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I like Denon because they are high current receivers and tend to have more headroom in my experience. They also seem to be more accurate with their power rating. The Ultimate Electronics stores here have dedicated Hard Rock Cafe theaters, showcasing the RF-7s paired with Pioneer receivers and they never sounded as good as what I was hearing in my house (and I have an "obnoxious" room). I have owned Yamaha receivers (sounded great in a smaller room) and have demoed a pioneer in my house (was offered a deal;-), but I prefer the Denons. I have the Denon 3805 and it would be my choice out of the ones you have mentioned, if you can't find a discontinued 3803 at a good price. In my main HT I use the Denon 4802R, which is THX ultra II certified and is about to be replaced by the 4806 (It retails for $1800 but you may be able to get a good deal;-)It is a KILLER receiver. I haven't any experience with the 2805, but have heard it sounds nice with the RF-7's and does have the room eq function. All this being said peoples hearing is different and the acoustics of your HT may be different from mine.

I agree with Fish--see if you can find a used Denon 3803--If you are going with a retail establishment on your Klipsch purchase, see if they will throw in the Denon 2805 for a discount. Definitely stay with the RF-7/RC-7 combination.

oneleggedbob, I would call the salesperson at the retail store and tell them you were really impressed with the RF-35's but you can't see paying $750. Then tell him (or her) about the deal you've found and that you would rather buy from them, however this deal is to sweet to pass up. Ask them if they are willing to come down on the price to make the sale (also let him know that with tax it is going to cost you over $800). If they aren't willing to negotiate then they don't want your business--something tells me they NEED your business and will accommodate you. If not--Road Trip;-) Something else to consider about the benefit of going to a dealer is you get the Klipsch 5 year warranty, plus you have negotiating power when you need to buy something else (after all you already bought these speakers from them--your part of their "business," family). Once you get a deal and have rapport with your salesperson, they are more apt to give you a deal in the future. I also agree with BillH, about fear of the "unknown." Good luck with your negotiations.

fini, Thanks for sharing. Your comments brought a tear to my eye. I took care of my mom during the last 8 months of her life and as tragic as the situation was--I wouldn't have traded a minute of it for anything. I realized then, that my mothers humor and humanity (along with my wonderful father) made me who I am today. I won't be so presumptuous as to say I know you, but you do have 6,629 posts. I wish to say, be strong and cherish every moment. Life is important, and none more than yours at this very time.

---------------- On 4/9/2005 8:47:29 PM johnyholiday wrote: "an for me hk drums suck, an dennon pianos suck ---------------- You are already ahead of me. I didn't realize either made drums or pianos.

OOps I knew that. Now I really feel silly

I am glad I was some help. Maybe MikeKidd was right about there not being much difference in receivers nowadays. I am just anal enough to A/B test a few for my own personal satisfaction. The reason I asked about the "THX Ultra 2" vs. "THX Select 2," is because that link you provided says that the Yammi was the latter. I went to THX web site and couldn't find the info on the difference. {edit: BTW it doesn't hurt my feelings that you like Yamaha--They make good products}

Sorry johnyholiday with 1 "n." My mistake (edit) I don't know about others but I didn't put words in your mouth. You said: ---------------- On 4/9/2005 5:54:07 AM johnyholiday wrote: i love my Yamaha 7.1 you can dial it in ,like their other fine musical instruments ,seen elton john playen a dennon piano lately or a drummer beaten a HK drum, an they made, an make one heck of a good guitar an on an on ---------------- Some would take your meaning that Yamaha was better at making receivers than Denon and HK. I don't understand what your latest post has to do with HT receivers--But no hard feelings.

Hey BobbyT, I am curious; What did you upgrade from to Yamaha? Here recently you were looking at Pioneer and B&K. I see in a previous post from last year you were looking at Krell and B&k--you surely didn't go from one of those to Yamaha, did you? {edit:What is the difference between "THX Ultra 2" and "THX Select 2?"}

I for one am not going to bash Yamaha. J.4knee may be right that with the RXV 3300 they made improvements. I owned 3 Yamaha receivers (RXV-793/795/800), before I switched to Denon. Regardless of Johnnyholidays observations, There are probably more of us that switched FROM Yamaha, than TO Yamaha. I also feel with the Klipsch alliance that Yamaha will work out (if they haven't already) the observations that so many of us made on a sonic level, before switching. BTW Johnny, nothing wrong with loving your Yammi 7.1, but Denon and HK make fine receivers.

I am no expert in this matter, but like I said previously, media shot on 35 mm film can be transferred to a 16x9 HD format. Look at 35 mm still pictures, they appear to have a similar 16x9 aspect ratio. The explanation is what you are referring to (such as HH) was never SHOT in a 4x3 format, only displayed that way.

