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Head spinning around ala' Linda Blair. So the answer is . . . more freaking power than my a power conditioner or surge protector can control! Therefore, I believe the answer to the original question on power conditioner vs. surge protector is a matter of form over function. If your house/apartment has weak wiring you may consider a power conditioner. For example, as a poor student, I lived in an apartment that when the refrigerator came on, the TV dimmed for a moment and if I turn on the TV, the lights would flicker just a moment. If I still lived in that apartment, I would definately invest in a power conditioner, then again, if I still lived in that apartment, it would be because I am too poor to afford a power conditioner.

I don't know if they are worth the cost but they do look cool. You may want to consider getting the HTS3500MKII. You can get it on-line for $150 and IMHO it is overpriced, but at half the cost of the one you are looking at, a much better deal. As for the Joule ratings on these, can someone with an electrical background can answer this? How much power from a lightning strike can actually make it into the house? Assume a direct lightning strike on the power line leading from the pole to the house, wouldn't the power meter blow out of the socket and affectively provide circuit protection to the house, alternatively, wouldn't the power breakers keep anything near a joule from reaching my equipment? Stated another way, how much protection is realistically enough? I think Monster charges according to the Joule Rating (ie: higher rating = higher price).

Maybe some conspiracy theorist out there can explain it to us . . . subliminal messages embedded in the sine waves of the audio signal or something. Funny thing is, and I am very lucky in this respect, my wife has been playing music in the house 12+ hours a day since the 82's came in, and when I mentioned I need more speakers, she only wanted to know if the next ones can go in the master bedroom. She became addicted too. By the way, when is that Pilgrimage?

I bought 12AWG at my local Lowes last weekend and it was actually less than .30/ft so it is most definately reasonable. If "professional looking" (ie: expensive looking) cables are important, you can get Banana Plugs for about $1.25 each at: http://stores.ebay.com/ACCESSORYKING-SALES and cable pants for $5.50 (pack fo 10) at: http://www.partsexpress.com/webpage.cfm?&DID=7&WebPage_ID=3

I am not familiar with the Klipsch Dealer Agreements, but I am sure they allow dealers to "drop ship" to customers in thier sales area (mail order is not permitted, but drop shipping in a designated sales region is not mail order). Accordingly, if you know what you want, no need to drive, just call the dealer, make your order, and have Fed-Ex bring them to your door. If that does not work, contact Kilpsch Customer Service. This company not only makes excellent speakers, thier Customer Service and Technical Support Departments are top notch. You will get a real person with real answers, not someone reading from a transcript sitting overseas with no clue.

All things are relative, in this case, relative to your budget. I am not a dealer, but based upon recent research when buying my speakers I made notes that the MSRP of each model is: RF-82 = $499 each RF-63 = $899 each RF-83 = $1,249 each The 63's and 83' were just out of my league, so I did not look very far for "street prices" on those. I have seen post on this forum claiming RF-82s bought for $770 a pair ($385 each), I bought mine for slightly less than that as part of a larger package. RF-82s up front, RC-62 center stage, RW-10 down low, CDT-5650-Cs on the side lines, CDT-5800-Cs bringing up the rear, and AW-650s playing in the perimeter

You can be scared if they send the Marines to load the truck. When it absolutetly has to be destroyed overnight call 1-800- MARINES. OOOOOH RAHHHHHHH!

1. If you bought Klipsch, your $ is not blown, it is an investment and if my wife ask anyone here, that is the ONLY ACCEPTABLE response. 2. Like the man said, there is no end. Front Main = RF-82s Center = RC-62 Sub = RW-10 Rear = CDT-5800s Surround = CDT-5650s Outside = four AW-650s On the horizon - more CDT-5650s for the bedroom and dining room, maybe a pair of 62s for the sun room, and some AW-500s for the garage. Now if Klipsch would only make speaker for my car. See, no end.

