Agreed, i get my first Epik Empire used from ReferenceHead, for $600, great price, i wish there was another one for sale locally. For me Its hard to save up for something that i want, ive wanted another Empire for along time, but i couldnt just say to my self ( hey dont spend this money on (blank), save up for what you really want, so now i can just do that. I miss having duel subs, even though my last Ones were Klipsch RW-12's, there not bad subs, but you gotta get em at newegg for $300, or else you spent to much. Cant wait till i order and receive my other Empire, if everything goes as planed.