Heritage_Head

Well I know in the on screen set up I can change it so it only shows one rear speaker. But I guess I will have to get the manual out to see what speaker terminal to use. The star wars blu ray set comes out on the 16th the whole set is dtsma hd 6.1 so it got me thinking lol. But I do have room behind the main LP (about 12ft of room). But the room is only 12ft wide so I don’t know how much separation I would even get going 7.1 because I probably would only have them (rears) about 4ft apart. About the width of the couch. What would you guys do?

What speaker terminal would you use for just a 6th speaker from your avr? What speaker output would you use on a 7.1 avr? Just wondering because I was thinking about doing 6.1 as well and I have a 7.1 avr.

Jason I have owned all 3 and imo the rs-52 would be plenty but the 42 was a bit underwhelming. In your case I would go 62s (just because of your other speakers and gear) and be done if you can find a good deal on them. Maybe try and find some used rs-62. (Old model).

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3db IS twice as loud, technically. The way the human ear responds to sound however, it takes 10db to be "perceived" as twice as loud http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&sqi=2&ved=0CB0QFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.decibelcar.com%2Fmenutheory%2F115.html&ei=OcVSTvmJH8XosQLHgrDCBg&usg=AFQjCNFkBKO9tlI3mspj00Qi_FtP3CoEMQ

You want your front 3 speakers to be as close as possible (timbre match). You can however mismatch for now and then upgrade later as you mentioned. What is your budget and room size?

Sometimes if you have a lot of room gain it can be a little more than 3db but if you have two identical subs level matched it’s always 3db. Twice as much = 3db.

If the box was unopened there should be no apparent signs of damage during shipping. I also agree the missing bezel is intriquing, but if you're happy with your purchase and you have a local dealer willing to help you then you are on the right track. Here is the scuff that is only on the face in spots, I believe it was the cover sliding around....I am sure a black marker can take care of that.....do you guys think that is a big deal? I know it sucks but you should return that speaker. Just too much stuff wrong with it imo

Picky, picky... Lol if I was replacing a driver I would want it to be at least mint to the eyes []

I don’t like that the dust caps are dented but if you don’t mind I’m sure it will sound good maybe even better than before. (Huge fan anything speakerlab) []

Can you post a pic?

I think the w1200R is pretty old probably what 1973? What kind of shape are they in?

Speakerlab what a great speaker in there day! I have two pairs of these (black grills though) in storage with the W12O8R drivers. Amazing bass from those speakers!

Epik makes great subs and I love the empire. Chad the owner is a super nice guy who will talk your ear off and also let you talk his off. However the legend has had amp issues being too hot and shutting down (I think it’s underpowered for two 12s). It kills me to say anything bad about epik but just giving it to you straight. Tons of happy legend owners but I have just read too many problems with the amp to recommend them. Until they fix it I would go another direction. The one thing I have noticed about the big four epik/svs/hsu/ed is that there smaller models have amp issues. I would try and get a mid-sized one if possible if you can spend 900 on an empire you would be blown away. Another option would be two emo subs but they don’t reach down to that 20 -25 Hz range with much power. And for movies 20-25 Hz sounds awesome when the sub can hit it hard, and flood your room with it. Bass is a whole new addiction and after you get a taste of good bass you will want more and better. So imo if you can’t afford a mid-level (900-1200 range) new try and find one used. Not saying you won’t be happy just giving you my experience.

Did you sell your 19” tv? lol

Emo resale value says it all. They sell for almost what they cost new. In fact I could probably sell mine and make a few bucks (bought mine in dec 2010 new for $707 to my door before they raised the prices). You already saw what you get when you buy junk (no offense)

If anything you want the surrounds to be to the side and behind you a bit. But if you want to keep them there I would point them toward the back a little. Looks good though man nice job! We all have room and seating restraints we deal with. So compromises are made in all are set ups.

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As far as I know yes, I've not read anything to the contrary. You need to try to swap wires in the speaker from one tweeter to the other and see if the problem follows the wiring (crossover) or stays with the driver. +1

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This is what I thought...when using LFE output/input I thought you would bypass the subs crossover anyway?! The reason for turning subs crossover to 120hz or higher was if it didn't have an LFE input, it would be open to accepting all signals (thus cranking subs crossover all the way up) that were sent to it from the AVR's crossover. Elemental Designs recommends doing just this, cranking crossover all the way up because they lack a dedicated LFE input. That way (as explained to me by an employee there) the sub will play everything the AVR's LFE output is giving it. Yes Svs and Epik both recommend running the subs full range (120). (def tec does to but I haven’t talked to them on the phone like I have with svs and epic). Svs told me that movie content for the most part is already crossed over to the sub. Even though the fronts have bass content the other speakers just don’t have much information below 80 Hz anyways so crossing them over in svs words is almost pointless. But bass management is needed with all channel music or really small speakers like bose cubes or something. But any full range speaker that can handle bass below 50 Hz with ease is perfectly safe handling full range movie content as surrounds or even the center speaker. The most common thing I read is set everything to 80 Hz and be done but. Per svs and epik yes that works but it’s not always optimal by any means.

There just isn’t a lot low content in most of the 5 channels other than the fronts when watching movies. Bass management has more advantage for 5 channel stereo music than 5.1 movies. The idea that we don’t over work the smaller speakers by sending the low content to subs is a popular argument made by many articles. It’s just not as relevant as it may seem. If there’s no low content going to most of the speakers anyways what are we really crossing over to the subs (other than the front channels)? And if there isn’t much information from 80-120 Hz in the lfe channel. Why would it matter if we set the subs to 120? I swear there are a thousand different opinions on this topic by audio gurus and they all make sense. It’s so far apart that audioholics has one article that says 120 Hz isn’t directional and another article written by gene who says based on a blind test they did anything over 60 Hz is. Lol and they are connected but written by two different people.

If you hate forums why are you reading and posting? There is no perfect science to this so if someone wants to try different things then they should. Setting your sub to 80 Hz for movies is fine but it’s not the recommended number in any normal set up. Would love to hear the facts behind why it’s the best way because you failed to give any. The fact that subs have 24db/12db (ported/sealed) roll offs is irrelevant. Could you please list what was posted that was wrong and then please list the facts to why before just calling people yo yo’s.

Looks like you’re getting it. Your Yamaha receiver’s bass out options is like a double bass feature. It gives you the option to send the lfe content to both your sub and mains. I would leave this setting to just the sub. And yes the bass goes down for music because there’s no lfe content. I wouldn’t set your sub to 120 for music. You’re going to have to find a good crossover for your room and speakers. Every room has different room gain so tinker with it tell you find what you like.