is the order of the day. Klipsch out. PS. I better ordr a pair o dem VD amps. ---------------- ---------------- On 7/22/2004 7:06:07 PM jazman wrote: " Greg, It's good for members to hear from individuals who have not been fed a diet of magic and refinement concerning SET amps pedaled by many in this forum, and who has heard and experienced for himself. Whatever your final configuration, or alternate configuration, only you can decide what you prefer. Thanks for the blast of fresh air. Craig" When one can't spell or put two intelligent sentences together, plagiarism is the order of the day. Klipsch out. PS. I better ordr a pair o dem VD amps. ---------------- Like I said I was losing concentration.Maybe my humor was misplaced.Just enjoying the music and trying to get involved in the forum. Greg

so how many posts does it take to change my status from newbie to cool newbie,must be 6 Greg

Is this thread still going?Right now the LaScala's are crankin out some Nickelback and it sounds GOOD!!!I've got to quir following this thread as I'm losing my concetration on the music...damn I like these PP amps! Greg

Hello, I am new to this forum and saw your post.I run a Velodyne powered sub which has x-over built in.My cd player has 2 outputs.1 set to my amps and LaScala's 1 feeds my sub.If you have another amp and 2 outputs on your Preamp you can utilize that second out.Other members of this forum could help with how to roll off the high's in the signal,I know it can be done just not sure how.Or you could run a full range signal to it. Greg

---------------- On 7/21/2004 9:34:25 AM DeanG wrote: I want everyone to try SET, and the sooner the better. ---------------- Hello,I am new to this forum and felt compelled to say a few words.I currently own Shanling SP-80 monoblocks.I love the sound of these 50 watt PP amps.They are like magic on my LaScala's.But a few months back I heard a SET setup and cant get the sound out of my mind!I keep telling myself that what I have sounds great but...that sound.I will probably talk myself into the move.That does'nt mean I have a problem with my current amps.The SET sound appeals to me. Greg

sorry about that attachment,I didnt do something right and cant yet figure it out.I would suggest speaking with Al K.I'm sure he would be glad to help. Greg

Hello,I to want to bi-amp but with my Lascala's.I hope this attachment that I got from Klipsch will help! Greg

Hello,I have owned slidstate gear for 20 yrs.Last year I purchased the Shannling SP-80 monoblocks/CDT100 tube CD player for my La Scala,s.WOW...I will never go back.The sound is just incredible.Tubes and Klipsch's are so much better vs. solidstate.My amps are the modified versions from the Audiogon website.If you decide on tubes I believe you won't regret your decsision!!!! Greg