artto Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 Diffusion is a property of a sound field. A perfectly diffuse sound field is isotropic, which meansthat at any point (location) within the sound field, sounds may be expected toarrive from all directions with equal probability. It is homogeneous. In fact,true diffusion exists only as an academic ideal. In the real world as soon as aanother material such as a chair or person are introduced into the space, itceases to be. In small rooms there is actually not much diffusion present.This is because of the size of the space. The size of the space physically limitsthe critical distance between the sound source and the listener. The criticaldistance is defined as the distance from the source at which the direct soundequals the level of the reverberation. Because the critical distance is shorter,and the reverberation time for small rooms is shorter, there is simply notenough time nor surface area, regardless of what it is made of or how it istreated for the sound to actually diffuse in an isotropic manner beforereaching the listener. The majority of spaces we have to listen at home areactually “transitional sound fields”, “there is still a perceptible transitionthat occurs as a function of distance” This transitional sound field is morerelated to the ratio of direct toearly-reflected sound and to the extent to which laterally reflected sounds,especially, contribute to the perception of apparent source width, imagebroadening, frontal spaciousness, and so on. (Toole, 2008) All of the other acoustical measures employed in evaluatingperformance (size) spaces such as early/late-decay rates, energy ratios,lateral fractions and others having to do with impressions of articulation,direction, image size, apparent source width, and spaciousness, so far as theperformance of the listening space itself is concerned, these are moretraditional acoustic measures that find themselves in the wrong place (in smallrooms). (Toole, 2008) The numbers produced by traditional acoustical predictionsand measurements, while not totally irrelevant, are simply not direct answersto the important questions in small rooms used for sound reproduction. All of this leads to the fact that it is the small room itselfthat is not diffusive. Or rather shall we say, not capable of being trulydiffusive. Toole asks “What then are the important questions?” He saysthey have to do with reflections, but not in a bulk, statistical sense. Theknowledge base must include the directivity and off-axis frequency response ofloudspeakers and the directional reflective, diffusive, and absorptivecharacteristics of materials at the points of first reflection. He goes on to say that “diffusion can be improved by using sound-scattering devices, irregular,curved and angled surfaces, and especially designed devices, often called diffusors. Perceptually, a diffuse soundfield sounds spacious and enveloping.” Quadratic Residue Diffusors are one of those “especiallydesigned devices”. They can be of benefit in certain applications, especiallywhere space is limited, like recording studios, and home listening rooms.However be aware that as design bandwidth increases, so does the size andcomplexity of the QRD. Here is a link to QRDude, a Quadratic Residue Diffusorcalculator which will make designing and building your own QRD much easier andfaster. http://www.subwoofer-builder.com/qrdude.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groomlakearea51 Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 "He goes on to say that “diffusion can be improved by using sound-scattering devices, irregular, curved and angled surfaces, and especially designed devices, often called diffusors. Perceptually, a diffuse sound field sounds spacious and enveloping." That would be true; and is the basis for small room treatment methods, materials and techniques. [Y] [H] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KdAgain Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 "He goes on to say that “diffusion can be improved by using sound-scattering devices, irregular, curved and angled surfaces, and especially designed devices, often called diffusors. Perceptually, a diffuse sound field sounds spacious and enveloping." That would be true; and is the basis for small room treatment methods, materials and techniques. Most of the forums on small room acoustics that I periodically check out refer to absorption, not diffusion. Most of the photos which are supposed to represent well treated rooms show primarily absorption. Artto is one of the few exceptions to this. For several years now I have read with great interest of his techniques and results. I only wish I lived closer to him - I would certainly beg a listen! I have also wondered if Klipschorns (which I own) need different treatment considerations than most speakers? I have come to somewhat of a conclusion that in a typical room that a combination of absorption, diffusion, and heavy bass trapping is perhaps the best answer. But how to learn to implement all of that is my dilemna! Rod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 Do you really wnat to psread sound out in a small room? Won't it simply continue to reflect off the walls? Isn't absorption more effective? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artto Posted December 16, 2010 Author Share Posted December 16, 2010 Do you really wnat to psread sound out in a small room? Won't it simply continue to reflect off the walls? Isn't absorption more effective? No. A room with good and proper diffusion will actually sound "larger" than what is actually is without getting that "dead" quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSnyder Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 is there a originil problem to soluton for or is this simple gobbildeegoock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artto Posted December 20, 2010 Author Share Posted December 20, 2010 is there a originil problem to soluton for or is this simple gobbildeegoock If you have no idea or don't care about how a room affects the sound produced by the speakers, musical instruments or voice, then it's simple "gobbildeegoock". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSnyder Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 Just obvios that a small room sound like small room not a big room>>>>>do not need be a genious to tell that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksonbart Posted December 24, 2010 Share Posted December 24, 2010 I think spelling the simple words helps otherwise you create diffusion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy81 Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 I have a large quadratic diffuser along the rear wall of my media room. Together with the hf absorption for primary reflections and large bass traps I get a really nice sound field. Paying attention to and working on room acoustics just made all my other improvements that much better. I have spent many years messing with room treatments and finally have a solution that works very well in my room. If you have a dedicated listening room, spending time and money on room treatments is a must if you are searching for the best possible sound experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 right, diffuse, not deaden not confused anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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