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I have no idea what was originally promised ....... But that seems like a long wait.
Unless there is something I am missing, it obviously seems unacceptable. Is there another side to this story (and I don't mean excuses ....)?
Good luck,
-Tom
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2 hours ago, MMurg said:
So much for the "April 2022" Jubilee launch mentioned in the article. Someday... 🙂
You have been extraordinarily patient!
At least you have been able to hear them ahead of time, so you know that it is worth the wait. Do you have their new home all prepped and ready to go with all the other components lined up?
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3 hours ago, billybob said:
Wow, couple of mistakes and misunderstanding off the bat.
Some mysticism thrown around.
Dang...
I think you are being too kind. That guy was just confused and rambling.
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55 minutes ago, wuzzzer said:
The speakers are beautiful but that badge looks cheesy in my opinion.
At that price, maybe the dealer could remove the badge without marring the finish.
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I may be becoming a grumpy old guy.
I lived for many years with a previous version of Klipschorns (1982s). They sounded good and I enjoyed them.
My guess, and it is only a guess, is that the sound from the new vs older versions is probably fairly similar (in spite of the marketing that "new" equals "improved").
The veneer looks nice, but other veneers also look nice and in neither case it will it affect the sound quality. Also, I am indifferent to the possible merits of the units being an "anniversary edition".
So where does that leave us. A pair of (slightly used) Klipschorns for nearly $15K. That seems like a good deal of money and for what? I periodically see Klipschorns for sale in New England for far less money ($3K to $6K).
I guess I am grumpy, but there are much better deals out there.
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Same here.
I am using a MacBook (latest OS) and Chrome (most recent upgrade)
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It best not to think in term of distance, but rather in terms of angle.
If the listening angle is between 45-60 deg you will be fine. If it is larger than about 75 deg, then you may need a center speaker to maintain a "stable center" image. These numbers are approximations and should not be worshipped.
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1 hour ago, dmckean44 said:
I don't know if the quote is up to date, It was $10,295 for two of the KPT-JUBILEE/535-B two half years ago from American Cinema.
This was when I bought my pair of KPT-904-Ms.
I would contact American Cinema Equipment again.
My understanding is that the original Jubilee (in a three-way version, as shown above) and the "underground" Jubilee (two-way version which is more common for home users) are no longer manufactured (as of about late last Spring). My guess is that the price you were quoted two years ago, was for the three-way version (the two-way was about $1 -$1.5K less). I assume you live in the US.
In my uneducated estimation, if the two-way version (the "underground" Jubilee) was still available (at close to last year's price) they would be enjoying brisk sales to the home market.
Either way, good luck,
-Tom
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15 minutes ago, Schu said:
That is interesting... I don't think I have ever seen that.
OP... Austin is correct, it would make a big difference as to what bass bin your husband is using... and if it's not something tried by someone here, our recommendations would be problematic.
It is potentially even more complicated.
The document did not show any bass bin PEQs for the (underground) Jubilee. Originally, Roy did provide these for use with Electrovoice DX38 processor. Additionally not only is identifying which bass bin is being used, we need to know which processor is being used. For instance, loading the parameters for the EV DX38 into a miniDSP processor will require modification.
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The type of product that Shiva recommended is good.
They are sometimes called Tibetan wood (or wax) sticks. It can make it look better but not perfect if you look closely. If you phone a local moving company you can ask them who they send out to make these kinds of repairs (they will be quite experienced and can do it in your home).
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2 hours ago, hanksjim1 said:
Some folks on the JBL Heritage site prefer using the 2450sl aquaplas coated diaphragms in the 2446 for hifi, over the stock ribbed titanium...quite a bit less $ than the TruExtent Be units; <$100 each.
Lots of threads over there on this topic.
This is good advice !
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The JBL 2446 (or 2445) will fit a Klipsch K-510 horn (2inc exit driver to a 2 inch throat horn). I previously used this combination.
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58 minutes ago, Chief bonehead said:
Because there was two of these left, the price was raised. Not hard to understand. Sorry to hear that you are no longer interested.
I think your tone of voice is unwarranted, but maybe this is what the internet has reduced us to (whoops, I ended the sentence on a preposition).
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1 hour ago, RandyH said:
that's right , I had to dig up the listing to effectively confirm to our forum members that the " underground Jubillee" sold as high as 19,995$ in 2021 , up from 14.995$ in 2019 ,
I really have no idea where your information is coming from.
In Spring 2021, another member and I separately contacted two vendors and were quoted the following prices for a pair of "underground" Jubilees (two-way, plain black and no DSP crossover). This was a month or two before the "underground " Jubilee was discontinued.
The vendor in Kentucky stated a price of about $9K
Spencer at American Cinema Equipment stated a price of $8.5 K (included free shipping). He had contacted Klipsch and the factory said they would be available with about a two-week turn around.
I hope this sets the record straight and as such I am no longer interested.
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11 hours ago, RandyH said:
➡️ 19,995$ Ebay item no 293507666389
My understanding is that the vendor had the last two pair of the "underground" Jubilees before they were discontinued by Klipsch. Veneer was applied and the vendor took advantage of the scarcity of the product. Some would call this a smart business practice. Others might call this price gouging.