The deal is not bad as long as that is per pair price. That said, it is not great either. Many dealers sold out of the Reference III series and transitioned seamlessly into the Reference IV series. As for the 25 vs. 35 debate, definately take the 35s over the 25s if your budget will allow it. IMHO, the bigger speaker provides a fuller/richer sound and is worth the extra money. Now consider this, you can buy new RF-82s for $100 more than floor demo 35s. I have seen other posters state they paid $750-770 for a pair of 82s. I paid $740 for mine but it was part of a larger package which may account for the extra savings. RF-82s RC-62 CDT-5800s (rear) CDT-5650s (surround) RW-10 AW-650s out back

Ditto on Darsky's post. I like the Yamaha series. I never understood that term "bright" anyway. Perhaps I am tone deaf but I like mine and it pairs well with Klipsch speakers. And as for that other brand you mentioned, you can take the advise above to other forums too. When I first started shopping, I thought I wanted (insert 4 letter name brand here) and I got shot down in flames on two other forums. Likely the best thing to ever happen to me too, since that is when I discovered Klipsch and became a convert (to the speakers and the forum). Yamaha RX-V757 pushing two RF-82s, RC-62, two CDT-5650s (surround), two CDT-5800's (rears), RW-10, and four AW-650's out back.

No one asked, so I will. Where will you place the sub and what are the walls made of? It makes a differnce. You can "corner load" the sub by moving it to a dead corner and adjusting the aim at the corner until you get the right reflection. (Subs are non-directional, so the corner acts like a megaphone of sorts.) It is a trial and error thing but only takes a few minutes and from what you put in your post, you could save your money and spend it on bigger front speakers. The surface of your walls will affect the base too, so keep that in mind. My suggestion, if you can wait, is to put the RW-10 in play and see if it is enough. If it is "almost there" you may be able to tweak a little more from it with proper placement. If it "just does not get there at all" then you need a bigger sub. With a room that big, I would be at least looking at the 63's. However, most of us, myself included, don't have the spare change for 63's or 83's, so the 35's or the 82's that replaced them would be an honest choice. And as for the RB's, I agree with the post above, if you can make the upgrade now, buy the floorstanders and employ the RBs as your rears. Otherwise, use them for now, and upgrade later. Yamaha RX-V757 RF-82 mains RC-62 center CDT5800 rears CDT5650 side surround RW-10 sub and four AW-650s for the neighbors []

This is excellent, if the neighbors get mad during my begining of summer pool party, I am going to show them this picture and tell them they are lucky you aren't next door. And all I have are my little speakers. Yamaha RX-V757 RF-82 mains RC-62 center CDT5800 rears CDT5650 side surround RW-10 sub and four AW-650s for the neighbors []

I auditioned the 35's and 62's before buying the 82's which were not in stock. I elected to buy the 82's and had to wait because the factory back-ordered them and I live only a few hours drive from the factory. The 82's arrived last week, so they are starting to ship now. (the back-order was primarily related to the cherry finish according to my dealer). As for sound, get the 82's. And, if I were you, I would be contacting a shipper to find out what it would cost to buy them in the US and pay shipping. If my math is right, 1300 Euros is $1599 USD. RF-82's list for $500 each, and I am sure you pay shipping for the difference. Yamaha RX-V757 RF-82 mains RC-62 center CDT5800 rears CDT5650 side surround RW-10 sub and four AW-650s for the neighbors []

According to a Tech at Yamaha, the RX-V and the HTR are built on "almost identical platforms" but the HTR line is specifically built for mass retailers where the RX-V is built for the "High End Audio" shops. The Tech would not verify for me that the RX-V is better or worse, but when pressed told me if the price was anywhere near the same, to buy the RX-V model. So, I did. Yamaha RX-V757 RF-82 mains RC-62 center CDT5800 rears CDT5650 side surround RW-10 sub AW-650 for the neighbors []

I auditioned the 61's in Dallas, they sounded great to me, but I don't declare myself to be an audiophile expert. That said, my room is 18 feet x 20 feet, not much larger than yours and I bought RF-82's which are paired to a Yamaha RX-V757 (100 watt X 7) so I can tell you, floorstanding will not be too much soundwise. As for asthetics, that is a personal choice, I thought the 82's would be too big and my wife threw a fit when she saw the boxes coming in the door but after the speakers were placed, and we both heard them, we agreed, anything smaller would have looked out of place and never given as rich a sound. I have no idea about the side vs. upright issue. Yamaha RX-V757 RF-82 mains RC-62 center CDT5800 rears CDT5650 side surround RW-10 sub AW-650 for the neighbors []

You could try E-Bay, but . . . you get what you pay for, and not always much of a bargain. May I suggest you consider the new Reference IV line. You won't spend that much more to get the warranty. Plus, I can tell you from experience, finding a deal is difficult. I spent countless hours scouring ads, E-Bay and other auction sites, as well as searching "whole sale" sites on the internet and all the speakers I found were either no bargain, damaged, or coming from questionable sources. In the end, I just bought new RF-82s and even got them from my local dealer for the same price some "Discounters" on the internet wanted for RF-35's that were advertised as "close out stock".

