cybergeek

quote: Originally posted by IndyKlipschFan: My Origional thought was: 12 Gauge speaker cable, and properly shielded. My example Woods Wire made in the USA (In this case LOWES, or any Home Depot) provided a BIG savings. IMO... << I guess that is the problem, it is just that, an opinion>> This could save people wiring a room when they need 150 ft in my case or more in speaker wire. Kind of help your fellow "klipsch friends" with a great find. I think you meant properly insulated. Regardless that brings up a downside of cheap speaker cable. Reliability. I hope your low cost cable is cheap because of low marketing costs and not lower manufacturing expense, read quality. If not try not to put too much wear on the jackets or hope there not a defect. The only amps i have ever blown were due to that - a short inside the speaker cable. ------------------ live long & prosper

Thanks mav! & if you're ever in the Pacific NW be sure to stop in for a few Red Hook! most dems do have good hearts though. it's just those & some of their leaders' philosophy that all that matters is they take $ out of the pockets of the more economically productive people in society. even if it's just pissed away by the government. those should hope they don't get that which they wish for. they'll see that then everyone loses. i.e., don't bite off the hand that feeds you. ------------------ live long & prosper

quote: Originally posted by discorules: Some of that tax increase that help generate the projected surplus will used to give a range of tax payers some form of refund this year to help pay for that gas and electric bill. that has to be tongue-in-cheek. so the government takes more of our money then, gets a measly 4-5% return, then gives it back. i'm sure that's just what they had in mind. if that's not, in the words of steely dan, pretzel logic then I don't know what is. though it was close, gore lost that election every which way. & he doesn't stand a chance of ever winning after what he put this country through. dick nixon puts him to shame. sorry you're getting money back to pay the high energy bills from the clinton admin. to you w/ love. funny how bush has done so much more in a few months than willie did in his entire 8 yrs. time to move on & let the good times roll (despite the liberals). see ya suckers! ------------------ live long & prosper

quote: Originally posted by discorules: At least she was voted in. That's Democracy, not a coup d'tet. What I can't believe is that 5 justices appointed a couple of multiple convicted DUI good ole boys to the White House. that's just being a sore loser disko duck. the U.S. supreme court simply had to react to a left-wing FL Supreme (kangaroo) Court that was out of control, i.e., changing their own set orders in the middle of their own game. & in case you haven't read the unofficial vote recounts, they all show that bush would have won FL even w/ the most liberal counting rules. even though the liberal tv networks released the results an hour before the polls closed in the FL panhandle. you have to ask how any organizations could be so ignorant. studies have shown that cost bush over 10,000 FL votes. maybe the networks should be directly taken over by the gov, at least at election time. i'm sure that's something you could go for. ------------------ live long & prosper

Sorry to tblasing as his intial post was obviously more for reduced government spending. I guess we all want that as long as it doesn't take any $ directly out of our pockets. a complex problem indeed. though i think any spending for education is an investment in the future of a country. as long as it's extended only to those who truely need it. i don't agree wholely that spending a tax cut is what's best for this country. personal saving & investing is much more beneficial to all. capital formation creates more jobs & it does not spur inflation like direct spending does. better for the individual because the return is in actually $, not material gain (sorry klipsch). as i touched on above, higher marginal tax rates discourages higher worker productivity & investment. quite contrary to an efficient market economy. a flat tax is the most fair for everyone. it's only unfair to those continuously looking over the fence at their neighbor & what he has, while ignoring the fact that, in a capitalistic economy, they can make a difference for themselves. this mindset it that on which socialistic, facist, & communistic governments thrive. in defense of the wealthy, & given the above on investment, who do you think is most likely to invest their tax refund rather than spend it? kind of obvious that giving more $ back to the more productive workers is better for the economy isn't it? label it trickle down economics or whatever, but it makes a lot of economic sense. but the dems will keep pounding in your head that the government will help you rather than you help yourself. they make you despise the wealthy so that they can raise taxes or not lower them as much. but where did all the money go for the tax increases of the early 90's? how much refund did anyone get back then. face it liberal democrats - you've been brainwashed by big brother! ------------------ live long & prosper

yes excellent buy! This message has been edited by cybergeek on 06-08-2001 at 11:36 AM

well i'm under 30 but still more on the conservative side. guess that makes me a smart *** buylow, you can blame the energy problem on the willie admin. still too early, by about 2 years, to blame it on bush, though it's hilarious to see the liberals trying to do so along with the overall economy, stock market, etc. good ole boy. i don't know why you would call me greedy w/ my money though i agree on the opinions part. you must read pretty fast. too fast i guess as I am the one who supported government sponsered educational loans and programs. you may have used a student loan if you ever did attend UA. But I give more money to charity than you probably gross in a year so why don't you stick to your Billy Carterish humor & selling used speakers out of your trailer. You seem pretty materialistic with all the speakers. Ever try investing? i mean in something else like a stock or mutual fund, not Clinton's definition of an investment. Again, this was started by a political oriented thread & again another anti-conservative, pro-liberal quip. So if the liberals on this board have any more, bring it on. ------------------ live long & prosper