My comment still stands that before the "underground" Jubilee was discontinued, they were one of the great values (performance divided by price). They were selling for the last several years for between $ 7K and 8.5 K.
Over the last decade or so I have helped a number of people purchase Jubilees. I have some experience on this.
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22 minutes ago, RandyH said:
the older series were 14k$ , I almost bought a used pair late in 2020 for 5k$
No, this is incorrect by a factor of two.
The originals (2 way version - now called the "underground" and sometimes called the "rogue") were $7-8k for a pair. They were a heck of a deal. If you got a veneer on the baffle there was a 10-15% up charge.
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At a price of $5,500, you are in the range of buying a used (underground-) Jubilee. Although the Klipschorn is a good sounding speaker, the Jubilee is better. --- Hands down better! Note: I have personally enjoyed and lived with both.
They are no longer manufactured and they are somewhat hard to find on the used market. So it would take some diligence. The OP said these were for a living room, so below is an example of what Kudret did to make his Jubilees more living room friendly. There are other variations also, although his implementation is probably within the capabilities of many DIYers.
This is meant as food for thought ....
Good luck,
-Tom
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15 minutes ago, jjptkd said:
I'm sure the market will be flooded with these soon once people start replacing them with the newer version.. Good luck!
That is an interesting thought and I have no way of predicting the future ....... However, I suspect there will be some who may replace theirs with the new version, but I don't think there will be a "flood".
The original version gave very good performance at a relatively reasonable price. I don't know how many current owners will see the need to change. It will be interesting to watch.
-Tom
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Let's head off the usual stampede about "needs fancy capacitors" or needing a "such and such amplifier".
I assume the cabinets are tucked into the corners .....
1) do both cabinets show this behavior?
2) Is there any sound at all (do this with a test tone between 100 - 200 Hz)?
3) Tell us the answers first.
4) Do you or a friend have a volt meter to check whether the woofer "reads open"? The woofer would need to be disconnected from the crossover (I assume this is a Type A or AA balancing network).
5) Later, after #1 and #2, you may need to open the hatch. Do not do this yet since the hatch is sealed with a gasket/seal/adhesive.
My guess is that a wire to the bass bin was loose or disconnected (or mis-wired) when the cabinets were moved or stored. Is the wire to the bass bin hooked up to the crossover (correctly)? This is just a guess at this point.
Good luck,
-Tom
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5 minutes ago, Dave A said:
You can buy new complete sets all day long but no parts unless you have a set with serial numbers and are replacing an existing broken part. Something to consider here if you want a set with 1132 drivers. I have had old 1132 drivers with the old style phase plug and the new style phase plug. If I were to build a new two way system requiring 402's I would buy new and not hunt for old. The difference in sound quality between old 1132 phase plugs and new ones is pretty significant and you will only get those new phase plugs by buying new.
Of course things may have changed over the years, but when I purchased my K-402 set (horns, drivers & stands as a package) I believe the purchase required an "okay" from Hope.
As Dave stated if a DIYer is just buying the pieces (eg. horns alone) then it will not happen.
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Mine were sold when I sold my Jubilees.
That sounds like a high price, but when making a comparison you also need to look at shipping and whether taxes are included (of course).
When I got mine many years ago, I was steered to American Cinema Equipment (talk to Spencer). ACE has sold a good number of these and will understand what the SKU is for this combination.
BTW, since Klipsch does not like selling parts to DIYer, it is possible that none of the vendors will actually be able to complete the transaction for you.
Good luck,
-Tom
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11 minutes ago, 001 said:
At $40K, do you think they will sell many?
Time will tell. However, as I said, I have been wrong before ....
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1 hour ago, geezin' said:
Just curious why did they have such a short production run?
I don't think there is much of a market for expensive speakers anymore.
There may have been in years past, but there is not much enthusiasm in the younger generations for stereo stuff.
Quite frankly, I think manufacturers spend too much time and effort on cosmetics (which really drives up the price). However, I will admit that my opinion is in the minority.
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I look at this thread and it just reinforces my opinion about the "original Jubilees - home version".
These are sometimes called the "rogue" speakers, more recently they are called the "underground" Jubilees. Basically, the (original) Jubilee bass bin with a K-402 horn (if space/money is tight then substitute a K-510 horn). These cabinets would work in so many implementations. They do do not need to be tight in a corner, you are free to toe them in. They have a great spectral response, great efficiency, you name and they got it.
They sound good !!!!! I know since I have owned them (I have also owned and enjoyed K-Horns, La Scalas, Cornwalls, etc).
They were affordable but not high on the cosmetic issues, but .......
Well, they are gone. You cannot get them any more. They had retailed for about $7 - 8k and they were a great deal. They are gone and replaced with something that costs about 5 times more. I am sure the replacement version sounds wonderful (even if the cosmetics are questionable (IMHO)). But they are so expensive and out of reach for many.
I look at the comments in this thread (plans and implementation issues etc) and I can't help but think "You know the original Jubilees would work great in this situation".
I am sure that Jubilee owners are nodding their heads in agreement.
-Tom
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Heresy-Forte-Cornwall ... Why such a price gap
in 2-Channel Home Audio
Posted · Edited by PrestonTom
clarification
Shakey, you may be beating a dead horse. By now those who have the knowledge and the willingness to help, have probably left the room (for this particular thread).