I am trying to determine if I need an amplifier and need help/advice from someone who is knowledgeable and not trying to make a commission. First, I have a Yamaha RX-v757 Receiver that delivers 100 Watts X 7 channels. My front speakers are RF-82's and my center is a RC-62 (each rated 150 Watt RMS 600 Watt peak). Do I need an amplifier for my front and centers? If my reciever is pushing 100 watts but the front and center are rated at 150/600 is the 150Watts a minimum? Will I damage my new speakers by under-powering them? Second issue: I plan to use the A/B option on my receiver to run the "presense speakers" (8th & 9th channels?) output into a speaker selector switch. From the selector switch, I plan to connect a pair of CDT-5650-Cs (50Watts/200 peak) in my Master bedroom and two pairs of AW-650s (85watts/340 peak) outside to provide music on the patio and the pool area (3 pair total). Do I need an amplifier to power these speakers since I am splitting 2 channels (1 output) into 6 channels (3 outputs). I expect the four outside speakers to be used extensively and if we are having a party the reciever will be trying to power the outdoor and the main speakers inside at the same time. Assuming I do need an amplifier, how big, how many, and where do I place them? Should I amplify the signal before or after the speaker selector switch? If I amp before the selector switch, can I use one 5 channel amplifier to amp the left, center, & right speakers as well as the 8th&9th channels going into the selector? Or, do I have to run two amplifiers, one for the LC&R and one for the 8th/9th channels regardless of where the 8th/9th channel amplifier is placed? Since I am in the process of showing my ignorance in this matter, I may as well ask one more question. Does a 5 channel amp know what is connected to it? The ones I have looked at all have dedicated Left, Center, Right, Left Surround/Rear and Right Surround/Rear outputs. So, do I have the option of running one amp for my needs? For what it is worth, my system runs 80% music 20% movies, so the surround and rears are not used often (only for movies once or twice a week).

The ones that arrived today are going in as my rear speakers. The walls in my family room are made in Pecan wood picture frame paneling (read, wife will not allow holes in the wall). I have the room for rear speakers, but I just can't get them to work with the layout and decor (wife won't approve of anything other than ceiling for rears and surrounds). I intend to put in another set later as my 6th & 7th channels similar to what you are doing. The reason I decided to do this one pair at a time is so that if I don't like them in the ceiling, I only have one pair which I can relocate to another room. I did get to audition the R-5650-C before making a purchase and they sounded great, so I don't think I will be unhappy. I will, of course, give a report when I have these installed. Am I allowed to post actual prices? Klipsch MSRP on the CDT series is as follows: $375/$325/$225 each respecively for the 5800/3800/2800. I am sure you are aware all three have 8-inch woofers, (the 5800 and 3800 have Cerametallic and the 2800 has poly) and the real difference is in the tweeter. Titanium for the 5800, Aluminum for the 3800, and Silk for the 2800. I bought the 5800's for $230 each. I don't remember the price quotes on the 2800's and the 3800's but IF my memory serves me correctly, they were $140 and $210 respectively. Keep in mind that I did buy my CDTs as part of a larger speaker package. <>Front = RF-82s Center = RC-62 Sub = RW-10 Rear = CDT-5800-C Surround = Reciever = Yamaha RX-v757

Yes, they are available. I have two CDT-5800-Cs that are enroute right now, ETA tomorrow. One of my local dealers (I have 9 within 30 minutes drive) told me she has the 3800's in stock but I opted for the larger 5800's anyway. If you can't get them locally through the nearest dealer, let me know, I will put you in contact with my dealer.

Thanks for the recommendation Doc. I was seriously leaning toward the RF-82 for the sole reason it is the "new" version. In fact, I just placed the order for two RF-82s, a RC-62 center, a RW-10 sub, and 2 CDT-5800-Cs for the rear with plans to add two more CDTs later to make a 7.1 system all powered up by a Yamaha RX-v-750 that my loving wife gave me for Christmas . Anyone interested in buying Klipsch in the DFW area, should talk to my dealer, the speakers I ordered today came in less than $2K.

