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The "regular" version of the Heritage Jubilee (with walnut or black ash finish) has been available since production started last year. I've had my walnut pair for about a year. I assume that I am the Forum member to which you are referring. Mine are not Anniversary edition.
As far as sales figures, I couldn't say. I've seen probably somewhere around ten other pairs posted to the various Klipsch Facebook groups. Don't know how representative a sample that is of the total.
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I don't understand why you don't just buy a pair of Heritage Jubilee if you are willing to spend that kind of money. You admit they sound better than your speakers. There would be no advantage to having a 3-way Heritage Jubilee. Yes, the K-510 in a 3-way would prevent some HF beaming without Roy's phase plug. However, Roy's wide dispersion phase plug was designed to accomplish the same thing and is very effective at doing so. (In any case, this only helps for off-axis listening anyway.) And a 3-way configuration gives up the almost point-source dispersion that the 2-way configuration has. I have watched movies in my 5.0 Jubilee setup. There is no problem at all with dialog intelligently with the Heritage Jubilee. The Jubilee also had no problems like that in the much larger Klipsch lab listening room.
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17 hours ago, diamonddelts said:
An update. I played around with Klipsch 3 way passive crossovers, Klipsch passive 2 way crossovers, and Xilica XP 4080. A/b switched back and forth between Celestion Axi 2050 on K402 horn with 2 way crossover vs. KT-1133HP on K402/K-691 on K510 horn with 3 way crossover.
Here are my thoughts. The Celestion Axi 2050 cds have a natural clarity to them which is very impressive. Sound was very cohesive even when sitting as close as seven feet from the speaker. Sound was more controlled and seemingly a bit more refined upon first listening to the Axi 2050. However, on certain tracks the mids did not appear as prominent as with the 3 way setup. And switching to cinema for movies was even more of the same. Dialogue sounded recessed and I had to crank the volume a bit to hear voices which I could hear clearly at lower volumes with the 3 way setup.
The K 1133HP with K691 on 402/510 do sound better the further you sit away from them. Preferably at least 15 feet or more back. The upper mids and HF can be a bit overwhelming if you are used to the 2 way version. However this can be easily tamed with onboard eq or with electronic crossover. The mids sounded fuller with the 3 way setup and HF range sounds more prominent especially with movies. I can't help but to feel the 3 way setup has more potential though it can be fraught with more obstacles as well since you are adding another crossover to the mix.
Needless to say I sent the Celestion Axi 2050 cds back for a refund yesterday. I was really, really bummed because I wanted them to blow away the stock drivers which came with the 535 B Jubilee horns. But this was not my experience. A well known, prominent member here warned me this would be a lateral move at best. I should have listened. I would have saved myself alot of time, money, and agony. Lifting the 402/510 horns with the CD 2050 and K 1133HP/K691 drivers off and on the speakers several times by myself was no easy task.
I have a few more drivers I am going to try this week with the 3 way setup but if I don't hear any discernable differences I will have to stick with the stock 535 drivers. They sound much better than I gave them credit for and I love them in combination with the QSC RMX 5050a amp which just arrived this week.
I used M6 35mm threaded studs for the install of the Celestion Axi 2050s if that helps anyone down the road. I was doing some reading on the latest iterations from Klipsch with the K-691 and folks were saying it was a rebadged B&C driver. Does anyone know what the K-1133HP driver is?
How did you go about programming the Xilica for use with the Axi2050/K-402? How did you determine the PEQs and crossover settings? Did you measure any of these setups and if so, where (1m on axis of the K402, listening position, something else)? Did I read it correctly that you used the passive crossovers with Axi2050 in some tests? I can't imagine you would get anything like the correct response out of the 2050 with any of the existing crossovers. As I mentioned before, I'm one of the few people on the planet fortunate enough to have heard both the Heritage Jubilee and the 2-way Underground Jubilee in same room. I also own a pair of Heritage Jubilee and have used the Axi2050 on a center speaker for the Jubilee (a mod that can no longer be discussed here). It took me a while with a number of iterations working with Chris A directly to get the correct measured response on the center speaker. Your experience is the opposite of mine. Both my Heritage Jubilee and the center speaker measure flat through the mids and highs at 1m and at the listening position and sound that way when listening.
