Panacea Engineering

Before the Jubilees were delivered, we had received another shipment from Wilson Trucking that was sort of a Care Package from Burbank, CA.

Inside with the K 402 Horns that will be tested with the Base Bin,,,,,

Another undressed picture, they really are a beautiful thing.........!

Third: You "Roll" the box twice, holding the Flaps open, where the "Top" is now on the ground or some other suitable flat surface, like your sound room floor. After you have rolled the carton, you gently lift the "Box" up intil it clears the top of the speaker and set the box off to the side. For anyone ordering the factory Jubilee, this is what it will look like. these particular models were ordered with the RAW front panel and they arrived in perfect shape and were packed as good as anything that I have ever seen....!

Second: You open the "Bottom" and fold the flaps back. It takes two people to do this and it is very easy to do.......

UPDATE: Today has been a total delivery day with Wilson Trucking and an Estes Trucking delivery from Klipsch, of a single (KPT-KHJ-LFJubilee Cabinet) Cinema Jubilee for the Horn testing. We are going to give a short detail on how to unpack a delivery from Klipsch on this particular speaker. First, the box is delivered upside down on the pallet.

Chris, Thanks for the input. The room is relitative flat, as the walls are fabric, the floor consist of a 36" slab with Berber carpeting and the ceiling is acoustical with 12" of fiberglass above. My right side is a FULL corner and the left side is a half wall, with 26' spacing. The walls are slightly angled ( double wall construction) and the ceiling runs form eight and a half feett to nine and a half. The base plate for the inner walls sits on (?) Durometer rubber, of which I can not recall the number at the present moment. The rubber strips are six inch by 7/16" thickness. The interior and exterior walls are completely isolated. Think room within a room. I just figured that the right side would be more acoustically pleasing for testing. Thanks, W. C.

Claude, The TAD's are supposed to be here today....talk about excited, as there is a Studer in there somewhere, also!!!!!!!!! I will update a little later today as we have a bunch of stuff going on.....! Will probabaly use the right side of the room fortesting, as it has the FULL corner. W. C.

Claude, Thanks for the kind words. I think you, of anyone here, can relate to MY passion for trying to understand and further development, on a few items in the speaker arena. All I want to do is share some findings....I really have NO bias or agenda, just preferences that can change anytime, as it will be a learning experience, until I am Horzontal......[] I certainly want to maintain the individuality as best that I can, as the Dealer part is purely a Service, that I have been asked to perform, and I hope that we can do it justice.. Thanks, W. C.

Richard, I am looking forward to the results with the DX-38 and what the delays bring to the table. I have used the active features of several Crown XTI's for the MCM stacks and that has worked out great. They have been used in a large open area so I doubt that I personally could hear any nuances, or major differences as I will in a much smaller setting. we also use the M3 and 4 passives with them and it is hard for me to tell any difference between the active and passive crossovers. Your right, which is better Heinz or Del Monte? W. C.

Chris, You make some very good points and believe me, I am listening to everything you guys say. The Martinelli is a unique Horn and just sounds great with the Jubilee, I know going in that the 402 has got to sound great as so many people have attested to that fact. I have just NEVER personally heard one and thought it was about time I did. I am the one spending the money for these test to help ME understand this process, so I consider it a huge learning curve for me, not some sinister ploy to degrade the K 402. It could be the combination with the Beyma driver just clicks, who knows? IF time alignment can make that or any other Horn better, I am all for it. W. C.

Mike, I can always depend on you to toss a rock. You know, the Martinelli is NOT even available any more, SO the ONLY Engineered Horn for the Jubilee Base Bin IS the K 402. Is using a TAD driver in lieu of the K69/1132, blasphemy in your mind also? If that is the case, there are quite a few that are going against the Kliopsch tradition, in your mind. ALL i want to know is if the K 402 will sound better to me as SO many have suggested. To say IT is the best Horn that has ever been put on top of a Jubilee could also be challenged by someone. I am certainly not downplaying Klipsch or as you think "Talking bad" about them. I am only in this for the research and my being a Dealer should NOT have anything to do with it. If every time I make a post on this Forum and you are going to play the Dealer Card, something is terribly wrong. You are one of the very reasons that I have difficulty trying to express anything here, as you want to challenge everything that anybody does. This isn't some type of competition or Pre-School game, it is a fact finding mission. You REALLY need to stop being so negative in your views. I would hope that I will be allowed to post as a regular member with questions and hopefully get help along the way without having to battle someone every time.

