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if u bot the monster that recently, they do make a sub cable w/ the Y built in (less connections that way). phase may not make a big dif. really u may have to play w/ the sub's crossover control to get the best blend w/ your mains. since the receiver starts cutting the signal to the sub @ 80hz for low bass like on music cd's, u may find the best sub setting to be around 80hz for music. then for HT/lfe u may want to turn it all the way up to 120hz as lfe can go all the way up to that. this is why on a lot of newer sub designs they're putting a crossover in/out switch on 'em. ------------------ RF-3 (front), RC-3, Cornwall I (rear) Velodyne HGS-18 sub Monsterbass 400 sub cables & Monster Z-12 wire Sony de935 a/v receiver Sony DVP-C650D dvdp Sony Trinitron 27" tv Technics dual cassette deck Technics direct drive turntable Scientific Atlanta Explorer 2000 digital cable box rock on!

jhawk, i'll try to go w/ positive karma & only root for the clones to win sure I can't convince u? i just picked up a Rat Shack $10 gold cable & hooked up that digital out from the box. just w/ dolby prologic it sounds pretty good & better than using the analog audio outs. the sub sounds a lot better 2. as I only have 1 dig coax in on my receiver though I did have to change the dvd to an optical connect. so I guess it really cost me $50 total but still think it's worth it. ------------------ RF-3 (front), RC-3, Cornwall I (rear) Velodyne HGS-18 sub Monsterbass 400 sub cables & Monster Z-12 wire Sony de935 a/v receiver Sony DVP-C650D dvdp Sony Trinitron 27" tv Technics dual cassette deck Technics direct drive turntable Scientific Atlanta Explorer 2000 digital cable box rock on!

also, I never did get any replies from the Ovation-Avia tech support team after 2 emails. DON'T BUY OVATION AVIA GUIDE TO HOME THEATER! much better ones on the market. take things on this board w/ thy grain of salt (f.e., The Art of War dvd sucks!

wsn, maybe i shoulda got the sony instead i have the ovation version. this one uses the lfe for some tests (& their lame teching sessions), but not for the sub phase test. either they shoula used lfe for this test or not mixed the disk at all in dolby digital 5.1. i don't see how it works w/ any ht receiver on this test. soooo stupid anyway, some good bass music like the chili peppers works just as well for sub phase.

steve, great point - bipolar surrounds like the ksp or rs-3 would help widen the side soundstage too. there's that big debate of course on whether direct or wdst speaks should be used for surrounds & even rears. think that depends on the listener & their preferences - like music vs. HT. if i were to make the jump to 7.1 surround i think i'd combine bipolar surrounds w/ direct rears. i've been to some theaters that actually do use multichannel equipment/side surrounds where the sound actually moves up & down the sides. but that equipment hasn't (yet) become commercially viable. probably won't be long though. but most of us don't have rows of seats, or, in my case, the only listening positions-the couch & recliner-are on the same plane in my lil room. the only way i could see using additional surround speaks would be if they carried discrete channels of information - like in my case going from 5.1 to 7.1. but hey if the room's that big w/ listeners spread up & down it, it'd be a good thing i think. my sony calls that a virtual rear surround mode that really works w/ the cornwalls in the rear corners to cover my rear & sides pretty well. i agree, even w/ just a couch in the middle, more side & rear speaks are better if u want to spend the $; but, for my next green burn i'm really eyeing that denon 4800 or 5800 for 7.1 & possibly the new rf-5or7, rc-7 & rs-7...

i think there's an important distinction to be made between the klipsch theater/the local movie houses and our own listening rooms though. unless u have rows of seats or different levels of listening positions, it really seems unnecesary to have side speaker arrays. iow the theaters do it to hit the listeners seated in the various rows more effectively. & again, don't the denons have the virtual surround feature to simulate a side speaker array anyway?

steve, i was curious on that as i'm looking toward a denon. dual surround i assume let's u run both sets of surrounds at once or either (1 set for music or 1 set for HT, f.e. ? so the 4800 will drive 2 pair of surrounds & a pair of rear speaks all at once w/ 7.1 channels (the 4 surrounds carrying only the 2 channels)?

jv, boy i'd love to have that 4800. i could really use that dual surround speaker mode. then throw the new rs-7(HT) on top of the rear cornwalls(music). anyway, to get 9.1 channels, 1st wouldn't u need material encoded w/ 9.1 discrete channels as well as a 9.1 channel decoder? or are u just talking about each of the 2 side surrounds carrying the same channel? in that case u may be able to control the delay to each of the 2 speakers on each side surround channel to create a simulated 9.1 channel effect. that's way beyond me though that denon should have something like virtual surround that simulates an array of side speaks. seems like a cheaper & easier way maybe to get what u desire. ------------------ RF-3 (front), RC-3, Cornwall I (rear) Velodyne HGS-18 sub Monsterbass 400 sub cables & Monster Z-12 wire Sony de935 a/v receiver Sony DVP-C650D dvdp Sony Trinitron 27" tv Technics dual cassette deck Technics direct drive turntable Scientific Atlanta Explorer 2000 digital cable box rock on!

