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---------------- On 5/2/2005 4:01:15 PM seti wrote: Push Pull Vs. SET Debate On Jerry Springer! http://forums.klipsch.com/idealbb/files/js.jpg"> It's sad when it becomes more fun to discuss ead pizza toppings on this forum than amp topologies Someone nextday me some chicago pizza and i'll fedex you some backwoods arkansas bbq ? ---------------- Setl: I'm in Rochester, NY can do NY Pizza or Buffalo Chicken Wings. If either of those interest you, we have a done deal. Tom & Silversport the same goes. FOOD TRADE!!!!!!!!!!

Tom - I am starving after reading your post. Sitting here eating Goldfish. I think I will order a Pizza - extra sauce Meat Lover style. Scott, I know what you mean. Anyone try a breakfast Pizza?

---------------- On 5/2/2005 2:55:20 PM dragonfyr wrote: ---------------- On 5/2/2005 2:52:21 PM dodger wrote: ---------------- On 5/2/2005 2:43:48 PM NOSValves wrote: I though this was a Pizza thread http://forums.klipsch.com/idealbb/images/smilies/11.gif"> ---------------- It is. A perfectly good discussion of toppingsology. Someone always tries to hi-jack a good thread. http://forums.klipsch.com/idealbb/images/smilies/3.gif"> http://forums.klipsch.com/idealbb/images/smilies/12.gif"> http://forums.klipsch.com/idealbb/images/smilies/9.gif"> http://forums.klipsch.com/idealbb/images/smilies/3.gif"> http://forums.klipsch.com/idealbb/images/smilies/1.gif"> http://forums.klipsch.com/idealbb/images/smilies/12.gif"> ---------------- Nice to hear someone discussing something important and of substance for a change ! ---------------- In all seriousness, I take that as a great compliment coming from you. I find that the classical or the meat lover's does sound best as there is enough balance and enough to make a statement.

---------------- On 5/2/2005 2:47:17 PM silversport wrote: If that's what you call it...too low powered and kind of compressed in NY...now in Chicago... Bill To h3LL witchas! ---------------- I agree, a thick crust! Who ever came up with cinnamon bread sticks with Pizza? Too harsh.

---------------- On 5/2/2005 2:43:48 PM NOSValves wrote: I though this was a Pizza thread ---------------- It is. A perfectly good discussion of toppingsology. Someone always tries to hi-jack a good thread.

---------------- On 5/2/2005 2:25:16 PM sunnysal wrote: I know what you mean Tom, while I find the even truncation to be more soothing (i.e. .8, .6, .4, .2) the odd is quite grating (i.e. .25, .5, .75 and the dreaded .7935), dont even get me started on partial zeros! tony ---------------- I have much trouble with the eight digit, i.e. 70658248 a sample of that makes me wish for the the feedback of Jimi Hendrix. Still I do get my exercise with push - pull, but after a while it is tiring and I do SET down. One other problem that I have with digital - my ring starts to interfere.

Silversport: I have never read of a smile limitation, nor a restriction of use. The Moderators would have any comment. I will be out to try some at one point. Tony: You have given two excellent Posts today. A voice of Sanity. You are to be commended. Setl: The ice can be a problem, i agree. We have a semi verdict though - Pizza is well worth eating. Thank you for your input Amy. It gave food for thought.

---------------- On 5/2/2005 10:24:02 AM dragonfyr wrote: Page eight ---------------- If the same information comes up that displayed for me my compliments. I liked your old avatar BTW EDIT: With webtv, attempting to access the pages, I received the message that the page contained so much information it could not be used - makes no sense. I thought there was humour. I was wrong, I apologize.END EDIT

When I was younger there was more of a balance. There was more thought in auditioning, to me there was some difference in quality. We have changed. We settle for too little. Quality is no pun intended, mostly cheesy. Yes, there used to be more sauce on pizzas. Now cheese is king. Evevn asking for extra, extra sauce only brings one to levels achieved years ago. It's too bad pizzas don't last. I would love some NOS NIB today.

Try sending an email to support at Klipsch.com and see if you may be able to get a full manual. support@Klipsch.com

Well this is peaceful. Also number 250 and 3100 for me.

---------------- On 5/2/2005 8:04:14 AM bsafirebird1969 wrote: Ohio ..?? Hmmmm... just who could that be ...??? Don't answer the door .... ---------------- Well at least it's not someone from New York or Illinois

---------------- On 5/2/2005 7:46:41 AM NOSValves wrote: I played for 15 years with this one talk about a money pit! http://forums.klipsch.com/idealbb/files/Camaro67_5web.jpg" border=0> ---------------- I can still hear the commercials: Sunday, Sunday - Niagara Speedway... Enjoyed the same with my Challenger. Can remember doing about 155 going North on Route 81.

