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  1. Well, all of the center speakers of which I spoke were properly level-matched when I was using them. I used the same sound level meter for all of them.
  2. I'd have to respectfully disagree about the KSP-C6. When I did my center comparison between the KLF-C7 and my Heresy II, I threw in the KSP-C6 that I had gotten bundled with the pair of KSP-S6 surrounds that I was really after. I posted about this whole comparison to the Klipsch Owners Facebook group. I'll repost the text from that post here for your consideration ------------------------------------------------- Now that I finally have KLF-C7 I decided to do a comparison between that and the center I’ve used for years with my KLF-30, a single Heresy II. I also threw in the KSP-C6 that I got with the KSP-S6 I purchased a few weeks ago to see how it fairs. Since I redid the family room system with Palladiums, my KLF-30 have been moved into a two-channel system in the less used living room. I’m driving them with an older pre-HDMI Denon surround receiver. So, I temporarily hooked up the center speaker connection and moved the KLF-30 slight further apart to fit in a center. All speakers except the KSP-C6 have Crites titanium tweeter diaphragms installed. I only have an old “universal” DVD player hooked up there, so I had to used DVD movies and multi-channel DVD-A/SACD discs for the test. Since I don’t have the space or equipment to set up rapid switching between them, I determined and recorded the proper level for each center before all the testing. That way I quickly reset the proper level when switching them. I know this is not a scientific test but my impressions of each are as follows: Heresy II: I almost didn’t bother getting this out of the box to test since I’ve used it as the center for the KLF-30 since I got them and been very satisfied. Since both the KLF-30 and Heresy cross from horns to cones at nearly the same frequency (825 Hz, 850 Hz) the low distortion through the mid-range comes through on each. To my ear, this is best match of the three. They work very seamlessly together particularly in the vocals. KSP-C6: Using this as center immediately reminded me of the short time that I had an Academy as a center with my Forte. I did not find those two to be a good sonic match. The Academy was a good speaker but sounded more like KG series to me. It’s the same with the KSP-C6 in this case. While it’s a good speaker it is own right, it is not a good sonic match for the KLF-30. I found myself constantly distracted by the mismatch. One interesting thing about this speaker is that while it has a square horn mouth it actually has a “slot-horn” design (parallel vertical walls that then widen out more than the horizontal walls) giving it a 90° horizontal x 60° vertical coverage pattern, which is the opposite of the KLF-C7. Because of this I expected it to have decent off-axis performance, but I was wrong. I found that the sound quality dropped pretty rapidly as you moved off-axis. Since I now have the KLF-C7 for the system I’m putting together for my son, I’ll likely end up sell this one at some point. (Edit: On second thought, this would probably be a good match for my stand mounted AW-650. If my son wants to do outdoor movie night with his friends again, I can make it a 5-channel setup using the AW-650, the KSP-C6, and a pair of KSP-S6 on stools. 😊 ) KLF-C7: I was very skeptical of this being a good match with the 3-way Legend series towers even though it’s the center made for the Legend series. My experience of mixing 2-way and 3-way Klipsch speakers in the front stage has not been good. However, the KLF-C7 really surprised me. This is a really good center speaker and a good match for the KLF-30. While it is missing some of the mid-range richness of the Heresy II, I found the match across the front to be very good and almost never distracting. Also, even with the horn coverage pattern being 90° vertical x 60° horizontal the off-axis performance was quite good for a horizontal MTM speaker. It’s the first 2-way center that I could likely live with. I’m really glad I finally snagged one of these.
  3. Thanks @RandyH001. To everyone - Merry/Happy Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Festivus, Saturnalia, Yule, Winter Solstice, and whatever else I missed.
  4. First, I'm not sure any of the current Reference or RP centers will be a good match. They are probably voiced too differently. When the era of Dolby Digital surround started (probably around 1992), I had original Forte speakers for the mains in our first home theater. I was looking to get my first center speaker and had the following experience. At the time Klipsch only had three speakers marketed as center channel speakers: the KG 1.2V, the KG 2.2V, and the Academy. At first, I tried going as inexpensive as I thought I could reasonably go and purchased a KG 2.2V. This speaker was totally inadequate to match the Fortes. It sounded nothing like them and could not “keep up” due to much lower sensitivity/max output. So, I traded that in for an Academy. I did not find it to be a sonic match for the Fortes either (despite Klipsch marketing it as such). It was definitely a much better center than the KG 2.2V but still didn’t work for me. It sounds more like a match for the original kg series, not the Forte family. From the moment I started using it, I was aware of the sound character change in the center as sounds panned across the front. It was very disconcerting and was a constant distraction. Soon after I got the Academy I went back to the dealer and made a deal to trade it in for a single Heresy II. The 3-way design was a much better match for the 3-way Fortes. I have been happy with that decision ever since. Just recently I acquired a KLF-C7 for another system. So, I did a quick comparison using KLF-30 mains with the KLF-C7 and my Heresy II. The KLF-C7 is a decent match for 3-way Klipsch mains. It's definitely not as good a match as a Heresy but it's a better match than the Academy in my opinion. So, if you can't accommodate a Heresy (or even better another Forte) then I'd look for a KLF-C7. Now I know that the KLF-C7 at 11" is taller than 8". However, consider putting it on top of the stand with the TV on top of it.
  5. Until someone reaches in and writes "Dust me" with their finger. 😁
  6. RF stands for "Reference Floor-standing". That's why the bookshelf speakers were RB, the centers were RC, and the surrounds were RS.
  7. Klipsch marketing decides what's a line and what isn't. Unfortunately, they have decided to leave a weird confusing status quo. This is what we have now: Current Reference line - These are the speakers at your average Best Buy, etc. Current Reference Premier line - Pretty obvious. Flagships of the Original Reference/Reference II line - These are the RF-7 III/RC-64 III. The old Reference/Reference II line held a market position more like RP than the current Reference. The current revisions of these models also have more in common technologically and cosmetically with RP as well. Since these are marketing terms, I think a case could be made to just make the RF-7 III/RC-64 III the flagships of the RP line. Alternatively, there could possibly be a marketing advantage to giving these their own moniker like "Reference Ultimate". Ultimately, doing either would be better than the confusing status quo.
  8. While they are a flagship of the Reference/RP group of models, they are not "the flagship" of Klipsch. The title was until recently for the Klipschorn. The Jubilee will assume that title once it's in production.
  9. Klipsch really confused the branding of Reference and Reference Premier. First, they had Reference. Then they created separate Reference and Reference Premier lines. All the while they kept models from the original Reference line which are "above" the new lines but are more like RP than Reference, without giving them a new name. I suggest they call the RF-7 III/RC-64 III something like "Reference Ultimate". 😁
  10. LOL. I won't have to worry about messing with the gain as I'm going to use identical amps for LF and HF.
  11. Roy said at JubFest to do exactly that with identical amps. He said that if you are using identical amps to just to set both knobs at max since the gain is identical. If you were using different amps for HF and LF then you need to use them. Ideally you would measure the response with something like REW and adjust accordingly.
  12. The knobs on the crossover are really only for handling gain mismatches when using different amps for HF and LF. They are not meant to be tone controls.
  13. I only asked them for a measurement of the back panel width (17.5") as the other dimensions I needed to make a top view outline can be found on the preliminary spec sheet (found on this page: https://virtualvoxx.com/premium). Note that some of that information may change. One change we know for sure is that there are two 12" woofers while this spec sheet says there is only one.
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