Additionally: I am pretty sure that we are going to be able to acquire a DX-38 for testing of the K 402 with various drivers. I have ALL of the files necessary to program it, INCLUDING delays, etc. I want ALL of you to know THAT I will be the first to admit; One: If it sounds better Two: If I feel the time delays made any appreciable difference, what so ever. We are going to test actively and also passively. This test is for MY ears and NO one else’s so again in any situation like this: YMMV I will certainly freely admit if I am wrong about anything, as I am pretty used to eating Crow Pie..... I wanted to do these test to satisfy, in MY own mind, that the K 402 sounds better to ME than the Martinelli Horns….That’s ALL Folk’s…..?

Chris, Help me: Isn't page four talking about Time Delay (TD) in a sweep from Left to Right between the speakers, causing the sound to shift to the Left? I contend that you can not discern the TD on a horizontal plane coming at you from the Left and Right (time Aligned) Chanel to the center listening position. Two feet is 1.8 ms and I really doubt that you could pick that up audibly. I could certainly be wrong but what you are saying IS: the K Horns I have been listening to for close to forty years is CRAP......and I just find that terribly hard to believe...! I certainly know all about delays as it relates to production work as I have been involved in that most of my career but I truly do not believe that I have been listening to garbage through my systems over a couple of milliseconds in horizontal delay. If you move the Chellos back two feet on the stage, are you going to tall me that you could notice that from the audience position? I am truly here to learn, but I don't want to be "Hog Washed" either. Can you really tell the difference between a Coat Hanger and super cooled Nitrogen filled speaker wire? I sometimes think Perception gets the best of ALL of us when it comes to audio and what we THINK WE hear.....I digress as I did not want this to become a Time Delay War........Some believe in it....Some don't...Can we just leave it at that?

Joe, The flat wire is fine as it is designed to go under carpet. You will never even know it is under there....! As Mike says the gauge is the same whether it id flat or round. W. C.

Don, ABSOLUTELY a GREAT responde.....! Hell....even I can understand that. It just seems like two feet would not make any audible difference to "perceived" sound, as fast as it travels......

Scrappy, I UPgraded from a Sony STR 5300ES to the PR 5508. You will not be disapointed. The sound quality is superior to the Sony (which was NO boat anchor) and the Video is superb. It has MORE features than you will ever use and remember it is the same unit internally as the much more expensive (by many thousands) Integra. I can't give it a high enough reccomendation and I am very pleased. Sometimes that is a very tough task for a piece of equipment in this place....!

This thread will be about MY comparison of various drivers for the K 402 Horn. The comparison will be to a Martinelli Wooden 20” Horn with a Beyma CP 750ND 2” Driver with a Two Way Passive Crossover crossed at 750 Hz. For the 402 Horn, we will be using the Beyma CP 750ND, Tad 4002 and JBL 2482 Drivers, all of which are 2” and the frequency range runs from 500 Hz up to 20K Hz. One of the biggest issues that I am aware of, when it comes to mating horn/horns to a base bin is the question of time alignment. I am hoping someone can answer the following question in laymen’s terms so we ALL can understand. Please feel free to advise, correct or suggest anything that I may have stated wrong as this is a total learning experience for me and hopefully a few others on the Forums. QUESTION: In a typical recording session of an Orchestra, the microphones (in a two channel recording) are normally placed left and right of the Conductor’s Podium. I know that in reality, most recording sessions have multiple microphones placed al over the place, but a normal two channel recording is what you ultimately hear reproduced. The Orchestra is normally situated with the higher frequency instruments to the front with the tones getting lower going back to the percussion on the rear of the Orchestra. Normally First Violin is stage left (Facing the Orchestra) about 12 feet from the Conductor and could be within eight to ten feet of the left mic. The Chimes and normally the Tympani’s (sp) and Drum section are just left of stage center and could be as much as 100 feet from the Conductor. How can time alignment possibly have any affect on anything, when the lower bass notes have to travel 80 to 100 feet to get to the same location of First Violin and the microphone? THAT is the burning question that I have and I hope someone can answer it to where I can understand the alignment theory. The listener in the audience can be anywhere from 15 feet to 200 feet from the entire Orchestra with all of the sounds traveling vastly different paths to get there. Again, HOW can time alignment have anything to do with the final reproduction through the speaker when it was messed up way before it got to the microphone? We will start the testing next week as the TAD’s are on the way from California and should be here next Wednesday. I am hoping that this thread can answer some questions that we all have and be informative. Thanks, W. C.