---------------- On 5/2/2005 7:20:37 AM triode wrote: Craig PS Kev my fuse was kind of short yesterday for some reason. I reread the thread and think I may have taken you out a context a few times..... sorry! It just pisses me off that we can't just have a simple serious conversation about the different topologies. To me the subject is very interesting. Craig has just now discovered that the common element in all of his disfunctional relationships is himself! ---------------- Triode: The sarcasm and irritable tone of yesterday, will most likely have this pulled today. It would be nice to have a rational discussion of topologies. But if you go to the beginning, Bob Crite posted "power requirements, D-Man and I were, I believe looking at the same brochure. As Silversport was ignored yesterday, I quoted from the brochure page, paragraph heading and power requirement listed for a K-Horn. I don't cut and paste, but the three watt statement needs to be re-read As does the power requirements listed in that Brochure. There are no listed requirements. My post reflects the language in there. The Dope from Hope is good. But it is not the primary advertising brochure. It contains much more data, but it's like the Biblical one must do enough to help themself - it's not in the Bible. Just as in that one Brochure there are no minimum power requirements listed. That was ignored. A lot of the sarcasm would be better as a PM. I still support the idea that if the listener who pays for the equipment is happy, that's all that matters. The discussion should go from that point and no-one would feel threatened or coerced.

In the time to make a back-up, if you get the virus, you could lose much. In saving you could well be potentially losing.

---------------- On 5/2/2005 6:54:01 AM DeanG wrote: I would stay away from them. The fact that they are charging $20 for a RCA/XLR connector, and $480 for a power cord is reason enough for me. ---------------- That's roughly about 497 reasons.

Sony has TTs in the semi newly released class. A middle price also. That only being said as they control much of the music. If they are bringing TTs back, are they hinting? Other Companies are pressing 180 gram vinyl LPs. Taking those factors, add the availability of LPs at Thrift shops plus decent record cleaners and the MM5 or 7 TTs you have a wealth of music.

This applies to many - not just one, so don't feel as if I'm putting any one to task. You are = YOU'RE Possessive = YOUR If people are going to criticize spelling.

---------------- On 5/1/2005 12:15:56 PM michael hurd wrote: "Although this fact is certain to be lost on you Power Rangers, it is the owner of the small SET amplifier whom has truly come to appreciate high fidelity sound. Something to ponder as you twiddle the pots on your preamplifiers, undoubtedly named after a pie filling. And of course, whilst listening to selections garnered from the uncompressed music aisle of the record store." High fidelity should be just that. I do not consider adding a device that will add a certain sound, or change the frequency response, "high fidelity". Again, on the other hand, I have less sensitive speakers, and listen at higher volumes than some of the others. Therefore, I would not choose those topology amplifiers for myself. Anyone else is free to do what they prefer. ---------------- And that truly sums up what this Audio Lifestyle and Hobby allows. People to be free to do what they prefer. It's a fun hobby with serious costs. And for those that make excellent products and provide them to Forum Members at a discounted price, it is a very serious business in which they devote a lot of time, energy and pride. The third making the discount given even higher in comparison to other similar products.

---------------- On 5/1/2005 12:10:08 AM fini wrote: , , , comma comma comma chameleon ---------------- , , , Boy, George I think he's got it! Q: Weren't The RoofTop Singers members a while ago? "Walk right in, SET right down..."

