Mr. Blorry

That Guess Who song was from a live album they did in 1972, which also has a killer version of "American Woman." "Runnin Back to Saskatoon" has ended up being my all-time favorite Guess Who song. I don't think there's a studio version, but that live version is on some of their newer Greatest Hits CDs. I guess I wasn't the only one who liked the song! JoJo-- check yer private message if you haven't already! Beautiful Heresys for sale in DFW!

No, I don't have a meter, but I can tell you the 30s maintain an even tonality no matter what the SPL. They are surprisingly solid even at very low levels. With 102 db efficiency and twin twelves, it's not hard to imagine. The problem I had with the 20s at the Nursing Home was bass coupling and the dreaded spikes. The spikes help tighten the bass tremendously, but in so doing, they radiate it through the floor. The cheap-*** condos (townhouses) where I lived had all of us on the same floor sharing the same flooring! In nicer places I've seen, there is a physical break between units, separated by a firewall. Supposedly there was a firewall, but if my one neighbor's three-hundred pound son came over for a visit, we could feel the floor rebound to his every step. Conversely, when I cranked "Riding with the King" through my 20s, they felt every time Steve Gadd kicked the bass drum. The 30s are even better at the bass as you might expect, 'cause there's no substitute for size. you car hear the bass with the KLF-20s, but you feel the bass with the 30s. I suspect that if you were diligent with the volume knob, you would be quite satisfied with the sound of the 30s at near whisper volume, but it's kinda like saying you can be perfectly satisfied with driving a Ferrari around town, and never exceed 30 mph. Sadly, when I lived in apartments BK (Before Klipsch), I had to resort to headphones if I really wanted to crank. BTW, classical music is unbelievable on my 30s! Everything from the clarity of the triangle to the smoothness of the violins and clarinets to the thunder of the tympani, it's all there. It's especially nice when my tube amp is doing the driving.

Paul- Funny you mentioned the lease breaking thing. I was kicked out of a condo because of the music! I was renting from a "friend" so there was no lease, but less than FIVE MINUTES after I hooked up my new KLF-20s the old bag who lives next door came over and complained. Unbeknownst to me prior to moving in, I found myself in the equivalent of a nursing home. This lady was too old for Carbon-14 dating to be accurate. I think her first dog was a T-Rex. Anyway, I received a message from my "friend" saying that they had received a complaint about the noise, and if they heard another, I would have to go. For Chrissakes! I hadn't been playing that loud at all! Since I now knew the tolerance level of my neighbors, I immediately began looking for another place to live, and started cranking even louder! Sure enough, I got the phone call to move. No problem. If it's between living in a nursing home with crusty old bags that are two years older than dirt, or being able to play my gorgeous KLF-20s, I'll go for the latter. I found a tiny house, and I can blast whenever I want. So much so, that I upgraded the 20s to 30s, then recently bought a pair of Heresys as surrounds! It is very loud, and I love it. I definitely understand your point of view. I would have exchanged my 20s for less thunderous speakers if my living situation was worth it, but I would have never moved in had I known my neighbors were born in the Palezoic era. Good luck, and I hope those speakers suit your needs!

Hey, Keith started the Bose thing! Ed- I was only joking. I would love to hear your rig someday! I am slightly Legend challenged, and envisioning all those Legends in the same room makes me drool... I have neither the space nor the $$ to afford multiple KLF-30 pairs, and I guess I'm a bit jealous... Sorry Paul, but that's the way these threads go sometimes... Hope you enjoy your speakers as much as we do. No hard feelings?

Keith's got the right idea! Be another HornEd, but instead, be a BoseEd! Get about fifty Bose 301s, dot them all around the room, then sit back an relish in the luxurious Bose direct reflecting..uh..sound!

"Moose Jaw saw a few, Moosomin too" "Runnin' back to Saskatoon" Man, that is my all-time favorite Guess Who song! I was actually looking around at some Saskatoon websites today, wondering if it is as boring as I've heard!! Seems to me like it's a really nice and beautiful place--a perfect place to BLAST music! Course, I know it gets cold in the winter--I know cold too--I live in the snowbelt! Sorry, Jojo--just had to interject!

