Gerry19103 Posted February 19, 2011 Author Share Posted February 19, 2011 When I build the cabinets for the subs, I plan on following instructions to the letter - I'm no sound engineer so putting my own ideas into their construction would likely prove to be a big mistake. I'll save my creative two cents worth for the finishing work of the cabinetry. I hadn't considered the "Chorus" but I'll bear it in mind when the time comes which will be quite soon. If only on the outside, they look a great deal like the "Fortes" suggested by another member. I'll have to look at the specs of both but I'm guessing that since both are part of the Heritage line, they must at least be quite similar. A friend of mine is questioning my sanity in this speaker project of mine. My speakers are a bit older now but they were the top flagship models of Mirages's OM series. They're astonishingly good with movies and I'm at a bit of a loss explaining why I'm not entirely satisfied with them musically. I wish I understood why I much preferred the sound when I connected those old KEF 105s and later some old Pioneers. My friends Mike tells me it makes no sense whatsoever (and he's considerably more tech-savvy than your's truly!) I may not be as tech-savvy but I do have a pair of highly trained ears which prefered the old speakers to these newer hi-tech speakers I currently listen to. I know .. it doesn't make much sense. I read a lot of independent reviews of the Heresy and they do speak quite highly of them. One things which caught my attention was the observation that they don't require high volume to deliver full / high quality sound. I'm in an apartment and I can't always crank the volume as high as I'd like. My Mirages as well as the Polks and Energy towers I later tried all seem to suffer from that problem for some reason ... the quality and "fullness" of the sound just isn't right at lower volumes while that wasn't the case when I tried the KEF 105s or the old pioneers. They were proportionately just as full sounding at lower volumes as at high volume. I can only surmise that this must be a common problem if those independent reviews when out of their way to state and compliment the fullness and quality of the sound of the Heresy at low volumes as at high volumes. Anyway, it's a very important observation as far as I'm concerned and I suspect the observation is just as true with the other models of the Heritage models. I know that the Heritage series speakers are not magnetically shielded but that really isn't an issue now that we've moved away from CRT televisions. In fact, I noticed that Audioholics seems to be waging their own campaigne at preaching that magnetic shielding is a considerable yet unnecessary expense passed on to the consumer now that we've moved away from the cathode ray tube. Thanks to all of you who've been sending tips on speakers you'd think I'd like which are for sale here and there ... much appreciated! I'm in such a hurry to get started at putting this new speaker system together! Come on IRS ... give me my money - you owe me quite a bit this year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry19103 Posted February 26, 2011 Author Share Posted February 26, 2011 Happy Saturday everyone! I've purchased a pair of used Heresy lls. I haven't heard or seen them yet but I bought them through a very good friend and I'm quite sure that I've made a good purchase. My initial plan was to buy two new Heresy IIIs for the fronts but I saw two sets of speakers on ebay which would be far easier on the wallet - a pair of used Heresys and a pair of "fortes" which seem promising. I was hoping that perhaps some of you would be kind enough to check them out and give me your opinion. If I went with the fortes, I'd have two different models in front and in back but from what everyone seems to think, the timber of the fortes would still be a good match with the HeresyIIs I bought for the rears. Anyway, I'd be very grateful for your opinions on the two following items: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290536993876&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT and secondly: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330534175672&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT Actually one other. If the works seem o.k., buffing out the ebony finish or reveneering is childsplay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200578943455&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT I'd really be grateful for your opinions - I'm nervous about spending that kind of money on used equipment when I don't know the seller. As you know from previous posts, I have 2 Klipsch subs connected to the right and left main fronts. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 I checked out the forte's which looked decent. you'll find that the forte will have a better bottom end. Would perform well as left and right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted February 27, 2011 Moderators Share Posted February 27, 2011 I wish one could use well seasoned furniture grade wood for speaker cabinets instead of high grade plywood or that super hard composite stuff but it just doesn't work that way. You can build the cabinet from anything and still cover it with furniture grade wood. I did that with my last sub, 5cf ported and it was heavy. I made what looked like legs but they were 1/4" off the floor, it really set on rollers set back a little and painted black. I blew the driver up after a couple of years and switched to a different design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxpurdue Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 I actually had a friend check out the Forte's last week for me in person. They look and sound great apparently. He considered buying them. I decided to go another route, when quartets fell into my lap. Quartet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxpurdue Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 Quartet Forte and Chorus are all in the same family from smallest to largest. They sound similar as do the Heresy and Cornwall. Any three of these groups would sound great across the fronts and match well with the heresy rears. I liked the Heresy between my Chorus IIs but loved the Forte. Side note: I am able to leave the center standing upright. If you need to lay the speaker on its side for a front, there are Cornwalls available for this used. Some other forums members could probably