---------------- On 5/1/2005 10:37:04 AM khornn wrote: I should start off on the proper foot, but I feel somewhat compelled to weigh in on what I am observing here. It would appear that this forum is dominated by a rather conceited lot, possessing very little knowledge or common sense regarding the audio arts. Perhaps you find yourselves entertaining, in a Jerry Springer kind of way. It’s not too far of a stretch to imagine that you have precious little experience with the equipment you choose to lash out at with your thinly veiled criticisms. Ah, the SET must suffer from “compression”. My, my. Look at all the funds wasted by recording studios on compressor limiters, when a simple 2A3 amplifier could so easily be fitted for this purpose. And at a rather substantial cost savings, I might add. If indeed you are able to discern effects similar to compression whilst listening to a SET amplifier, you are exceeding the capabilities of the device. What you are in fact hearing are the effects of clipping. This being the case, your listening habits necessitate a more powerful amplifier, as the common sense limiter has failed to actuate. Microdynamics and driver excursion are inversely proportional. For those of you carping about accurate music reproduction, one could only speculate as to the horrific sound that you surely consider accurate. A Klipschorn driven to high sound levels is emitting significantly more distortion. Combined with the reflected energy contained within the room boundaries, and the natural effects of cancellation, you have quite a cacophony. Ah, you have indeed created the club sound in your home. You should be very proud of how you have managed to reduce a superbly engineered product to a level equal to industrial amplification. Being someone whom earns their worth with my ears, I prefer a similar sound in my home and in my control room. Whilst I consider myself fortunate to own a pair of classic Klipschorns, I do not feel compelled to abuse them, or myself. Although this fact is certain to be lost on you Power Rangers, it is the owner of the small SET amplifier whom has truly come to appreciate high fidelity sound. Something to ponder as you twiddle the pots on your preamplifiers, undoubtedly named after a pie filling. And of course, whilst listening to selections garnered from the uncompressed music aisle of the record store. You may now resume your chortling and back slapping. I hope my use of punctuation has not offended the more unstable amongst you. If your neighbors dog starts giving off about hunting me down, please seek professional help. -Ian ---------------- Ian: WELCOME to the Forum. In defense of EdwinR, I don't believe that he expected 5 pages when he posted an observation. Some would say he should have as the same would happen with cable and a few other subjects. I noted heated debate earlier, I was rightfully corrected, but I was premature in making that statement. I only wish that I could have my belief that whatever makes a person happy in their system Post stored. But it would get ignored anyway, as did the point about hearing sensitivity, hearing curve. There's a point when one wonders why they post - except for the fact of reason. Discussion of Topolgy is a great thing. Then it drops to semi-insults on all sides. Not by all people. But passion for music brings out the language. Though mostly ignored by those here, I will say this is not their normal being. They are helpful, do a lot for little money, take a lot of time to answer a question properly. I hope that you see them in other questions, roles and how they help. I rant. It's a way I have of venting. You'll notice they don't get on my case for it. They understand. Each of them have their own stresses. They really don't need me to state any of their case, but, I've been around long enough to see. Yeah, this topic can be a Jerry Springer - inside they know the person is happy, sometimes it's more trying to understand why. But each paid for their Equipment, so as I usually end, does it matter? Your post was a good introduction to the Forum. I hope that you stay around to see for yourself what I have mentioned. dodger

No matter what or how anyone tries to make any statement regarding any amplifier, personal taste and personal hearing sensitivity and hearing curve have to be factored in. The first has been addressed but the second and third have been pretty much skipped over.

Perhaps heated was not the correct choice. As you Tony, Some days Tube, Some days SS (choices) - if I owned a SET that may be in the rotation. But I don't see PP or SET as the evil doers. Only some low tolerance. This has cooled. It was warmer. I just try to see a balance earlier than when things are spent. I see that is considered more of an intrusion than advocating tolerance. For some reason a number of times that is called into question. I will try to keep it in check. My apologies for miswording.

In all, The question is answered: What the owner finds to be pleasing, realistic, having presence and soundstage. Hearing sensitivity varies, what is closer to whisper to one person can be quite loud to another. Db meters cannot take that into account. Age and related hearing loss are other factors. I do not own SET, as everyone knows, I'm McIntosh. But I do defend the right to own whatever makes a person happy. No matter the Topology. Without being criticized, or being told they are wrong or that their Amplifiers consume too much power - Class A - that their Amplifiers are over or under powered. We may have strong opinions, that IS all they are. This is an open Forum. Not let's change a person's mind - except to change to acceptance. Agree to disagree. There are Mini-Coopers, Corvettes, SUVs, Continentals and Mazdas all on the same roadways. Mansions, small houses, Average. 2 Channel, 2 plus center, HT. It truly amazes me that this heated debate just continues. I'm not saying there should be complete agreement. But it seems much when a negative opinion is stated and re-stated so many times. The question of what may be lacking was raised - in PP, there are better than McIntosh in my opinion. I prefer tube to SS, but that's me. I've heard some very good SS. A number of posts note that tube is better with Klipsch as most likely only the first couple of watts will be used. We own what we own.

Granted I cannot cut and paste, however I did quote what the conflicting power needs the brochure states for the K-Horn. That is in addition to what Bob could cut and paste. There is the point of no power recommendation, the efficiency and one other thing - specifications available upon request. The DFH is one good thing, but it was not the marketing tool with power statements available to the public. The selling tool. It has been a number of years since the statement regarding a good five watt amplifier was made. There have been some improvements.