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dougdrake, Thanks for remembering.Hey,been up in the attic today looking thru the last eight years of Stereo Review and others and found review of Denon 3300.Also found some ad copy that was interesting for both 3801 & 3300.Can't remember the exact explanation of the music modes and switching(got to reading old Klipsch reviews)but the info was promising for my wishes.When I get time will reread and post what was, I think, what you are referring to.Remember something about the hookup hhmmmm:confused .........Keith

alynmar, sure to be conflicting opinions here. I run four KSP300's(and SW12II)in the four corners for music and if you could hear it, you would no doubt have your answer.My room has three solid walls with the fourth wall open on either end by say 10' and 8'.This vents the sound all over the house.I'm now thinking about adding two to four more speakers to the mix.Sorta straight stereo "surround". Go for it! Keith

How about just applying some of the damping material over your ears.It's quick and easy. Would that work? Just wondering. Keith

A few weeks ago one of my fine Alabama neighbors and fellow Klipsch lovers asked about an auto power on device for,I believe, a subwoofer.At that time I recommended "the clapper".I have changed my mind.On EBAY under consumer electronics-general-do search on NILES.Item # 1217797938.(I would learn how to insert a link here but I'd rather spend that time moving Klipsch speakers around my living room) Keith

RWMIN, just curious,what reciever or preamp are you using for the 5 channel stereo? Keith

DPonder: 10-4.Say any finish? Keith

DPonder, thanks for the note.Kinda like seeing a UFO.See one you believe.In this case HEARING is believing. Keith

Hey James, enjoyed it myself.Everyone can learn from a lively discussion.I appreciate everyone's input.For another interesting finding read D Ponder's comments in the General Questions section @ EPICS VS LEGENDS. Keith

I bought a pair of Magnavox speakers in 1973 and am wondering if anyone(you old heads)has any knowledge as to whether these speakers were in fact manufactured by Magnavox or maybe by someone else for them.They stand about 24"tall,about 16"wide,by 14"deep(don't have them here)and are heavy.They have one 12" woofer and one horn (approx.8"W X 3" H). They have an adjustment on the rear for highs/lows and that actually works.They are not vented.They have rubber surrounds on the woofer.They have good bass and actually have a good sound.At a glance they appear about the size of a Heresy.All comments appreciated.Thanks, Keith

rhawki, thanks for the input!Talked to a dude about the Denon today and he said the 3801,in Neo:6Music mode,does not completely eliminate ALL processing but there is no presence of reverb or echo in that 5 speaker mode.Will have to demo when I have more time.Everyone has there own likes and opinions as far as the multi-channel music goes but if room and setup are right and a person prefers straight stereo sound,I don't see how they could NOT like multi-speaker "stereo".Someday every manufacturer will have 7 channel music modes with full adjustment for each channel.That is without the "Rose Bowl,Fish Bowl,And Toilet Bowl"modes.

Eric, Thank you so much for the post on your Denon.That is exactly the answer that I was searching for at the beginning of this thread. Klewless,it is a good thing. Colin,I headed that direction in 1994.Using SonyES and Acurus amp now.Sounds great in "direct" mode(four corners only).Thinking about the Denon 3801.What I REALLY want is 4 more KSP300's in addition to the 5 I have now.Two in the front L/R corners,two next to the TV in front,two sides,two rear corners,and one center rear.Sounds ridiculous,that is until you hear it.You know that great 2 channel STEREO sound you get when you find the sweet spot with two speakers?Or how about the thin sound you get with 2 Khorns or LaScalas spread far apart?Then you want a Belle or Heresy for center to "fill-in" the sound? Well, with the above dream system there ain't no sweet spots.If 4 sound this good then heck, 9's got to sound better.My neighbor said today she finally figured out where the music was coming from. Said she always figured it was a band practicing somewhere.My response was "sounds good,huh?".She said her house probably hasn't moved over a couple inches off the foundation.Wonder what she'll say when I get the "DREAM" system hooked up? Send all donations to talktoKeith@looneytune.gone

Bob, yeah I use the adapter too.Always have. The Klipsch literature with the sub touched on that.Mine is next to my component rack so when I get the remote to use my set-up I just plug it in.Got'em on KSP's with surge protection too.Good question for BobG or Trey.