tell you more. I too love the Chorus II sound. I actually would give up my La Scalas before my Chorus IIs. I should just be happy the only Belle I have seen/heard in person had a blown tweeter so I did not fall in love. And the only Khorns I have been around were having the crossovers repaired so I have not heard them. Wish you well on your purchase and hope it all works out for you. Keep mentioning your location and maybe a forum member will come forward and have you over for a listen to some of this stuff. The Chorus v Cornwall debate is always ongoing and in the end, it is all about your ear. With what you like, I almost think you might prefer the Cornwall. But on the budget, stay away from hearing the La Scalas, Belles, or Khorns as for organ music, you would probably not want to hear anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyKlipschFan Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 Please, if I have any advice for you to take to heart...... Up front for theleft, center, and right speakers, keep them the same! The Heresies would be wonderful, Cornwalls better, etc., etc., on up the speaker food chain! Timbre does matter, and you will thank me later. If you cant do this, upgrade the center.... For HT, it is very crucial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxpurdue Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 Sorry to take over the posts here. But here is the Chorus II v Cornwall II thoughts. This is similar to the forte v heresy debates. Here are some of the posts I am sure you have already come across. Again, it is really about hearing them: http://community.klipsch.com/forums/t/28637.aspx ; http://forums.klipsch.com/forums/p/100807/1016775.aspx ; http://forums.klipsch.com/forums/t/71909.aspx?PageIndex=1 Again, hope all helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seti Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 A good friend of mine has five H1's setup in his movie room and it sounds so good. When we watched the matrix I looked outside to see if it was raining. It could be interesting to mix chorus or forte or heresy ht but the all heresy was so nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry19103 Posted March 15, 2011 Author Share Posted March 15, 2011 Hello All! I was gone for a bit because of work and wasn't able to read the newer replies; I do thank you all for your input. Just to keep you posted on my efforts: I bought two new Heresy llls for the two front mains with a Klipsch sub attached to each. To save a little money, I bought two used but not terribly old Heresy lls which I'm using as my rear surrounds. The sound is just amazing. Just one more thing to fix: I'm still using my Mirage center channel speaker and it's got to go!! The "timber" of the mirage center and that of the Heresys are as incompatible as it can get and it won't take long before it drives me nuts so I've got to get a new one soon. I would never have guess that those "horns" could sound so good; if anything, I feared they'd be a bit tinny or harsh. As I mentioned before, I listen to all kinds of music but I'm a classical organist and it's difficult to find speakers that can handle that ... the horns in the Heresys really replicates the sound of certain organ stops (different types of sounds like trumpets, flutes, coronets etc) so much more accurately than regular speakers. It seems that the new designs of these taller and thinner tower speakers just don't do music as much justice as the older and more traditional styles of construction. I've tried several different "top of the line" makes and models and while (like my Mirages) they're great for movies, the just not so wonderful for music. I'll get another Heresy for my center channel and post a pic once I've got it all the way I want it. Thanks everyone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 I am glad you are liking your Heresy IIIs. I love mine! If I were you I would just set your receiver/processor to NO for a center for now and not utilize your Mirage. That is what I did until I got another H3 for my center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfelliot Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 This is the setup I have: Heresy IIIs left/right; Rebuilt Heresy I center; I just bid and won another pair of Heresy Is for the rear. Great sound HT or Music!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry19103 Posted March 22, 2011 Author Share Posted March 22, 2011 Thank you so much for the advice ... it never dawned on me to just turn off the center speaker; duh!! I'll have to give that a try. Cfelliot: very nice set up! I'll post a pic of mine once I've finished. I'm going to get another heresy for the center but until then, I'll just try turning off the center channel as suggested. The mirage center does sound quite nice when combined with the other Mirages but by itself with the heresys, it's just aweful. I'm quite handy with woodworking; I'm going to build a new TV stand soon because at the moment, I've got a new 58 inch Samsung sitting atop a stand for a 42 inch TV - no problem with the weight but certainly looks weird having so much TV protruding from the sides! I'm going to build a new one with room in the center for a heresy and shelves to either side for my components. They're quite easy to make so I'll have one made by the time I get to buying a new heresy (more likely, a used heresy) for the center. I'm so very glad that I bought the heresy speakers. I couldn't be more satisfied. I have two Klipsch subs attached to the two mains which rounds out the sound quite nicely - they not extremely powerful subs but they don't need to be for this purpose - I don't have the volume set very high on them; I only use them to round out the low end. I use a far more powerful sub for the LFE signals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M6 Driver Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Would it help if OP flipped the center so the tweeter would be closer to ear level and to safely tilt it down as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olorin Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 FWIW that's how my Heresy is set up on top of the RPTV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Shults Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 How about sideways below the tv? Would that work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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