Hello to ALL, The following has been approved by Klipsch Corporate and the Forum Administartors. This has been a very long time in the making and has required a substantial amount of work, for all that are involved. Klipsch Dealer - Forum Announcement Where to begin? Over the last 40 or so years, I have had the pleasure of working on, modifying, listening to and just general gaining knowledge about the speakers, which we all love. Like many, I had to buy my first set used and had to go to someone’s house to hear them. Sure, you could find a Dealership but it usually required a long drive and a lot of time. Once there, the speakers that you wanted to hear were intermixed with many other brands and usually in a sound room that did not have the best acoustics. Very rarely were you able to get the TRUE sound audition for a set of Klipsch speakers. One of the biggest complaints that I have heard is; there is no place where you can audition larger Klipsch speakers, especially the Heritage line. One of my life long dreams has been to have a place where I could share my systems with others, in a comfortable setting and really be able to enjoy the music, like it was meant to be, just like it was a “Live” performance, just for you!. Well, my dream has finally come true. Due to the need to expand our operations, we started thinking about what type of building we needed, as we have just plain outgrown our present facilities. In the planning stages, starting two years ago, the idea came to me; this would be the perfect time to incorporate my dream and make it a reality. After contacting Klipsch and many conversations later, we are proud to announce that we, Panacea Engineering Company, of Charlotte, NC, have been named a Dealer for Klipsch Speakers. Our showroom will contain four large sound rooms, dedicated to Klipsch speakers, including Heritage, Reference and selected Cinema items. We will also offer selected Amps and Drivers. We have been working with an Acoustical Engineer, to come up with the best listening environment that we can provide. It will be a place where you can come, bring YOUR music, sit back or stand and audition some of the finest speakers, ever produced. We are looking to open the doors to the showroom mid September, but like anything else, subject to the constraints of a hectic construction schedule, that date is subject to change. We will be setting up a new web site and formally announcing the new Company name, in the next month. For now, we are able to offer competitive pricing, order and ship, from our existing Facility in Charlotte, NC, so please call us, if you have any questions. Now for the caveat: As a Forum member, this presents a very awkward situation for me. There are certain things that I will have to do, to make this work for all of us. We will not allow or entertain the fact, that I am a Klipsch Dealer, to solicit business on the Forums. I want to continue to be able to post as an active regular member, as several other businessmen do, on these Forums. I will please ask for your respect, in this area. Any questions about speaker sales need to be handled privately and directly, through phone calls, emails or PM’s. I will NOT discuss the sale of speakers in the Forums nor will I ever use the Garage Sale section for sales. PERIOD…..! If there is something that you would like to discuss, about new Klipsch speakers, please contact me directly; I am very easy to find. This announcement is not to solicit business; it is just to make you aware that there is a new Klipsch Dealer, to serve your needs. We look forward to working with you, on a personal basis, to help you realize the system of your dreams. Thanks, W. C. Fischer Panacea Engineering CompanyCharlotte, NC Nextel: 980-721-6567 Email: PanaceaEngrCo@aol.com

There are very few Dealers in the Country that are Authorized to sell Cinema Products. So you just can't order from any "Ole" Klipsch Dealer, with a part number.

Congratulations......! Jubes somewhere around 750 Hz (passive) and the Danleys at 80 Hz....YMMV....>! [] I'm also in the process of changing everything around as I am moving stuff to a new room, so I may have an update on this. Please enjoy and do not be afraid to experiment, as that is what it is all about....! I promise you will love the Jubes and the Danley's together, as I think they were made for each other....!

Mark, Penn State will not fight it as they have already accepted the sanctions without option for appeal. The 60 million represents ONE years revenue of the Penn State Football program...The fines are to come completely out of the Athletic Program and will not affect any educational programs in place....

One of the true GREATS is gone...How sad...! His battle is over and he can now, rift in peace.

Rich, I was right....You definately do NOT want to hook it up that way. What you are doing is NOT Bi-Amping as you are sending a signal back to the amp that is not in use and could cause damage. If for some reason both amps were energized at the same toime, you could let some smoke out of both....! W. C.

You are only supposed to use the screws for attaching one set of speaker wires. The bottoms, where the nuts are, is the pass through from inside the cabinet. Yes, you are taking a chance on burning up an amp........