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I can't speak to the RF-7 because my wife cut off my budget before I got there. But, I do have the RF-82s paired with a RW-10 Sub and I can tell you it will fill a good sized room very well. I listen to an eclectic mix of music, from Celtic to 70's rock and 80's hair bands to blues. The combination sitting in a 20X21 foot room with 10 foot ceilings is amazing and everyone who hears it compliment the system on clarity. When I was shopping a couple years ago, the RF-35 was still available and only one shop in the Dallas/Fort Worth area had the RF-82s on the floor at the time. Lucky for me, they had both and while I am no audiophile, I really think I could hear a small difference, the 82s were more crisp in the high tones. I don't think you will go wrong with either the 35's or the 82's but I would lean more towards the 82's.

The RF-83 replaced the RF-7. The two are very similar and I am sure someone can give the technical differences, but the most notable physical difference is the cabinet is more narrow on the 83s and I think it is deeper too. Internally, if I remember correctly, the 83s have a new (read improved) tweeter. As for still being on the website, I think the RF-7s are still in stock at many stores, so that stands to reason. <> <>

I think you should dump the ML and get an RC-62 you will not regret it. Out of curiosity, if you are running a center channel, why not rears?

I have a new question. I have read post that say separate components are better than a single integrated receiver/amp. So, which of the separate components has the volume controls on it? I am still trying to power those four AW-650's I bought. I secured a 2 channel amp with enough power, but no volume controls. I can come out of my Yamaha's zone 2 pre-out but I need volume controls, alternatively, I can use the analog output on my CD and bypass the HTR altogether. So, what component am I looking for now. Any help would be appreciated.

This thread seems like a good place to ask my question. I have four Klipsch AW-650's still in the box that I just don't have anything to power them. So, I need a recommendation on a two channel amp that won't break the bank. I am running a 7.1 reciever inside, and think that since my outside speakers only have to do music, I could run cables from my CD player (Pioneer PDF-1009) which has both coax and optical outputs to two different recievers, one to my Yamaha inside and the other to a second high amp reciever. Then I could connect the outdoor speakers to a second 2-channel amp. I am thinking I need to run one pair of outdoor speakers to the "A" and one pair to the "B" switche. The advantages, if I am correct, are(1) I could choose to play one pair or both outside; (2) no need for a speaker selector on the outside speakers; (3) a second amp provides volume control for the outside independent of the inside (4) this setup would free up my A/B/A+B switch on the main/inside amp so that I could put speakers in the garage, master bedroom, my daughter's room, etc. via a speaker selector switch (considering the need of running more than one pair at any time on this amp (B switch mode) would be rare. First, am I correct on my application analysis? (IE: Will it work?) Second: Suggestions? I have a tight budget so I have to find used and even then, I am not going to be able to go high end.

If asthetics are a real concern, the Klipsch CDT-5800s are a great option too.

Are you looking to sell it as an all or nothing set, or will you split up? If you are willing to split it up, what color are the 83's?

xdetroitx, I don't know much about the RS42s but I have the RF-82s and RC-62 on a Yamaha. You mentioned only 100 watts 7.1 so probably the same one, and I can tell you it sounds great. You cannot go wrong with the RF-82s. I know the purist like the non-Reference line, but read a few postings in this forum and everyone tends to agree on one fact, the RF-82 is the best bang-for-the-buck. When you run set-up, the receiver will likley default the 82's to "small", reset that manually to "large" and then when asked during the set-up if you want bass to the sub only or to both, I recomment you select bass set to "Both", I stumbled into this by accident and not knowing choose these settings, it makes a huge difference. Of course that could be because my sub and mains are separated by 20 feet.

I am not sure if the line up, did the AWs replace the SAs? Either way, I have four AW-650s in my back yard, two on the patio and two on the corners of the house to cover the pool area. No complaints from the neighbors yet so I either don't play them loud enough, or they just sound so darned good they can't complain. I can't attest to rain, I live near Dallas we are in second year of drough but I can attest they hold up well to the sun and heat. [H] Worst case, if you are worried, they mount on brackets that make them fairly easy to remove, just put some banana plugs on your cables, and if the rare storm does appear, take them inside. Alternatively, mount them under the roof eaves so as to create a watershed, only blowing rain could reach them that way. P.S. AW stands for All Weather, 650s have 6.5 inch drivers, 500s have 5 inch drivers, etc. All have horns so they all sound Klipsch sweet. They are very efficient like all the Klipsh speakers too.