I'd go for the Legend series, but then I'm biased. Please don't tell me how cheap the KLF-10s are being offered, but are these folks also offering reduced prices on KLF-20s or 30s as well? Both these models have a three-way setup, and I think they handle upper midrange and highs better than the KLF-10s, which only has a two-way setup. I think classical would definitely sound better with either the 20s or the 30s. See if you can audition all of them and decide for yourself! My friendly K dealer here still has Legends as well as Reference series on the showroom floor, and comparisons are easy. Bring along your favorite tunes and ask the K-Person to play them through every Klipsch model they have!

...and what's the association with the Charlie the Tuna avatar?

Kevin You're absolutely right! I will prolly never be satisfied; hence the nature of the hobby! I still have a fair amount of "boom" and I'm guessing it's just below 250 hz or so. Does that sound about right? No, I don't have any measuring instruments; one of these days I probably will. Sorry Gil, I can't give everyone a definitive answer, except that the intermingling of the smallest Heritage with the grandest Legend seems to be a nice fit, despite most folks opinions to the contrary. Could it be that I've convinced myself of this simply because I have spent so much money? Yeah, I'm sure that's part of it, but none of this would be an issue if Klipsch had offered an bookshelf Legend speaker. For some reason, they dropped their only Legend surround, and neither the Synergy nor the Reference surrounds can hang with the KLF 30s! I've auditioned all of them. Perhaps I should have auditioned Ref bookshelf, but these Heresy Ones were calling my name. Of course, my dealer also had matching K-Horns and a Belle too! Seems that the previous owner had moved into a smaller palace, and the WAF was unbearable, even to the point of ultimatum. "It's either ME, or your stupid speakers!" Hmm... Tough choice. I may have opted for the latter! It's a shame I couldn't afford all the speakers; I don't have a WAF to deal with. Anyway, back to my dilemma. I think my original solution may be the best, although it was too rich for my blood at the time. I found a company that makes tilt and swivel television brackets for thirteen inch TVs that match up with the Heresys perfectly! The bottom plate is about an inch smaller than the speaker, and there's plenty of room behind. They can tilt downward, and swivel 180° There's also a handy-dandy strap to keep the 55 pound bad boys in place! They're about $45 a piece, but 90 clams was too much after I had just bought the speakers, so maybe in a few weeks, because my alternate cheapo solution was buying plywood, brackets and stuff from the hardware store. It looks cheesy, but the whole thing cost me $20! There's a GAF looming though (girlfriend acceptance factor), so I may need to get the brackets soon. The current setup is liveable except with a few old bass-heavy recordings (James Brown's "Cold Sweat" bass line boom is quite annoying, which is sad because the bass line is great). So, it's a temporary solution. I think the TV brackets will be great, except that once they're up, moving them will be a major hassle, and several more holes in the wall. This message has been edited by Mr. Blorry on 07-27-2001 at 10:44 PM

I agree with Hump. Grab the RF-7s and sell 'em on ebay or something, then snag a pair of 30s off ebay or a K dealer. Sadly, if you get the 30s off ebay, you won't get a warranty, and you won't be able to offer any warranty on the 7s, but you should get a decent penny for the 7s (I'm guessing, I haven't watched ebay for sale price trends). Then turn around and get the 30s! Hold on to the C-7! I wonder why your K dealer wants to push the 7s on you--are RF-7 sales sluggish already?