I have auditioned the Synergy line against the Polk RTi-8 and RTi-10, IMHO, the Klipsch sounded better and cost less. More importantly, the same day, I auditioned the Klipsch RF-62, Klipsch RF-35, Klipsch CDT-5800-C, Anthony Gallo A'Diva Ti's and, and Anthony Gallo Refs. Klipsch cost SUBSTANTIALLY less and sounded as good as the Gallo Ref's. Although I did not perform a side by side of the RF-62 with the Polk RTi's, my wife and I both agree, the Klipsch wins hands down on sound, clarity, and performance over the Gallo A'Diva Ti's which I am positive everyone will agree are far superior to Polk's RTi series. Finally, don't discount the Reference series based on price. I have been shopping, and with a little patience, found a local dealer willing to make a deal (I have 9 dealers within 30 miles of my house, which may help) and I can get Klipsch Reference for less than the local "big box" store wants for the Synergy speakers. In fact, my only hesitation is that I have been offered the RF-35 and the RF-82 for the same price and I can't choose (I have not been able to perform a side by side.)

I have the RX v-750 which is the next step up, and it is fantastic. Yamaha RX series come with a handy feature, I think they call it YPO or somthing like that, but basically, you have an option of setting a microphone (included) in the middle of your room and the reciever has a built in logic that will balance the speakers for optimum sound. It does make a significant differnce, even with cheap HTIB speakers. I can't wait to hear it with my new Klipsch speaker set up, which I am in the process of selecting right now. Only dig I have on the Yamaha, the lights are orange, every other component has green. Hey, if that is the only complaint, it can't be all that bad.

I was able to audition the RF-62 speakers today along with the R-5860-C ceiling speakers. I can say it was impressive. So, I have decided, based on hearing the 5860's and some advice from Klipsch Technical service to drop the idea of the RF-10s in the rear and go for a 7.1 set-up utilizing the new CDT-5800-C ceiling speakers for the rear and sides. Now my problem is what to put up front. I still like the RF-52's and there are no RF-35's in my area. So, I am left to buy from one of those "left over stock liquidators" if I want the 35's or stick with the 52's. Budget won't allow me to go to the 82's, which I understand are the direct replacement for the 35's. Has anyone had any experience with one of the three close out liquidators in New York? I know I would be better off with ligitimate 52's than fake 35's.

I am new here, so bear with me. I am trying to select speakers for my family room that will serve double duty. 80% music (background primarily) and 20% home theater. The room is 20 X 21 with 10 foot ceilings, hardwood on the walls and carpet on floor. Asthetics allow floorstanding in the front and I may be able to get away with floorstanding rears, if I can keep them under 32" in height, however I prefer something less available to our child and my wife is in a state of confusion, she wants them in the ceiling for appearances, but she does not want them "attached to the house" in case we move in the future. What is the real difference between the RF-25 and the RF-52 series speakers and should I pony up the difference and just buy the RF-35s? I have been offered the RF-52's locally for $225 each plus tax. I can get the RF-25's for $270 each or the RF-35's for $350 each on the internet (plus shipping). I plan to match the center channel, which may affect the purchase decision but so far, it looks like I can get any of these in a matched set. The RF-52 is the least expensive but I can fit the 35's in the budget (subject to approval of the wife). My question is, are the 25's worth the extra cost? If so, are the 35's worth the even more substantial difference? Finally, I am concerned about the warranty issues. There are no 25's or 35's available locally, these are from an out of state dealer who will remove the tags. 52's are readily available. I think the RF-62's are outside my budget. Any suggestions on the sub? I am thinking a RW-10 (it will be set in the rear corner under a decorative table). Finally, has anyone tried out the CDT-2800C ceiling mounted speakers. I plan to use these as my rear and surround, keeping in mind, I could go with the RF-10s for the rear. Again, I need opinions. Would RF-10s in the rear constitute overkill? Do the CDTs deliver? If I do install the CDTs, the main seating positions are 8 feet off the back wall, where should I place the rears? In the corners, about 2 feet out of the corners? And if I decide to go with 7.1 do I put the surround in the ceiling at the mid point of the room or closer to the seating position (off-centered by 10%) and will this affect where I put the rears? By the way, this is all going to be powered by a Yamaha RX-v750 receiver, (100 watts x 7 channels).