Diana Krall, now that is music that you can feel; try a little Mazzy Star or Nina Simone to go with Ms. Krall and the only thing missing will be a cold pint of Guinness. Although she is not a jazz artist, I have to give honorable mention to Liz Phair too.

Yes, the price I paid was for a pair of RF-82s. My dealer is just a few miles away and has to pass my neighborhood to get home, so I got real good service. He did not have them in stock and had to order them in for me, so when they arrived, he called and brought them to my house on his way home. I don't expect all dealers to act that way, and I am sure this one does not do that for everyone. Check for local dealers in nearby towns if you have to, but don't buy from unknown sources. You can get legitimate equipment with a little shopping for the same price as on-line (questionable equipment) if you consider the shipping cost. Here is what I did after I decided I had to have Klipsch. I auditioned a pair at a local dealer that has a good inventory, but not so good prices. Then I shopped around until I met Kelly (the dealer I bought from). Kelly told me that he would match or beat any legitimate price. I explained that I could buy from an unauthorized seller on-line for X price plus shipping. He grabbed a calculator and told me he could sell me speakers and save me a few dollars. Even after sales tax, and a higher sale price, my total came out a few dollars less than buying on-line and paying shipping. Plus, I have legitimate speakers, no B-stock, full warranty, and a dealer to talk to if a problem occurs.

The new Reference IV line is much smoother than the line it replaced and almost anyone on this forum will tell you the Series III line was superb. So, yes, the newer models are better, improved tweeters, and the speaker boxes themselves are different dimensions which unlike automobiles, is not just an asthetic change to make your model "the old style". You cited some prices, those are list. You can buy for less than list with some shopping. As an example, you reference $750 for a pair of RF-52s; I paid $720 for a pair of RF-82s. I had to call every dealer in town, but it was worth it. I have also heard other claims of similar deals. I love my RF-82s and think they are excellent for music. My application is 90% music in fact. If your dad has the room for floor standing speakers, I would highly recommend the RF series over bookshelfs.

"There is a boom that sounds loud but then there is a bass that shakes you and rattles your teeth. If you ever heard a locomotive pass with that bass you can barely hear but can defintely feel, that is true bass. The term Boom is for weak and lesser subs." Again, it is a matter of prefernce and application. I don't want my teeth to rattle and I don't want to feel my seat vibrating. I use my sub for one thing only . . . low frequency sound effects, if the crash sound real, then it has done it's job and that is all I ask.

Just curious...have you actually heard what a better sub can do in your main listening environment (aka, not at the store)? I have no doubt that you're more than satisfied and everyone has different tastes, but "volume" and "extension" are two very extremely different things. I just have a hard time believing someone has heard something way better and thought it was a waste of money...not trying to argue or anything - if you're satisfied then that's all that matters. Like you said, "different tastes". I personally don't want to feel the music in the phisiological sense. I think if you want to feel the music, listen to something that has soul and feel it inside. My application is 90-95% music and for that, I run only the front mains in 2channel. Don't get get me wrong, home theater is nice, and I love mine, but my speakers were selected based on the way they sound for music. The only reason I have a sub at all is for the occassional car crash . . . ie: the boom. I turn it on for movies, then turn it off when the movie is over. I don't even use it when watching the Mavs (there is a definate energy/vibration in the stands that no HT can re-create, no matter how big the sub). I think the question that started this was what sub would be recommended for the RF-82s, and I stand by my response. I have a RW-10 and it works great for my application and tastes, I will continue to think any larger sub would be a waste of money.

I have to agree. Klipsch created a real prize with the RF-82. As for the center channel, I wish they had made a RC-63. I have space constraints and a RC-82 would be too tall and the RC-64 was too long/wide. You asked about the RF-82/RC-62 match-up . . . I have the RF-82/RC-62 set-up and love it. Note, however, I use the speakers for 90% music (unless the Mavs are playing, then I may use more HT). As for the sub, I bought a RW-10 and it has enough boom for my use. I was told when I bought my system to get as big a sub as I could afford. Personally, that was poor advice and would have comprised a total waste of my money. In fact, last night we watched "The Island" and my wife had me lower the sub's volume. I think it all depends on how large is your room? Where will the sub be placed? And, how much bass do you like? I have a large room with my sub corner loaded and I am not a bass freak, so a RW-10 works great with the RF-82's in my application. But, that is for my room and my taste.