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Here they are without the grilles.

Here they are with the grilles in place.

<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />OB said, . . . wish you were local . . .<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> OB, youve got it all wrong. Its like the plane on the conveyor. The speakers and I are local; its you that is not local. J

$300 takes local delivery of a pair of Heresy HWO 145X549 and 145X559. They have been fitted with Crites tweeters ( I don't have the K-77s anymore) and new caps also from Bob. They sound much better than they look; they're respectable but not fine furniture. The grille cloth is good, but one of the copper logos is missing. I'll post photos tomorrow. If you want to incur the expense and take on the risk to have some local UPS-type store pack and ship them, I'll deliver them within a 25 mile radius of 48009. If you're interested, shoot me an email or PM.

Oldbuckster said, Corvette's 63-67, the Creme of the Crop, IN MY OPINION, prices from $40,000. and UP, Top Shelf units well over $100,000.......................Brand New C6, let's call it $60,000 for the Best Corvette ever built.................You tell me what is the better deal?.........<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> I agree with most of what you said, except the answer to the above question is not as clear as you would suggest. The well bought 63-67 Vette is likely to retain more of its purchase price than a new Corvette, which will only depreciate drastically in the foreseeable future.

Rockets- Have you seen Jay Lenos custom Toronado? If not, go to the link below. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> http://www.cartype.com/page.cfm?id=1095

After listening to her in Standing . . . , I bought Joan Osborne How Sweet It Is. After her performance in Standing . . . , it was somewhat of a disappointment, but enjoyable nonetheless.

mdeneen - You're spot on about Diana Krall. dtel's wife - Joan Osborne is amazing in Standing in the Shadows of Motown, the story of The Funk Brothers. I'd neither seen nor heard her before seeing that documentary on DVD. I recommend it to one and all. This is way OT, but, since I'm offering unsolicited testimonials about DVDs, check out The World's Fastest Indian with Anthony Hopkins as Burt Munro. My lovely wife initially thought she wanted no part of a movie about a motorcycle, now it's one of her favorites.

AN said, I nominate NOSValves' spelling "Crawl" as the Klipsch forum misspelling of the month. I'm not laughing AT you, I'm laughing WITH you. I'm not sure why, but that just hit my funny bone in a particular way<?xml:namespace prefix = v ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" /><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Lets assume that Craig spelled it that way intentionally. Just because one is spelling challenged doesnt mean that one cant express an opinion through a play on words. Craig has a sense of humor.

Joe,<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> The following (in blue) was posted earlier by another member. I can't vouch for the accuracy. This question comes up frequently enough to justify a permanent spot on the forum. Klipsch Date Codes ExplainedKLIPSCH S/N FORMATS DATESDESCRIPTIONEXAMPLE 1946-1947###001 (ending #021) 1948-1961####0121 (starting #0121) 1962-1983##letter####20Y1234 1984-1989(?)YY WW ####89281234 1990-1997(?)DOY Y2Y1 #### 135791234 1998-2000YY WW ####00281234 1962-1983 Letter format A = 1962F = 1967K = 1972R = 1977X = 1982 B = 1963G = 1968L = 1973S = 1978Y = 1983 C = 1964H = 1969M = 1974T = 1979 D = 1965I = 1970N = 1975U = 1980 E = 1966J = 1971P = 1976W = 1981 NOTES 1946-1961 dates can only be found in log book (eng. Library) DOY = day of the year YY = year (i.e. 99,00) Y2Y1 = 2nd digit of year, 1st digit of year WW = week of the year Date code on drivers (1994) Example - 9429 = 1994, 29th week of the year / YYWW Klipschorns of this vintage had the s/n hammer stamped into the tailboard, woofer access door or inside the woofer chamber.

Lighting guy- That's the best $50 you'll spend to have Craig service them on their way west.

Ray Garrison directed us to this link: Here's what the Jet Propulsion Lab at NASA has to say about it. The JPL link introduced sailing into this thread.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Sailinglike this whole threadis counter-intuitive. Most non-sailors are surprised to learn that a sailboat is "pulled" by the low pressure area in front of the sail on a broad reach, and that a sailboat goes faster on a broad reach than when going straight down wind. The phenomenon is even more pronounced with iceboats. The ubiquitous DN iceboat can go 60 mph on a reach in a 20 mph wind; it seems like getting something for nothing, but its not. Thank the low friction of runners on ice, the vector forces and the Bernoulli Effect. Theres no perpetual motion and no free lunch. Speeding across the ice powered only by the wind is a real rush.

Hey now!!! I think my spelling and grammar abilities have went from like 6th grade to 11th grade around here in the last 5 years!! Next year I get a degree for graduating the klipsch forum school of spelling and grammar! This new spell check software sure helps!<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Craig- Your spelling and grammar have made tremendous strides, not that it matters. We love you regardless. Its your knowledge and willingness to share that knowledge that we value, not your writing style. Youre even becoming a diplomat and humorist. I really enjoyed your wry observation that you were being looked to as the voice of reason in some recent spats among other forum regulars and one former forum regular.

HarryO-<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> You type faster than I do (which is damning with faint praise). Your reply beat my edit. The link below is to a site that purports to have the Pyle Pro PH2380P available. Im tempted to buy a pair. http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?Source=googlebase&ProductID=16186

Is that the Pyle Pro PH2380P horn referred to by Bob at Re: CornScalas are sweet - thanks BEC or something new and different? Bob Crites is a tremendous resource and asset to the hobby and this forum. Good luck with your speakers. I'm eager to hear your impresssions of the final (if such a thing exists) result.