quote: Originally posted by tblasing: Let's just hope this isn't another "From the rich", "For the rich", "By the rich" letdown that I'm all too used to. thanks for your correction to the above. but one could have been confused that you meant all rich. so then you would be in favor of a flat tax as john advocates & then taxing the wealthy w/ a higher death tax? but wait, how do you distinguish how they actually attained that wealth? as for working rich, i agree to some extent to that concept as i hold in higher regard those who have worked to earn their wealth. as much so as the working poor who are trying to achieve it. however, i have no sympathy for those that have quit trying. i believe the only function of the gov is to protect people from harm from other people and natural disaster. not to protect people from themselves. if people have settled & are comfortable with their life that's fine. but they have no case to just bash wealthier folk as a whole & condone taxing people who make more income at higher & higher income tax rates. that defies all motivational & economic logic. if you want a prosperous economy that is. educational assistance to the poor is necessary & not going away. what do u want an all out revolution on our hands? we have to at least try to prime the pump of knowledge, which btw includes technical schools/training. now you have me confused though. if you advocate taxing the non-working rich more, then what's the gov to do with the money? just redistribute it to the poor? that's what the liberals had everyone believing the last time they raised taxes. (btw, that had no 10 year moratorium on that like they do the new law). but where did the money go? clinton had to bite the bullet w/ the new republican congress & agree to use the surplus to pay down the debt caused by the massive democratic congress spending in the 80's. point is the poor got no benefit from the tax increase anymore than they get any benefit from the decrease. I think we all have the same disdain for gov taxing & spending. just different values & views. ------------------ live long & prosper

I was watching the seconds on my watch until this thread got a whiney, left-wing comment in the true vein of gore's push for class warfare. why do the dems promote this populist theme? because there are so many many more votes to be had from the underperformers in this society who earn less, already pay less taxes & just keep looking for the handouts. I paid over $40,000 in taxes last year. excuse me if I get $300 & somebody who paid only around $2k gets $150. and the libs are now thinking well he inherited money and/or came from a privledged family. not the case at all. my father was a lowpaid lumber jack in the Pac NW. i had to take out loans from the government (now that's at least a motivational & beneficial gov sponsered program) which i paid back in full with interest. risked my own capital to start a company from scratch while forgoing more income as i did when i was going to school. i now employ over 100 people who also pay their taxes as does the company itself. i won't even get into all the other taxes & fees that must be paid. just something to keep in mind on these complaints about the rich. instead of dwelling on that, maybe it'd be better to take advantage of gov educational programs, which were increased with this tax bill, & improve your own situation. oh, & I'll take my $300 and invest it rather than put it on red at the casino. which do you think is better for our economy & for ourselves? ------------------ live long & prosper

yes larue. visit the wonderful new klipsch website & goto home audio->classics->then for the chosen try specs. btw, i don't see legends on the classics any more. are they currently in a black hole? ------------------ live long & prosper This message has been edited by cybergeek on 05-21-2001 at 02:13 PM

Amen my hiney! More like: what a crock! ------------------ live long & prosper

Yes FOLDHORN, You seem to be ranting & raving about something that has no relation to this thread or the other thread you posted the same rave on - NIKE shoes? How do you manage to buy anything like a speaker or electronics that does not have some foreign made parts in it? And even klipsch with their pro media still employs american people to support sales and administration of them. What is your solution to your problem any way? Or is this just a way to release your anger? Anywho, why don't you at least start your own thread for your unrelated views & not intrude on others that don't really care. Or better yet, print out your posts & take it to a therapist or at least an anger management group. GHS - that's net lingo for Get Help Soon. ------------------ live long & prosper This message has been edited by cybergeek on 05-16-2001 at 02:15 PM

great point spider! but we can't expect product/tech-oriented earthlings to mention that. ------------------ live long & prosper

hope it's not that guy from vegas

if so, call the LVPD. that's theft.

like I said learn a lot before you go into or at least buy from a retailer. You'll find many biased sales people & then you'll know more than them.

take thy commandments to visit a dealer 1st with thy grain of salt. There's nothing wrong with getting a little opinion & information from this board before getting in a potential shark (salespeople) tank. Sounds like you've already heard klipsch speakers anyway or why, after reading those negative reports, would you have an interest in them? Of course you shold listen to speakers before you buy (or keep). the ideal place to do so being an unbiased area. if you must go to a retail dealer make sure to stay away from the pimple faced sales oriented types.

my guess is yes it's cutting off the dynamic range. i have that telarc disk & those cannons go low & deep - thought I read they go down as low as 5 hz. the disk as a whole lacks some on the dynamic range, but those cannons sure don't. thought i read that mp-3 does limit the range. maybe someone else can provide the techs on that. never used it myself. which sub are you using? ------------------ live long & prosper

i too have the klf-30s & c-7 w/ a 4800 w/ the sep denon power amp driving the 30s. i however have the s6 for both side surrounds & rear surround & the klf-20 as B surrounds (for music only - 5 channel stereo). it sounds like you're really leaning toward the 20s which I think are going to be much better (even considering the added$) as rear surrounds w/ the 30s. sound great for me w/ the 30s for music only. & imho the 3-way 20s (or 30s for that matter) would be a better match to bring up the rear for the front 30s. the ksb - are you keeping them? if so you could put them on as the B surrounds on the sides for music/7 channel stereo. should match up pretty well w/ the klf for this purpose. regardless, the addition of the rear klf will make for one great sounding system for music & movies. (jmo) ------------------ live long & prosper