Weird I noticed that there are 2 exact same posts, 2 minutes apart. I responded yesterday with a lame poem. I then wrote this: It appears that the Outlaw lfm-1 is a down firing sub that uses a 325 watt Bash amp with 1300 watt peaks. The RSW-12 uses a 625 watt Bash amp with 2400 watts of dynamic power. {edit: The RSW is Front Firing}Both have variable crossovers from 40 to 120. The stated bandwidth of the Klipsch Rsw-12 is 22 Hz-120 Hz. I couldn't find those numbers for the Outlaw. From Personal experience the RSW-12 sounds excellent for music and movies. Not only does it thump for movies--It is also tight for music. {edit:I see what happened}

EDit: I believe I can get more channels but I haven't really tried (not really interested in WB&UPN). ABC comes in spotty--I am too far away from their broadcasting area for my inside antenna.

It appears that the Outlaw lfm-1 is a down firing sub that uses a 325 watt Bash amp with 1300 watt peaks. The RS12 uses a 625 watt Bash amp with 2400 watts of dynamic power. {edit: The RSW is rear Firing}Both have variable crossovers from 40 to 120. The stated bandwidth of the Klipsch Rsw-12 is 22 Hz-120 Hz. I couldn't find those numbers for the Outlaw. From Personal experience the RSW-12 sounds excellent for music and movies. Not only does it thump for movies--It is also tight for music.

Bill, I don't know where you live but get a standard antenna. Outside of Dallas, I get 4 networks in HD.

I take my hearing aid out and play anything by Led Zeppelin at full volume (I don't have Dean's crossovers yet).

---------------- On 4/8/2005 12:47:00 AM MrMcGoo wrote: Fox's "high definition" is 480p. Bill ---------------- FYI-I have just been informed that it is actually 720p

Wait When I am at relatives houses, THEY play 50's lounge lizard music whose covering Moody Blues songs! Excuse me--I've got to go change my Will...

Welcome RadChad, If you want to be bad, the RSW needs to be had, to shake the nads' and be obscenely Rad. Just my opinion. I have the RSW-12 and it is a thumper. I don't know anything about the Outlaw you are referring. Good luck in your choice.

Welcome to the Forum, There is a good chance you are going to get varying opinions different from mine--Don't listen to them. Just kidding. I would set the LFE to "LFE plus Main." On my system this helps make the right and left sound stage, more directional on action movie's low notes. I would crossover at 80 on the receiver and "disable" the lowpass on the sub. This way you don't have to get up and change the setting on the sub (if you want to experiment with the crossover). Do the Y adapter as you are planning. On the phase setting--If it doesn't sound right, flip it and see how it sounds. If your bass sounds "muddy" go back to "LFE only" and see what it sounds like. There are alot of opinions on these settings and everyone's HT room is different. Try a few and see what you like. Good Luck.

---------------- On 4/8/2005 12:16:01 PM mtber101 wrote: Lastly where do you think I should look to get a set? I'd like to get a deal and keep the warrenty but the closest dealer is about an hour away. ---------------- I would drive for about an hour in that direction. I would also audition the RB-75's and compare (if you have decided on Bookshelf speakers). If they have a pair of RB-5's they should be marked down because they are discontinued, and a heck of a BS speaker. Lastly, if your nearest dealer is Ultimate Electronics call ahead and see if they have any in stock--Don't order from them unless you are going to walk out with them, IMO. Good Luck and post the results

Mr. McGoo, It appears we both have systems that work for us. I watch the stock market & News Channels on my DirectTV all day, intermingled with HD shows on the 7 commercial free HD channels I receive. I do not wish to time shift anything that I watch (that may be a difference between us). I don't watch much network TV. My nightly viewing is mostly DVD's and listening to DVD-A/SACD's, until my wife informs me John Stewart is on; Afterward, we watch Jay Leno in HD (In September Letterman is supposed to be converting;-) Bill, When you do upgrade to HD, Please let us know your opinion.

Mr. Mcgoo, I think you have legitimate reasons for not getting HD TV for yourself. We are in agreement that 480i converted to 480p looks great on these High Definition monitors. That would be benefit alone for purchasing a High Definition set for some people including yourself. I wish there were more programing, but I don't regret the money I spent to be able to receive High Definition. Where we disagree is your statement "The industry will try to control too much of your use. If you want to let them have that control, go ahead. It is a free market." I believe it more correct to say the industry's policies and politics are keeping YOU from buying into actual HD. I respect that, but I know no one who has upgraded, that feels differently than myself. I also haven't seen any commercials in HD except for more HD programing. There are more and more programs and channels being added all of the time--I can tell you THAT from personal experience over the last year. There will be even more soon because "the industry," wants people like you to join in on the REVOLUTION--Keep fighting the good fight

---------------- On 4/7/2005 3:33:01 PM RickB wrote: I watched Battle of the Bulge a few days ago and I couldn't believe how good a 40 year old movie looked. ---------------- I agree. I saw that also. I wasn't even planning on watching it but got captivated by the picture. There was a movie with Natalie wood, I saw on HD net and it was INCREDIBLE how beautiful she looked. She was even before my time

Way. Things that were shot on 35 mm film can be transferred to a high definition format, and look fabulous (If the film quality is there). Hogans Heroes was shot on 35 mm film and looks crystal clear in a 16x9 format. There are also some old movies I have seen ("Towering Inferno," is one) on HD Net, that were shot in that format and look great on my 65 inch, 16x9 TV.