youngjj Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Just installed new 7591 output tubes and while I was adjusting the bias, the amp made a low, but audible hum (amp itself, not through speakers). From the FM tuner, I had sound before that and before starting to check the bias, but after the hum, sound was gone. (I had turned off the tuner before testing the bias.) When I tried to adjust the bias voltage, it would not change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tube fanatic Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 What kind of amplifier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngjj Posted April 13, 2012 Author Share Posted April 13, 2012 BTW, the amp is a Scott LK-72. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moray james Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 did any of the magic escape? translation the blue smoke inside the parts. No bad smells as in fried transformers? Is this an older amp? I am sure that a serious tube guy will jump in here soon and give you a list of things to check out. Sorry I cannot offer more. Good luck and best regards Moray James. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest " " Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 if you have a rectifier tube...have it tested....I usally variac amp up that needs bias adjust due to tube replacement to make sure the tubes get no time in an over bias'ed condition. Once the bias is known to be below range then I bring it up to power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tube fanatic Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 if you have a rectifier tube...have it tested....I usally variac amp up that needs bias adjust due to tube replacement to make sure the tubes get no time in an over bias'ed condition. Once the bias is known to be below range then I bring it up to power. Good advice. The hum was probably from the power transformer in response to excessive current draw. Is the filament of the rectifier tube still lighting and did you note any arcing within the tube when you first powered up the amp with the new tubes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngjj Posted April 13, 2012 Author Share Posted April 13, 2012 There was no smoke, no arcing and the filament is not lighting up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moray james Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 supply related I would guess, I am not a tech guy so others must help not me. Good luck help is on the way I am sure. Best regards Moray James. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tube fanatic Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 There was no smoke, no arcing and the filament is not lighting up. I assume that the other filaments are lighting (if not, of course check the fuse)? If that's the case try a new rectifier, but as SF mentioned, use a variac to start out with a lower than usual line voltage (say 95-100) until you have an idea about what the bias is doing. As I recall, the LK-72 does not have any way to adjust the bias as it was generated at a fixed value by the DC supply for the front end filament string, so I assume that you installed bias adjustment pots. I'll be glad to talk you through the whole troubleshooting process if you send me an email. Regards-- Maynard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 It blew the fuse. If you do not have fuses it requires a style "3 AG, 2 1/2 amp slow blow" buy at least 3. Try a new fuse. If the new fuse blows instantly then remove the 5AR4 rectifier and install a new fuse. If the fuse lives without the rectifier in place then get a new rectifier tube. If it blows again without the rectifier tube get ready to spend some money the power transformer is toast. If this amp has not been rebuilt by you with lots of research to figure out the proper approach or by a known good professional you should not be using it. Tube amps blow fuses for all kinds of reasons and many of them are not good... it usually takes a serious fault in the circuit to blow a fuse. 50+ year old tube gear has absolutely no business being plugged into the wall without a good quality overhaul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moray james Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Amen to your good advice. Best regards Moray James. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest " " Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 There are lots of probally's, could have, may have, etc in this thread. if you need all you tubes tested pm me for my address and I'll test them for you. then at least you will know if it is or is not probally, maybe, perhaps, could be, the tubes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 a tube tester still leaves plenty of those probably's, could have, may have, etc in place since they NEVER run the tubes in the same electrical environment as the amplifier they are plugged into... All a tube tester proves is the tube "may" not instantly short out and has a good "chance" of working in the amp...especially output tubes. It kills me when some arm chair person buy's a tube tester and starts acting like he knows WTF he's talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest " " Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 a tube tester still leaves plenty of those probably's, could have, may have, etc in place since they NEVER run the tubes in the same electrical environment as the amplifier they are plugged into... All a tube tester proves is the tube "may" not instantly short out and has a good "chance" of working in the amp...especially output tubes. It kills me when some arm chair person buy's a tube tester and starts acting like he know WTF he's talking about. WTF is right....offering to test the tubes eliminates a factor in the OP's analysis process ....offering to do it for free simply qualifies me as not being a forum troll looking for a restoration client.....not that anyone on this forum would ever do such a thing.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Yea but you have sold more gear and tubes on this forum directly then I ever have...in fact it has been many years since I sold anything on this forum like 10 maybe?... kind of the coffee calling the kettle black, hell I've seen you listing countless tubes (with false information about them) and countless amplifiers for sale on many occasions. you are just another profiteer hiding behind a hobbyist blanket. Guys like you are all over the internet... Half *** business men that don't have the balls to go into a legal business. Show me where I ever in the last maybe 6 to 8 years solicit anyone on this or any forum to send me work? And no I never PM people about it either. In fact if you go to my website right now I have shut down all new shipments because I have too much work!! I come here as a form of entertainment and nothing more. Again testing tubes does NOT insure anything. It helps but you are the one that came in here with the snide remarks.... I can diagnose problems with tube amps over the internet with my eyes closed and sleeping better then you could with my help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tube fanatic Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Show me where I ever in the last maybe 6 to 8 years solicit anyone on this or any forum to send me work? I can diagnose problems with tube amps over the internet with my eyes closed and sleeping better then you could with my help. I was going to stay out of this, but being a crabby old Irishman................ Craig, your blanket condemnation of the work of any tech other than yourself is a solicitation of business. Otherwise, why would you be extolling your virtues at the expense of others? Your use of your business name as your forum name is a solicitation of business. And as to your ability to diagnose problems with tube amps over the internet, once again you are soliciting business. If you offer assistance to someone and it doesn't work out, obviously you expect them to send you the amp for repair. Heaven forbid they decide to take it to their "incompetent local tech" instead. Perhaps if you showed some modesty, and had some respect for the countless other people who are far more highly skilled than yourself, your statements would be more valid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Yea okay whatever.... the old saying that is perfect for this situation applies. Opinions are like assholes everyone has one. I have every right to an opinion as you do bud. I also have every right to share my opinion as you do. If the previous poster in question in this thread is a "technician" then I'm hanging up my soldering iron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcmusic Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 LMFAO!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest " " Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Yea okay whatever.... the old saying that is perfect for this situation applies. Opinions are like assholes everyone has one. I have every right to an opinion as you do bud. I also have every right to share my opinion as you do. If the previous poster in question in this thread is a "technician" then I'm hanging up my soldering iron. Thank God, we no longer have tube testers at every drug store with stocks of replacement tubes....it would be hard for you to cover all of them to reprimand stereo owners who bring their tubes in to be checked and if needed buy replacement tubes.......since only a technician should be allowed to par take in such a ritual. I have a bad light bulb out on my deck.....is it OK if I change that or do I need to go out and find a licensed electrician.....but that would probally be a no-no since I would need to be a general contractor to engage a licensed electrician...then there's the permit thing...30 day notice in the paper..etc....It would probally turn into an international incident if I were to even mention using a power tool to uncrew the screws that secure the lamp cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tube fanatic Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 LMFAO!!!!! Wait a minute! Your amp was built by one of those "incompetent local techs!!!" How can it possibly sound as good as everyone says it does? Can it be a mass illusion????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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