What's with the double exposure?

Regarding the efficacy of backs on folded corner-horn speakers, I speak from experience of a sort. As I have indicated several times in the past,[1] I used four Speakerlab SKhorns in a mobile DJ business in the mid-70s. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> The speakers were ordered assembled in raw plywood. They arrived in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Michigan from Seattle in plywood shipping crates. Anticipating that good corners would seldom (read never) be available in the school gymnasiums, cafeterias, etc. where I deafened adolescents, I used the plywood from the shipping crates to add backs to the four speakers. The backs did not extend beyond the speakers, as would be ideal in real false corners (hows that for an oxymoron?), but they were effective. Naturally the bass was better when two of the four speakers were properly positioned tightly into the corners along the long wall of my parents living room. Nevertheless, moving them out of the corners (with the backs in place) was not as detrimental to the bass as one would expect. I have had La Scalas and the bass from the SKhorns with backs and not in corners was considerably better than La Scalas. To put this in context, the power to the 8ohm speakers was from a Dynaco 400 amp. When using two speakers/channel in parallel, the load was 4ohm and the amp was rated at 300 watt/channel into a 4ohm load. The bass was tight and fast. When a sorority called to book a return engagement, the young woman asked me if the price included the drummer. She was certain there had been a drummer at the prior event. It was all I could do to persuade her there had never been a drummer. With all of the SS power going into four corner-horns with backs and not in corners, you felt the bass; it felt like a live drummer; it was a cut above La Scalas.[2] [1] See http://forums.klipsch.com/forums/thread/401946.aspx [2] Please understand that I love the sound of La Scalas, including their bass, but they could not compete with the corner-horns.

You and your mom are in my prayers.

Klipschaholic asked, Does anyone have a manual for the 730? photocopy maybe?<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> A pdf of the HK730 Service Manual is attached. Enjoy!

Williams Volkswagen, Porsche, Audio, Mercedes, BMW & Subaru<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Oops! Freudian slip.

Tom Blasing said, " . . .Sure liked it [TR-7] better than that damn Porsche 914...yech!!"<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> The 914 was a disappointment. In <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Europe it was marketed as a VW, rather than a Porsche. If you look closely at some of the magazine ads for the car you can see the VW logo on the dog dish wheel covers. As disappointing as the 914 was, the 914-6 was a car of a different feather. With a real 6 cylinder Porsche engine in front of the rear wheels it was a 911 eater. I was working in the service department of Williams Volkswagen, Porsche, Audi, Mercedes, BMW & Subaru when a 914-6 came in for service. The mechanics, who were used to being unimpressed by Porsche 930s, etc., gathered around the 914-6 like flies to honey. EDITED @ 1902 EST to change Audio to Audi.

I built the Rotus 8 (Lotus 7 on steroids) in the avatar. It would pull greater than 1 G on street tires and do 0-60 in less than 5 seconds. Power was from a 63 Buick Special 3.5 liter aluminum V8 with a Carter AFB, Crower cam, tube headers and Super Trapp exhaust. More than 200 hp and 1,800 pounds made it fun to drive. Sadly, I sold it years ago after it had a bad encounter with a <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Detroit pothole. The last time I saw it was as it went onto a car carrier headed to Florida.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> That car was fun, but probably not more fun than the 61 VW Beetle I drove in college. I put a 65 Corvair engine with a Carter AFB and tube headers into it. With about 150 hp, it would pass anything but a gas station. It wasn't exactly a sleeper, with Mustang Poppy Red (orange) paint and 15" Chevy chrome reverse rims. It was fun to be cruising on the expressway at 70 mph when some Cadillac driver, who couldnt tolerate following a Beetle, would come up from behind. Id gradually increase the speed until we were both doing 80 and then Id floor it and leave the big car wondering what happened.

Which would be your weapon of choice in an amp fight, Moondog or VRD, and why?<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> For the purpose of answering the above question, assume that the civil use of written words has failed us (not hard to imagine). Instead of a civilized debate, were in an open field hunkered down behind the speakers of our choice with the opposition 100 away using the speakers of their choice as protection. As in most things audio, there are no universally correct or incorrect answers, only opinions. The Moondogs would be easier to throw with accuracy, whereas the VRDs would inflict greater damage if you scored a direct hit. Conversely, the VRDs have more tubes that could be used as ammunition prior to heaving the rest of the unit. OK, its a ridiculous premise to use amplifiers as weapons of combat. But, its only slightly more ridiculous than trying to convince someone that your preferred amplifier is better than his/her preferred amplifier for playing music.

Colin, you answered, "YES. Mine are. Beyond the 10:00 posistion on the volume dial, my 3.5 watt 2A3 tube Paramours (6-watt max) driving the mid and upper horns on my Khorns in a small, but open, room are TOO POWERFUL. The C rated, slow, SPLs in the mid-90s are too LOUD." I respectfully suggest that you have answered the third and/or fourth alternative (posted above) to Parrots original question in the affirmative. An amp is not too powerful just because it will play louder (with or without tolerable distortion) than your desired listening level. If your statement above genuinely supported a yes answer, it would mean that maximum desired listening level would be at maximum available volume (gain). Who among us would seriously want an amp that played just loud enough only when the volume (gain) is pegged?

<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> If your amp's too powerful is your significant other too good looking also?