bluewaves Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 I am replacing a Denon 5803 that I sold a few months ago, I'll have enough money to buy a Yamaha RX-Z7 now with my tax refund or wait till the end of the summer and get the Denon 5308. I have RF-3II's , RC-3 with RS-42's and RB-51's in the back with a RSW-10 sub. I am not impressed with the Denon 4308 between the older scaling and it just didn't sound as good to me as the Yamaha, I did like the Denon 5308. Just looking for some opinions with anyone whos used either and whether I should just go for the Yamaha or wait for the Denon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill H. Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Welcome to the Form. If you can afford the Z7 go for it.Buy what your comfortable with Budget, and sound wise............Trust your Ears !Good Luck and Post some pics when you get setup again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNRabbit Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 I agree with Bill H.; Emotiva, Outlaw Audio, Denon, Sunfire...any of these would best a Yamaha... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 I agree with Bill H.; Emotiva, Outlaw Audio, Denon, Sunfire...any of these would best a Yamaha... I despise blanket statements like these. Buy whatever you like. Sometimes the features of one brand are more to a person's liking. I bought Yamaha back in the day's when Denon's source changer made a nasty KA-CHUNK noise every time you toggled through the choices. I've been very happy with three more Yamahas (for various surround systems, HDMI, and stereo use) ever since. And NONE of my systems suck, ask the dozens who have heard them. from the op- " I am not impressed with the Denon 4308 between the older scaling and it just didn't sound as good to me as the Yamaha,' THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH YAMAHA, please stop the bashing. M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Youthman Posted February 2, 2009 Moderators Share Posted February 2, 2009 ..any of these would best a Yamaha... Sounds like a line from a Mac vs. PC debate. I love my Yamaha and have absolutely no complaints about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted February 2, 2009 Moderators Share Posted February 2, 2009 Why spend that much on a receiver ? At least check out what you can get for that amount of money, I like Yamaha also. What about a middle of the line Yamaha with a separate amp ? Same $ When I first went to get a HTR I didn't like the Denon sound compared to the same price Yamaha, personal opinion only. Welcome to the forum [Y] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewaves Posted February 2, 2009 Author Share Posted February 2, 2009 Well I can get either at a pretty good discount as I work for somewhere that sells them so thats why I am looking at receivers not to mention have a little bit of space constraint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill H. Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 "I work for somewhere that sells them" Congrats- in this day and age..........Money Talks, Big Time ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted February 2, 2009 Moderators Share Posted February 2, 2009 Well I can get either at a pretty good discount as I work for somewhere that sells them so thats why I am looking at receivers not to mention have a little bit of space constraint. Well that makes all the difference, [Y] I still like the Yamaha. [] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
htxpert Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 If you have the room and like to tweak you may want to wait till summer for your next AVR upgrade. Dolby Pro Logic IIz Taking Surround to New Heights Introduces a new dimension in surround sound listening Contains all the proven quality of Dolby® Pro Logic® IIx Provides a compelling new listening experience with a more lifelike soundstage Enables greater flexibility in expanding a 5.1 playback system to 7.1, or a 7.1 system to 9.1 Signifies an appealing new approach to surround playback in the home DolbyPro Logic IIz introduces a new dimension to home theater listeningthrough the addition of front height channels, creating a 7.1 or 9.1playback system that enhances the spaciousness of music, movies, andvideo games. Through the addition of a pair of speakers above the front left andright speakers, Dolby Pro Logic IIz introduces a vertical component tothe horizontal soundfield of a conventional 5.1 or 7.1 surround soundsystem. The enhanced spatial effects bring an overall airiness to thelistening experience, a new dimension of presence and depth. With Dolby Pro Logic IIz, rain in a movie now seems to be actuallyfalling on the listener’s roof, concert videos bring a more intensesense of being at the performance, and orchestral works deliver morepalpable depth, power, and connection. In games, the added dimension increases the realism and immerses players more deeply than ever in the action. Because it processes only nondirectional sounds for the heightchannels, Dolby Pro Logic IIz maintains the integrity of the source mixand the effects are always appropriate to the material. The addeddimension complements the sound from the rear surround speakers, addingspaciousness while honoring the original intent of the content creator. The Challenge 7.1-channel surround sound has made the home theater experienceexceptionally involving and compelling. However, due to room layoutsand space limitations, not every setup can accommodate the backspeakers of a 7.1 system. Through our extensive research intomultichannel listening, we have developed technology that deliversalternative solutions. Dolby Pro Logic IIz solves these problems by adding front heightchannels, through a pair of speakers mounted above the left and rightspeakers in a home theater surround sound system. Dolby Pro Logic IIz: Improves on the spatial presentation of current 7.1 surround sound setups Provides installation flexibility for setups in which rear surround speakers are not practical Dolby Pro Logic IIz offers a newdimension in sound, bringing a greater sense of air and presence fromany content. Benefits include: Realistic and involving surround sound from any music or movie source Dramatic alternative listening perspective for installations that can’t accommodate back surround speakers Functions with original stereo or multichannel sources Requires no special encoding or separate mixing by the content producer Simplistic speaker positioning and wiring The added channels also add flexibility for designing a surroundsound system with up to 9.1 channels. 