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---------------- On 11/10/2004 12:04:54 PM Frzninvt wrote: Here is a photo, I also have an Academy on top of the TV to aid in dispersion. ---------------- I was thinking that a La Scala on its side wouldn't work well precisely because of the mid-horn dispersion. So I'm reluctant to do that. My TV has a higher integrated stand than yours, so I'd have to put the La Scala suspended over the TV. How does your La Scala work out if the Academy isn't hooked-up? I presume it doesn't work too well for those seated off-center? BTW, nice rack of stuff! What's that NAD? And can you really put a turntable on top of a sub? Once I put an empty port glass on my sub and a good LFE scence made it tip over. Nice finish on that La Scala... And KHorns to boot! Sweet!

Thanks for the review! I was avoiding it, thinking it would have too mature content for my 7 year-old (who acts like a preteen) but now I'll likely get it for her.

---------------- On 11/10/2004 10:32:34 AM ironwoods wrote: ---------------- On 11/9/2004 6:49:20 PM psg wrote: You do realise that the great majority of today's speakers with double binding posts are for bi-wiring and not by-amplifying, right? Hopefully it's okay to do what you are doing, otherwise you'll adversely affect one of both of your amps. ---------------- Hi, why do you say this? I don't see what bad effects this would have on an amp, however I'm still be schooled. Speakers.... 'nother story, but the filter should do, what it was designed for. ---------------- Well, it really depends on what the crossover is doing and how things are interconnected there. If there wasn't a likely problem, why would the speaker manual warn that the double posts are for by-wiring and not by-amp'ing? I'm think that if the levels aren't perfectly matched, you might be feeding the current from the higher level amplifier into the lower one. Ouch. But what do I know...

On 11/10/2004 10:48:03 AM Frzninvt wrote: Why not a single La Scala PSG? It seems to me that would be the absolute best! However, I certainly understand if you cannot squeeze it in, it is deep at 24"+ I found a single for $300 it had sat upstairs in a barn for a few years in heat and bitter cold. It worked perfectly when I brought it home and connected it. The height is the problem. I have, I think, 36 inches between the top of my RPTV and the ceiling. I'd want the speaker titlted down a bit. The only way a La Scala could fit is if the tilted-up back portion went up through the suspended ceiling to the rafters. The WAF might not be too high on that; but I'm not sure. But yeah, that would be sweet for sound... But hey, now I know you're close to the border! I could have a speaker delivered to you and I'm there an 8 hour drive later! I wonder how much a single Heresy retails for, brand-new...

Doudou wrote: putting two speakers of 8 ohm in parallel is like one speaker of 4ohm be carrefull!!! Right. My h/k avr-325 is okay with that... and don t set your amp at +Xdb for the center but decrease the output for your lascalas. Why? I'd rather leave the mains at 0dB and adjust the others. I don't want to increase the noise floor on the La Scala's. But as long as I don't overdrive the speaker with the highest +Xdb offset, I should be okay, right?

The KG4 is a very nice speaker. I still have the pair that I bought in 1985. They sound great in a small to medium sized room. They just don't work out too well as a center while using Heritage mains. In the KG4, the dialog frequencies are mostly produced by the 8" direct radiators (the crossover frequency is 1800Hz in this 2-way system) while the dialog from a Heritage speaker (3-way system) is produced by the mid range horn. I think this accounts for the mismatch in the sonic qualities. Thanks! Based on this, I have decided to hold off and wait for Heresy's (or a single vertical cornwall!).

Ocasionally I listen to the odd sound track CD on my system (The Last Samuari, Gladiator) which sounds pretty good on the RF-7s but my favourite thing was listening to Hotel California from the Eagles DVD in DTS sound (before the disc decided to die). Track 17 or 18... There's a track where the main vocalist is also playing the drums. When he kicks the bass drum, do the RF-7 pound you in the chest? If so, you likely don't need a sub for music. If not, then you do. Adding a sub made that difference for me with La Scala's, but they don't go as low as the RF-7, so I don't apriori know the answer to that question as it concerns you.

First you should tell us why you don't like them...

s/impendence/impedance/ s/LEF/LFE/ sorry about the typos... time for bed.

The avr-525 is fine with Klipsch, and has plenty of high-current power for when the impendence of the RF-7 drops at certain frequencies. It should do fine. Plus it has nice bass management, so you can set them to "large" and sub to "LEF + R/L" with a crossover of 40 or 60 Hz for that added edge. My h/k avr-325 drives La Scala's, with the bottom end re-inforced by a Hsu STF-3.

On 11/9/2004 7:11:46 PM nicholtl wrote: On 11/9/2004 6:54:38 PM psg wrote: Then I put in my Diana Krall DVD "Live in Paris"; now there's talent! This is undoubtedly your favorite disc, since this is like the 10th time you've mentioned it. Sorry about that. I got it a couple of weeks ago and I'm still thrilled every time I put it on. But I promise I won't mention anymore. Can't say I'll stop bothering everyone about possible centers for my La Scala's though!

2002... Thanks! At least they are recent!

Yeah, I recorded Britney Spears' Miami concert on my PVR a while ago, just to see what the fuss is about. Most songs are obviously lip-synced, except a few (which sound different!) when she's quietly sitting at a piano. But then, they show an angle such that you think she's playing, but she's not! What's the point! Then I put in my Diana Krall DVD "Live in Paris"; now there's talent!