tka, sorry i just realized u started that other thread. it's gotten pretty complicated there, which happens that's basically correct - simply, as long as a broadcast is in stereo, & u have at least a prologic (dolby 2.0) decoder in your receiver, then that decoder takes the stereo signal & gives u that surround effect u said. to get the true dolby digital 5.1 (6 discrete channels) from a tv, the source material must be mixed, encoded & broadcast in 5.1 & then of course decoded w/ a dolby digital (or dts) decoder such as those in many ht receivers. the bottleneck seems to be at the broadcasters, as it is up to them to actually transmit a 5.1 encoded signal. hope that explains. ------------------ RF-3 (front), RC-3, Cornwall I (rear) Velodyne HGS-18 sub Monsterbass 400 sub cables & Monster Z-12 wire Sony de935 a/v receiver Sony DVP-C650D dvdp Sony Trinitron 27" tv Technics dual cassette deck Technics direct drive turntable Scientific Atlanta Explorer 2000 digital cable box rock on!

good! is that a stereo receiver? if so, sorry for my ignorant questions

was it the sub outs u tried? nothing at all there? do you have sub: yes on the denon?

dbart they're still doing the voicing work to get the rc-7 to match both the rf-5 & rf-7. sounds like it may be a lil overpowering for the rf-3, but it's still a work in progress. i think my solution will be to trade in my rf-3 for the rf-5 or 7. then the rc-7 should be no problem. ------------------ RF-3 (front), RC-3, Cornwall I (rear) Velodyne HGS-18 sub Monsterbass 400 sub cables & Monster Z-12 wire Sony de935 a/v receiver Sony DVP-C650D dvdp Sony Trinitron 27" tv Technics dual cassette deck Technics direct drive turntable Scientific Atlanta Explorer 2000 digital cable box rock on!

oh yea looking back on that u may want to leave the gold connectors on so u don't miss the 80-90hz bass.

yea if u do a search for rp-3 you'll see 1 from 7/2000 called RP-3 manual/wire documentation w/ step by step by yours truely. depends a lot on which receiver you're using, but basically u want to use the lfe inputs w/ sub cables from your sub outputs.

yea eric the center gets a blend or matrix of both the L & R channels w/ that.

no ksp-6 being produced anymore. on ebay though. u can get the rs-3 new which i hear are an ok match since the surround matching is not as vital as the front-center. also, klipsch is coming out w/ a whole new line in may. ------------------ RF-3 (front), RC-3, Cornwall I (rear) Velodyne HGS-18 sub Monsterbass 400 sub cables & Monster Z-12 wire Sony de935 a/v receiver Sony DVP-C650D dvdp Sony Trinitron 27" tv Technics dual cassette deck Technics direct drive turntable Scientific Atlanta Explorer 2000 digital cable box rock on!

ac-3 is really a noise reduction technology (according to dolby), but i guess since it automatically comes w/ dolby digital the 2 terms have become interchangeable. so i hope the fcc takes ac-3 to mean dolby digital 5.1.

yea it sure wasn't a priority w/ my damn sony model but even sony now has some models w/ 5 channel stereo (really a misnomer when I think about it). marantz has some 2 as well as denon (& those 2 happen to be what i'm eyeing right now). that dvd audio is a great point - instead of getting a new receiver, one could just get the right source material.

yea u plug a stereo component into an a/v receiver that has at least dolby prologic decoding & ahhlaaa. sorry but it's that simple

co, how's the weather up there this time of night? i could get in trouble here but all i really used that helped was the video-tv monitor to dvdp calibration. that was good. for audio your receiver &/or dvdp probably puts out test tones for balance anyway. the sub phase test is worthless. & the sweep only goes to 20hz & is only good for locating rattles in the house. most of the disk is worthless basic info u already know. it's overkill big time. just my humble op.

gil, yea & now they have dts 6.1 where the rear center channel is an actual distinct channel & 7.1 w/ 2 distinct rear channels as well as 2 distinct surround channels. but for those of course the source must be encoded (& possibly broadcast) in that format. & i'm still stuck w/ 5.1. interesting though - wonder how many channels we'll go to before it stops. i think some of the theaters use like 25 channels? i guess we're looking at it from opposite ends. chicken/egg thing- i think of the source as being the beginning- 1st u need the 5.1 source, then the transmission & decoding, then the output from the speakers - u don't have to have 5 speaks & a sub; it just helps to have those to hear the output any book on this subject probably used the published dolby & dts info for research & then added some original diagrams & opinions.

i set mine @ a lil over 80hz too for music. for ht/lfe i switch out the crossover which would be like turning yours all the way to 120, unless it has a cross defeat switch. i have my all my speaks set to large. ------------------ RF-3 (front), RC-3, Cornwall I (rear) Velodyne HGS-18 sub Monsterbass 400 sub cables & Monster Z-12 wire Sony de935 a/v receiver Sony DVP-C650D dvdp Sony Trinitron 27" tv Technics dual cassette deck Technics direct drive turntable Scientific Atlanta Explorer 2000 digital cable box rock on!

we have a post basically going on this under broadcast surround. answered part of my ? mustang. dolby E - up to 7.1 channels. dts probably has something equivalent. it's a matter of getting the movie producers & then the broadcasters to buy into it. check this out: http://www.dolby.com/press/wb.pr.0102.ProdnShow2001.html or www.dolby.com or www.dtsonline.com keep on lobbying

thank goodness we have dolby out selling it anyway. dolby E, 7.1 channels even... www.dolby.com/press/wb.pr.0102.ProdnShow2001.html

another great thing for me is w/ the size I could stack the new rs-7 on top of mine (they're in the rear due to my ^% room layout). then use the corn's as a+b only for music & get guys like trey off my back for my set-up point being even if u don't stack speakers on top, they also make great tables for putting things on.