9.1-channel AVRs offer even moreoptions, including state-of-the-art 9.1 playback with surround and backspeakers and two front height speakers. Because Dolby Pro Logic IIz is based on proven Dolby Pro Logic IIxtechnology, it is as easily implemented in AVRs. The height channelsbecome another option on the speaker setup menu. Additionally, gamedevelopers now have a powerful tool that opens up the potential fortrue three-dimensional audio effects. With Dolby Pro Logic IIz,developers can encode specific height information in the z-axis.Players will experience even greater immersion and realism. Why Height Extensive listening sessions established that adding a heightdimension to a home theater brings a greater sense of realism thanwould the addition of surround speakers in the horizontal plane to 7.1systems. People are also far more sensitive to directional cues fromsounds occurring in front than from those behind, determining thatfront speaker placement is ideal. Expanding on established Dolby Pro Logic II matrix decodinginnovations, Dolby Pro Logic IIz identifies and decodes spatial cuesthat occur naturally in all content—stereo and 5.1 broadcast, musicCDs, DVDs, 5.1 and 7.1 Blu-ray™ discs, and video games. Dolby Pro LogicIIz processes low-level, uncorrelated information—such as ambience andsome amorphous effects like rain or wind—and directs it to the frontheight speakers. Just as with the surround channels in existing Pro Logic IIxtechnology, the height extensions do not offer any new kinds of programcontent to drive the height channel outputs. The extensions aredesigned to more effectively use existing program material when heightchannel speaker outputs are present. The height extensions can be usedto upmix a variety of sources from movies and music, but areparticularly well-suited to upmix game content. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BE36 Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Sounds great! Until then: Less the 2k for a used Mc Intosh MX-132 has made a huge improvement. Letting the Blue Ray player due the decoding and having a better Pre has been a good trade off. High quality DVDs sound better than 96Khz "Looseless" Master Audio through the Elite (when you can find it) Blue Ray Master Audio decoded to high Res Dolby and DTS sound better than the "loseless" through the Elite. Plus no more switching the CD connetions to use the varible out direct to my main amp. Piping CD through the optical input on the MX-132 actually improved the overall sound by tighting up the low end by utilizing the 80hz cross over to the sub for Stereo. Waiting 5+ years for an "affordable" used Mc Intosh Master Audio Decoding/Pass Through capable Pre with Dolby IIz . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 next up: speakers mounted in the floor for additional realism geesh- when will it end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BE36 Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Do you know why on some sources the Dolby II or Dolby 5.1 makes the center channel sound weak and tinning but other times much deeper and better timber match? This weekend while watching golf in 5.1 the center channel sounded as above but when the Super Bowl came on it sounded great, I could hardly tell the differance between an Academy and La Scalas. During the golf my Academy sounded like the Blue Light Special pager at Kmart, had to switch to stereo. This has happened both on an Elite reciever and the Mc Intosh Mx132. AT&T Uverse Issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
htxpert Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 I hear what you are saying but I have been playing with a DIY versionheight channel for about the last 5 years or so with good results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Yamaha AV receivers have had a Presence channel (that calls for speakers above and behind the main speakers, usually on the wall) since at least 2004. As for sound quality, I've been happy with the 4 Yamaha receivers I've had since 1975 and I'm still enjoying two of them. Great sound! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
htxpert Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 I really have enjoyed the proprietary algorithms from Yamaha as well and am currently using the RX-V 2600 in one of my systems. The DIYversion of the height channel I have been playing with off and on I like more thanthe EX channels in my HT. My dedicated HT room is fairly large so I amwelcoming the addtional channels and format from Dolby. I am not sureabout the two front effects channels but I will definitely incorperatethe additional height channels for a 9.1 set up. I have found even with my low tech DIY version hard steering pansfrom front to back and difuse foley effects take on an addtional senseof realism with the additional speakers abouve and slightly behind thelistening position. For me as an A/V Installer I really enjoy the technical aspects of hometheater technology probably even more than listening and viewing mysystems. My personal systems change from week to week and are alwayseither evolving or devolving depending on my itch. PS.... Sorry didn't mean to highjack the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
htxpert Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Hi Bluewaves, Iwould like to ask you a few questions before offering my $.02 to the allreadygreat advice you have received here on forum.#1 What is your room size?#2 Does your room have any acoustical treatment?#3 Do you plan on keeping your current Klipsch speaker configuration or do youplan on an upgrade in the near future?#4 What are your listening habits (IE )are you say a 50% multi-channel 50%music person or do you listen to more multi-channel content? #6 Do you consider ease of use, set up and equipment reliability important toyou?#7 Will you be installing the receiver or pre-pro in an enclosed cabinet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted February 2, 2009 Moderators Share Posted February 2, 2009 next up: speakers mounted in the floor for additional realism geesh- when will it end? Your right, they should be more worried about a decent recording and decent movies, the playback side is way ahead of most of the crappy movies that are out. There are some sorry movies being made and without even a standard set for the soundtracks, DVD concerts are the same way, you take a chance on the recording with every DVD you buy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewaves Posted February 3, 2009 Author Share Posted February 3, 2009 the room itself is 13 by 17, the 17 side is completely open to the Dining room and then open to the kitchen, the ceilings go up to about 18 ft and are open on the second floor to the loft, no acoustical treatment, sticking with the Klipsch setup. Not enclosed at all open cabinet, no pre-pro's at the moment, probbaly 60% tv, 20 % movies 20% music. Reliability is important easy setup not so much, want to get into blu-ray audio I know the wifey has ordered some of the 7.1 audio only blu ray recordings for my birthday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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