The speakers, like a lot of'em now, have dual inputs pairs, which allow splitting the crossover by removing the jumper between the hi and low frequency pairs. True, the amps are sending a full range signal to each input pair, but the crossovers send only a low-passed signal to the woofers, while the mids and tweeters get a high-passed signal that is then split again between midrange and tweeter drivers. In my speakers, the crossover points are at 350Hz and 4000Hz. I suppose some amplifier power is being wasted this way, compared to the more pure form of bi-amping you are talking about. You do realise that the great majority of today's speakers with double binding posts are for bi-wiring and not by-amplifying, right? Hopefully it's okay to do what you are doing, otherwise you'll adversely affect one of both of your amps.

Where should the RC-7 fit in my preference order for a center for La Scala's? pair of KG4 -> pair of KG4.2 -> pair of Heresy -> single vertical conwall Probably between KG4.2 and Heresey? The RC-7 is heavy, not wouldn't be as heavy to ship as a pair of Heresy's... Decisions, decisions... I haven't made up my mind on the KG4s. Buying them now means if something better comes along before at least 3 months is bad for the WAF. Maybe the RC-7 would be a better choice, except I can't use it as standalone speakers if it doesn't work out with the La Scala...

Yeah, I noticed that too. Combined with the fact that he doesn't have the box, and doesn't have the RF7's to complete the set, and shows so little regard for the finish, one could easily come to the conclusion that he got the RC7 from Midnight Audio Supply. Maybe the RF7's were too heavy to carry? If I get your meaning, I think if that were the case the serial number would have been "lost". It is RC7CH-02100011. Can I infer that it was made in October 2002? I don't know how to decode Klipsch serial numbers on the Reference line...

Funny, I was about to re-post with the same observation about the lack of protection!

I noticed that... But that's good! When people don't describe their stuff correctly on ebay, they don't get as good a price. Hmmm. Where would the RC-7 fit in my preference order for a center for La Scala's? pair of KG4 -> pair of KG4.2 -> pair of Heresy -> single vertical conwall Probably between KG4.2 and Heresey? The RC-7 is heavy, not wouldn't be as heavy to ship as a pair of Heresy's...

What speakers are those? How did you match the level of all amplification channels?

I used a KG4 as a center for a while with my Cornwalls. I was not very satisfied since they were too different from the Heritage mains. Then I got a Heresy for a center and moved the KG4s to the rear. This was much better. Eventually I found a Cornwall center and moved the Heresys to the rear for an all-Heritage HT. This is much, much better. IMO you should hold out for a Heritage center with your Lascalas. Thanks. I know I should hold out, but it might take a long time unless I pay a super shipping premium. Can you answer my question about speaker placement? How far or close to the wall should they be? I would angle them down a little bit since they would be placed high as center channel. Do you like the speaker by itself? Was it hard to drive? I assume I'll use it for soemthing else if the center channel usage doesn't work out...

Hmmm. The KG4.2 would be a better match... 95 dB efficiency (vs 94 dB). 8 ohms (vs 6 ohms), so I could put two in parallel. 6 inches higher but would still fit between my TV and the ceiling... But such finds are rare! Here's my preference order: KG4 -> KG4.2 -> Heresy -> single vertical cornwall But a KG4 is found... Might work for a while...

---------------- On 11/9/2004 1:59:33 AM formica wrote: ---------------- On 11/9/2004 1:51:45 AM formica wrote: I just sent you some info on a pair of black Klipsch KG4 not far from me... I know they aren't exactly what you are looking for, but they are inexpensive and worth the effort in my opinion. ---------------- hmmm... just looked at eBay, and the KG4 are quite a bit cheaper than heritage... price turns out to be more average than i thought. I'll keep my eyes open for another pair of Heresys... ---------------- Thanks Rob! Even if I do get thoese KG4's, I'd still be interesting in a pair of Heresy's or (the holy grail) a single vertical cornwall. I'll call the seller and ask about the condition. The KG4 are not ideal (see my post in the HT forum), but they are inexpensive. They are in-line with ebay prices, but I'd save on shipping. If I buy them, I might just offer to pay for them now and pick them up around Christmas time when I'll be in Quebec City (making it a shorter trip; I'm in Rimouski, 300 km down the St. Lawrence from Quebec City). If I get them, would you like to use them until I get around to driving up?

Hi all, A few days ago, I let an auction go by for cheap KG5.2's (but shipping was expensive) to use as a center for La Scala's. I really want Heresy's, but Formica got me a lead on some KG4's close to Montreal (not local, but not bad!). They are black and that would match my La Scala's. Thanks Formica!!! I have an evening phone number for the seller, so I should decide by then... Here are the problems I see in order to use them as center: - They are rated at 94 db. That's 10 dB down from the La Scala. The receiver can level adjust +/- 10 dB, but I don't really want to go _that_ far if I can avoid it. - I could use two off them in parallel, giving 3 dB or 6 dB more (depending on who you listen to) but they are 6 ohms, and a 3 ohm load would likely be too much on my harman/kardon avr-325 (they say 4 ohms is okay). Might have to use a separate amp to drive them... - They have a rear passive driver. How far away from the wall must they be? They are 10.75 inches depth and my rear-projection TV is, I'm guessing, 2.5 feet deep. I'd like the fronts to line up. Would 1.5 feet to the wall be too close? For the price they are, I could probably try to use them as center until I get some Heresy's and then put them to some other use... Comments? Peter

No, there are no KHorns around here that I have ever seen for sale. There was a Klipsch dealer in Quebec City in the 80's with a pair of each model in the show room, so there must be some Heritage in Quebec City. -- Thanks Frzninv! That would be fantastic! My La Scala's are black, so I'd like to match them with black Heresy's, but I'm not commited to that contraint. Peter

I know how you feel... On the other hand, the sale could help you fund those KHorns! And you know I'd take care of them too; I have had a pair of '73 La Scala's since about 1981.