James D McCall, Got any idea who makes the recievers with the "party mde" you spoke of? Erik, Are you saying your 3300 has 5 channel stereo with defeatable surround modes, or at least decent sounding modes for music? Seems to me like a simple job of internal switching would yield the results James spoke of.My present set-up is simply L/R front stereo with signal sent via switch box to rear L/R for music.For HT I switch, via remote, to Dolby which switches on center and surrounds and I manually cut off the stereo L/R rear at the switch box.I have ES prologic reciever used as preamp with separate amps and the original question was with the idea of upgrading to 3801.Wanted to utilize all speakers without the "I laid a burlap sack over the front of all my speakers" sound.I guess the new question is this: Does the Denon 3801, in Neo:6 Music mode, offer acceptable music sound that is not overprocessed or at least adjustable to the point that you can get acceptable music sound? ALL opinions appreciated. Keith

Bob, 60-70Hz,volume set at 6. Keith

Boa12, after re-reading my post i've decided that what I should have said is simply about the same thing you said.The SW12II does have the variable phase switch and it is difficult to hear a sonic difference with a slight adjustment.I tried the major adjustment (0-180) and could hear a difference.That difference being, in my set-up, tight bass at 0 and el cheapo boomy bass at 180.I also hope Bob Probert decides to upgrade his sub and sends me a private message offering to sell me his SW12II at a very reasonable price. Whattaya think Bob? Keith

I've got a new pair of KSPS6's sitting here beside me in the floor in the way.They are next to an extra KSP300 and a couple KG5.5's that I moved in here today.Those old DCM TimeFrames under the bed need to be moved too.Wish me and ColaBear could find someone to help get this stuff outta our way.

boa12, well Bob said it didn't seem to make any difference to him.Back in '95 when I bought my SW12II I experimented with the phase switch and the only difference I could tell, on music, was at 180 the bass (for lack of a better way to explain) seemed to arrive late or maybe you could say maybe not as "fast"? Anyway left the switch at 180 and several days later, after having forgot to change setting back to 0,listened to music for a while and got the impression that the sound was somewhat confusing or maybe slightly dizzing sounding or like I had a hangover or something.Hard to explain.Anyway changed switch back to 0 and gave up drinking and haven't changed it since.WARNING: This is not SCIENTIFIC evidence.Hope this helps answer your question boa.Oh yea,kidding about the drinking part. Keith

Bob, I unplug mine after use.Wouldn't want anything to happen to it.If you decide to upgrade, let me know.I like the old-timey stuff.Oh yeah,leave it on zero.

a_d_a_m , I've got a suggestion that both Bob and I like.Get yourself four KSP300's or 400's,if you can find them,and a Klipsch sub and you'll never have to worry about the low end again. Keith

Now I don't feel so bad when I crank up my prologic reciever or listen to my 8-track tapes. Keith

erik, I will pass on the valuable information that was posted here by someone,like myself, that had been there.Run speaker wire to any location in your room where you think there may ever be a possibility that you may want to put speakers.You could draw yourself a map for future reference for the locations of your pre-wire.I just bought Monster Cable IW 16/4 at Home Depot for .55 ft to run in my "prewired" home. Keith

Am I the only person alive that prefers the straight, unprocessed,unechoeey,reverbeey sound when listening to music? And has anyone ever noticed that when you are listening to your music you notice that there is a beautiful wall of sound emanating from in front of you and maybe have you thought that if those two speakers sound that good, why don't I get 6 more speakers and a couple of powerful Acurus amplifiers and spread them around the room and have that beautiful unprocessed sound surrounding me and sounding as if I were sitting right smack dab in the middle of the jam session tapping my toe and enjoying the hech out of it.Boy, bet it would sound good.Has anyone ever thought of that?

dougdrake, thanks for the info.Have you tried this 5 channel stereo on your Denon?I know you also prefer the "direct" or unprocessed sound.If so, what did you think?I'm beginning to think that my current set-up is exactly what I need.Guess that's why I've got it.I simply wanted to send a stereo signal to multiple speaker pairs and have the option to switch to HT use easily.I've yet to hear a preprogrammed mode that I like for music. Now I think I'll just add a few more speakers and another amp or two.Hmmmm, maybe 200 WPC.

forte,go to your nearest Tweeter store and tell them you would like a double handfull of Phoenix Gold dual banana plugs.They will cost you about $5 apiece.After installing on speaker wire, insert into back of binding post.If the banana is not snug in plug,use a razor cutter blade or some other thin device to GENTLY pry the plug ends open to achieve a tighter fit.You'll have a large contact surface and ease of use.Enjoy! Keith

Who the heck said anything about night and day differences?I DO NOT have a degree but I do have two good ears.I am not going to tell anyone what they hear and I don't give a sh-t about anyones technobabble.I will tell you some things that I DO believe have improved the sound of my set-up and I would recommend anyone try for themselves.None of them made a large audible difference in my setup,if any at all.But collectively,they do.I thought everyone learned these right after learning to tie their shoes: Speakers on spikes. Line level improves dynamics. Too little power is worse than too much. Good interconnects improve sound over the cheapies included with most components. Good speaker wire/better than lamp cord. Speaker placement is important/experiment. Subwoofer-corner. Sub/speaker with amplifier-float ground. All electronics are not sonically transparent Dead is good when speaking of room acoustics. Wife likes surprise gift & pat on a#s occasionally. My 6 year old KG5.5 speaker cabs are as tight as a young girls a*s. Klipsch speakers are the best VALUE on the market. I'm sure there's more,but got to go to work. Keith