All we are saying....Is give Klipsch a chance. Don't hammer on yer new KLF-30s until you've had adequate time to give them a decent test drive. Not as good as the Cornwalls? Perhaps, but we are talking about two different design concepts here. I would love the A/B the two side-by-side, and I bet I would find that each speaker excels in its own way. Also, I had the distinct pleasure of testing this "break in" theory. I bought a pair of 30s that were slightly damaged during shipment. Rather than give me a small refund, my K dealer ordered another pair; perhaps the last mahogany 30s to leave the factory. The first pair worked perfectly; they just had minor cosmetic damage, and they were in my living room for three months, plenty of time to be "broken in" or "opened up." I marked their placement on the floor, and even measured the height of the spikes before I removed them--just being anal as hell. Within two hours, the spankin' new 30s were in place. My buddy and I had auditioned a few choice tunes before we disconnected the old pair, then proceeded to listen to the same songs again on the new speakers. There was no difference whatsoever. Was this a truly scientific study? No. Was it close? Sorta. I myself thought there was a difference at first, because I had upgraded from a pair of 20s in the first place, and thought they had more bass! I was mistaken. They had different bass. The twin 10" just accentuate different parts of the frequency range, that's all. If Mr. Ray G or someone who studys the science of sound is listening, I'm sure they can give a much more detailed and scientific reason for this, but I think your brain just becomes accustomed to the way the speakers sound, and if you spent a great deal of money on them, you will convince yourself that you made the right purchase and think the speakers sound wonderful! At least you know you made a quality purchase; not like the poor dumb idiot who squanders $1500 on a Bose Acoustimass!

Kevin- I didn't offer my thanks with the earlier post, but I have tried your suggestion as well, and you were quite right! After reverting them to the normal position, I angled them downward, and what a difference! The problem with myself is that I don't allow enough time to evaluate a positional change before I'm up and changing it again. This modification has been in place for almost an entire day and I'm still impressed! I think I'm close to leaving them alone! Thanks again to all you guys--

I'm being silly of course, but any psychological change may affect how we perceive sound. Could be fatigue, could be anything. Maybe the air gets thinner when it gets dark, and sound can pass through more easily?!?

Maybe it's all the Budweiser? Mine sound the same day or night!

Max- Let's not get ahead of ourselves! First, the KLF-40s, then we'll see about KLF-50s! They would have the same setup, but this time with the eighteens! Wow! Would that rock the house, or what!

Ed! Those things are gorgeous! I have never seen a pair of K-Horns in that finish. Wow! You done good, boy!

Me too. I'm addicted. I'm also addicted to this hobby! I have also never found such a passionate AND intelligent bunch of folks in the same place! Let's all thank Al Gore! (He invented the internet, y'know) This message has been edited by Mr. Blorry on 07-25-2001 at 06:38 PM

OK. First I bought a luscious pair of KLF-20s, and I thought they were the cat's freakin' meow. Then, I read through this board, and auditioned KLF-30s, and decided to upgrade to them per my K dealer's upgrade policy. While I am very satisfied with my 30s, the next step in the upgrade path is the La Scalas (Sorry, Reference series), but they're a bit too pricey for right now. Yeah, they're out of production, but what if K had made a KLF 40! Same mid and tweeter setup, but a pair of FIFTEENS underneath! I think the only thing that could beat that would be the mighty K Horn itself, and even then, it would get a run for its money! C'mon, Klipsch! Satisfy my curiosity! Make me a pair of KLF 40s! Yeah!

Jo Jo! Just foujnd these Heresys on ebay! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1258349579 They're right around the corner from me, over in Niagara Falls, Ontario. I don't know if coming from Canada would cause undue problems, but that's a question for the message board: Does anyone have problems shipping in and out of Canada?

Thanks guys, for the advice. I've gone ahead and re-inverted the speakers back to their normal position. It looked a little silly (perhaps only to me, or another Klipsch aficionado like yourselves), but while the speakers were inverted the Klipsch logo was upside down! Mr. Cool, I just thought I'd flip flop the grille--NOT! Didn't realize Heresy Ones have the fiberboard beneath the grille cloth, and custom cut-outs for the three speakers. Crap! Ok, they're back to normal. Good. At least I'm not looking at "hcspilK" anymore! Ed, I can't move the speakers down at all; in fact, they're as low as possible now! If they were any lower, I'd whang my head walking from the living room into the hallway! I've pretty much turned them to face each other, and the bass is mostly reduced. Ed, I also have a discrete 5 channel amp, so for sure I'm going to leave the Heresys on full range surrounds--I didn't spend $450 so that they could sound like radio shack whizzer cone crap! That's basically what I upgraded from! Ray, thanks for the input. I may have to give Trey a call concerning adding insulation inside the cabinets--I have no qualms doing that--unless someone else out there has done this recently??? BobG or someone else want to stick their 2¢ in? This message has been edited by Mr. Blorry on 07-24-2001 at 05:57 PM