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1 hour ago, diamonddelts said:
Any suggestions on the M6 threaded studs length for the 402 horn bracket?
I'd suggest going to a hardware store and getting an M6 machine screw that's at least 40 mm long. Screw that into the hole, measure how much is sticking out, and subtract that from the screw length to get how much length you need for just the driver. Then use the same bolt to determine how much length you'll need with the horn, bracket, and nuts. If I were home, I'd try to estimate the later for you on my Jubilee. Unfortunately, I'm about 6 hours away from home.
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You will need M6 threaded studs similar to these: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07RB8ZJZ4/. What length you will need with depend on the horn/bracket you use.
You will need terminal connectors like these: https://www.parts-express.com/1-4-22-18-Nylon-Female-Disconnect-50-Pcs.-095-300. This crimping tool that someone recommend to me is great for these: https://www.parts-express.com/Ratcheting-Crimp-Tool-For-Insulated-Terminals-360-642.
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11 minutes ago, amheck said:
I'm limited to about 32" max height on the center.
If you removed the Belle Klipsch riser and maybe the spacer between the bass bin and the top section, it would probably just make it. If you decide you want to try that, I have taken a Belle apart before. So, I can answer questions about what to expect.
Other speakers to consider as centers are a few from the cinema line. Thers is the KI-396-SMA-II model with the horn rotated for horizontal use, the KI-398-RGL which is horizontal, or the 3-way KI-362-SMA-II which has rotating horns for either orientation. I know of several people who have used the KI-396-SMA-II model with the horn rotated as centers for their Underground Jubilee setups.
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I wouldn't go with anything below a Belle Klipsch for the center, a third La Scala would be ideal. Having a center with direct radiator bass is going to have much more bass IM distortion than one with horn-loaded bass. Also, the smaller mid-horn would be less dynamic. For the surrounds, you could likely get away with the smaller Heritage speakers. However, going with fully horn-loaded at all channels would be best, maybe with a horn sub to fill in the bottom end.
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Here's the ".5" series brochure for completeness.
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Spec sheets attached for the kg3 and the KG ".2" series full line. I hope this helps.
KG-3-Spec-Sheet.pdf Brochure_920500_Kg_point_2_series_635164772691700000.pdf
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I can't believe I almost forgot. Today is what I consider my first Jubiversary. One year ago today, the piano movers transported them from the garage to my living room, we cranked them up for the first time with Dark Side of the Moon (the piano movers request) and sonically nothing in my home was the same again. I've learned a lot about getting the best sound out of these over the past year and haven't once regretted my decision to purchase them. Thank you to Paul Klipsch and @Chief bonehead for creating and evolving the best speakers I've ever heard.
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40 minutes ago, jjptkd said:
Looks like a 6.5lb weight difference wonder if some sort of support mechanism could be made, maybe a "Z" bracket?
AXI 2050:
Specifications: • Power handling: 150 watts RMS (AES Standard) • Impedance: 8 ohms • Frequency response: 300-20,000 Hz • Sensitivity: 108 dB 1W/1m • Dimensions: 7.8" dia. x 4.4" D • Weight: 16.5 lbs.
B&C de75-8:
Net Weight 9.9 lbs./ 4.5 kg. Yes, I have an Axi2050 on a horn that is slightly larger than a K-510. However, I have a steel bracket between the horn and driver supporting the weight.
Regardless, the Axi2050 is not an appropriate "drop in" replacement for the K-691 if using the existing passive crossover.
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Are you looking for a driver that can replace the K-691 while using the existing crossover?
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4 hours ago, diamonddelts said:
Well I've been travelling around to 3 states over the last month. During my travels I had a chance to hear Underground 2 way Jubilees, 3 way 535 Jubilees(full stock from Klipsch), and the new Heritage Jubilees. With that being said here are my thoughts:
The older 2 way UG Jubilees were impressive on their own. But after hearing the new Heritage Jubilees, I could definitely hear improvements in the low mids, upper mids, and especially in the lower bass frequencies. The low bass without any subs on the new Heritage Jubilees is amazing with two channel music. The higher frequencies seemed much less bright and more refined with the Heritage Jubilees. The overall sound of the Heritage Jubilees is more cohesive from the top down.