OK. I'm pretty much stumped. Maybe you guys can help. I'm using Heresys as surrounds, and they're upright on shelves six feet off the floor. I have eight foot ceilings, and they're just two inches or so from the top. Per HornEd's suggestion, I inverted them to bring the highs closer to the listening level. (Thanks Ed!) My problem is that I have too much "boom" from the speakers. I primarily use it as a five speaker stereo setup, with KLF 30s as fronts, and KLF C-7 center, and the result is awesome! I am quite impressed, with the exception that the Heresys are providing too much bass! My question is this: I know that the low frequencies couple with the walls to further extend the bass, but how does one determine the parameters of the extension? I can only pull them away from the wall but so much; after that, it's fiddling with the juxtaposition to find the best combination. If I were to cram the speaker all the way against the wall, would I reduce bass coupling? I know that pulling them away from the wall reduces this phenomenon, but will the reverse work as well? Unfortunately my amp doesn't have tone controls for the surround speakers alone; it is shared with the other three channels, else I would just bring the bass down a bit. I'm guessing that the bass coupling is furthered by the ceiling as well?!? Does this make any sense? I hope so.

DDrake has a point concerning the directional nature of the Heritage line. I have a pair of Heresys held high aloft the floor. They're on home-made shelving sitting upright, just two inches below the 8' ceiling. I haven't finished playing with position, but the brilliant highs of the Heresy are nearly lost, which is both a good and a bad thing. I want them subdued, not eliminated! Anyway, for the time being, they are even with my couch, in the back corner of the room, and angled at 45°. The original intention was to angle them more toward the front of the room, giving a more spacious 5 channel stereo sound, but the bass was intolerable! (Bass from Heresys intolerable?) However, the more I moved them towards each other, the tighter the bass became, and of course, the high end was audible again. I'm still toying with the idea of inverting the Heresys...

What about "Sound Idea" on Oakmont Blvd in Ft. Worth, or "Colony Group" in Arlington? If they sell Pro Medias only, they ain't real K dealers!

Good for you! I think you made the right decision on not buying the Alaska speakers. I'll keep my eyeballs peeled for anything up here in upstate NY--sorry, I just bought a killer pair of 1980 Heresy Ones last week Now, as far as the differences between the Ones and the Twos, this is something I wanna find out myself, cause if these woofers ever want to blow, I wanna know if it's better to get another K-22 (Heresy I) or a K-24-K (Heresy II)??? In terms of quality of construction, IMHO the Ones are MUCH better than the Twos. The Ones are all plywood, screws and the squawker horn is steel. The Twos are mostly MDF (like all other non-Heritage models) and the squawker is plastic. Who knows? Maybe the Two is better, but the Ones are built like tanks, and are eighteen pounds heavier! Are you in a remote area? I would locate the K dealers nearest you, find out if they peddle used gear, then ask them to call you as soon as they see a pair roll into their store! I'm sure they'll call. They love moving merchandise! Call as many K stores that you consider a reasonable distance to drive--hell, check to see if they have websites, and email them with the same question! Keep on pluggin' and don't give up! There's a pair of Heresys out there with yer name on 'em!

Absolutely Monty! Part of me hates the guy's desire to flaunt his material possesions; it's almost childish. It's as if he's trying to make the rest of us jealous (and he succeeded with me)! Then I look at it again and dream. That could be me someday, with all those video titles and every audio disc known to man, and that killer Sony video projector (I was in the A/V business for 11 years--I know all about the great Sony 3-gun Video Projectors)...but where are the Klipsch speakers? With all the money he's spent on gear, just think of the Klipsch setup he could have! I would have called Hope and ordered about eleventy-six Jubilees (whenever they come out) and K-Horns and stuff! Well, if anything, at least he's sparked a conversation on this board!