I figured this would be case before I got started with this trek. But what I did not account for is the HF prominence with the 3 way Jubilees using the 510 horns. The treble seems more pronounced and easier to hear distinctions on certain tracks.
My takeaway from this is I would really like to see a double blind listening test set up between the three models. As for me personally I must admit I much prefer the more distinct HF of the 3 way model. If I could get a custom 3 way Heritage Jubilee I would be all for it. Now before anyone throws insults my way or thinks I am speaking from a place of jealousy please keep in mind my wife an I are in the process of selling four homes.
So lack of funds is not a issue for me at this time. I am simply being honest about my impressions of the aforementioned three models.
I've never heard the 3-way cinema configuration of the UG Jubilee. However, I was lucky enough to hear the 2-way UG Jubilee and the Heritage Jubilee in the same room. This was in the Klipsch lab listening room in Hope. The Jubilees were setup by Roy himself. My experience of the HF performance difference between them does not match with your experience. In fact, it's the opposite. During that mono side by side, I thought the Heritage Jubilee had much better high-end extension and clarity than the 2-way UG Jubilee. The same HF performance is what I experience with the Heritage Jubilee in my living room too. I even measured the response at 1m on axis of the K-402 and at the listening position in my room. The HF response is almost ruler flat out past 20 KHz. I'm wondering if something was amiss in the Heritage Jubilee setup that you heard.
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Klipsch stopped putting response graphs on brochures when the KG ".2" series was released.
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The correct answer will depend on the type of finish. The pictures look like an oiled finish. However, you can verify this from the serial number tags on the back. Attached is a document I put together that may help.
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8 hours ago, Bjorn said:
An off-topic question. Does anyone know which DSP the new Jubilee is using?
A custom DSP just for the Jubilee. Roy did not mention who was manufacturing the units at the last JubFest.
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The Celestion Axi2050 will work with any 2" throat horn. However, it will not work with the KI-396 passive crossover as the driver requires significant EQ for flat response. It's also physically deeper. You should check to see if it will fit in the cabinet.
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3 hours ago, Yeats said:
Thank you, MMurg. I was pretty concerned about whether or not I'd be able to keep the Heresy on the floor in the Center position or if I'd need to wait to find a single Forte and have to raise the TV. ANd who knows how long that find would take?
Mine was slightly elevated in a piece of "home theater" furniture purchased in the days when I thought I'd probably never have a bigger TV than the monstrously heavy 37" CRT TV we had in this. 🙂 Here's a picture with the KLF-30s. (The books under the TV in the picture were there to keep the cat from getting behind the TV by squeezing in at the corners.)
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I used a Heresy II as a center with first original Forte and later KLF-30. The Heresy III should work very well. Getting the Heresy horn height as close to the ones on the Forte would be a good idea, although in my setup I couldn't do that and it was fine.
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I would like to get more information on this. I don't have any issue with my pair of P-39F at the moment. However, I might be interested in getting a spare woofer or two just in case.
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The key to distinguishing the original kg series speakers from the Heritage or Forte Family (Forte, Chorus, Quartet) ones is the width of the veneer band around the grill. On the original kg series the band was a smidge over 1/4" (except the kg2 which didn't have a veneer band). The band on the Heritage or Forte Family speakers was about double that width. So, because of this and as others have corroborated, the speakers in the original post are kg4.
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7 hours ago, wuzzzer said:
Umm, I’m guessing you didn’t see when this thread was originally posted?I did a legacy products search on klipsch.com last night and nothing showed up. That's why I asked. Did it again just now and there it is. I must have make a typo in my search last night.
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Is KSB-S1 an actual Klipsch model? Did you mean KSB-1.1? If so, there are some available for sale. https://www.hifishark.com/search?q=klipsch+KSB-1.1
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A third KI-396-SMA-II would be the ideal center. If you can't fit one vertically, there is (or at least was) a horizontal version made for horizontal center channel use. I know that @Paducah Home Theater has sold some. Contact them to see if this is still available. (Picture courtesy of Cory Harrison from a Klipsch Owners Facebook group post of his.)
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Where are the "new" Jubilees?
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An average size room can work just fine with a little effort. As @Chief bonehead has said before, "smaller rooms need bigger horns."