Jerry22m Posted June 25, 2001 Share Posted June 25, 2001 What in your opinion would make a better front effect speaker for the Yamaha RX-V2095, the KLF10 or RF5. Thanks ------------------ Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boa12 Posted June 25, 2001 Share Posted June 25, 2001 jer, could u provide the other speakers? ------------------ Klipsch KLF 30 (front), KLF C-7, Cornwall I (rear) Velodyne HGS-18 sub woofer Monsterbass 400 sub interconnects & Monster CX-2 biwire & Z-12 cable Marantz SR-8000 receiver Sony DVP-C650D cd/dvd player Sony Trinitron 27" stereo tv Toshiba hi-fi stereo vcr Technics dual cassette deck Scientific Atlanta Explorer 2000 digital cable box Boa's Listenin Lounge: Klipsch RF-3 (front), RC-3, cheap little Technics (rear) Monster MCX Biwires Sony STR-DE935 a/v receiver Kenwood KR-9600 AM/FM stereo receiver (vintage 1975) Russound AB-2 receiver switch to RF-3 Teac PD-D1200 5-disk cd changer Technics SL-1950 turntable/AT LS500 cartridge Sega Genesis game player Sub: None yet rock on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry22m Posted June 25, 2001 Author Share Posted June 25, 2001 Sure C7 center, SB3 surround and KSW200 sub. ------------------ Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DwK Posted June 25, 2001 Share Posted June 25, 2001 RF-5? << what i'm going with Anyone... that realy knows? ------------------ Living Room: Yamaha Natural Sound A-500 Stereo Amplifier 2 Klipsch Heresys on A switch 2 Fisher STV-873 on B switch My Room: Klipsch Pro Medias 2 Fisher Surrounds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilH Posted June 26, 2001 Share Posted June 26, 2001 Jerry: What are you currently using for front mains? PhilH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry22m Posted June 26, 2001 Author Share Posted June 26, 2001 Klf10 ------------------ Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilH Posted June 26, 2001 Share Posted June 26, 2001 Jerry: Since the purpose of the front effects speakers is to add depth (and width) to the soundstage, I would stick with KLF-10's for front effects also. It is a similiar situation as having a matched center to your mains...RF-5's do sound a lot different than any of the Legend series and will be more noticed as additional speakers in the system... PhilH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boa12 Posted June 26, 2001 Share Posted June 26, 2001 yea then like phil says, or i'd maybe go w/ klf-20 or 30 for fronts & move the 10 over for effects. ------------------ Klipsch KLF 30 (front), KLF C-7, Cornwall I (rear) Velodyne HGS-18 sub woofer Monsterbass 400 sub interconnects & Monster CX-2 biwire & Z-12 cable Marantz SR-8000 receiver Sony DVP-C650D cd/dvd player Sony Trinitron 27" stereo tv Toshiba hi-fi stereo vcr Technics dual cassette deck Scientific Atlanta Explorer 2000 digital cable box Boa's Listenin Lounge: Klipsch RF-3 (front), RC-3, cheap little Technics (rear) Monster MCX Biwires Sony STR-DE935 a/v receiver Kenwood KR-9600 AM/FM stereo receiver (vintage 1975) Russound AB-2 receiver switch to RF-3 Teac PD-D1200 5-disk cd changer Technics SL-1950 turntable/AT LS500 cartridge Sega Genesis game player Sub: None yet rock on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikekid Posted June 26, 2001 Share Posted June 26, 2001 A pair of KLF-10's would be great as front effects...but aren't they kind of large? Yamaha recommends the front effect speakers be placed high on the wall and just to the outsides of the front mains if possible. I am using a pair of little ole kg.5's as front effects. They are mounted on omnimounts about 6 1/2 to 7 feet from the floor. Everything has been adjusted using a radio-shack level meter. SOUNDS GREAT!! Mike (The Yamaha underdog....) ChorusII mains KG.5 front effects Academy center KG1.5 rear surrounds SW12II sub Yamaha RX-V2090 receiver Sony DVP-S500DP DVD (w/built in decoder) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-Man Posted June 26, 2001 Share Posted June 26, 2001 Mikekid is right. I use LaScalas, they sit on top of K-horns & about one foot behind & to the far side of the K-horns. By rights the LaScalas should be farther back & to the sides more. Q. ------------------ Q-Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boa12 Posted June 26, 2001 Share Posted June 26, 2001 good points. then how about a couple klf c-7 for front effects to match jer's klf-10(?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikekid Posted June 26, 2001 Share Posted June 26, 2001 Now THAT would definitely work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornEd Posted June 27, 2001 Share Posted June 27, 2001 My vote is with the ever sharp PhilH! The RF-5 is a great speaker... but Legends seem to get on with Legends best of all. Is not a "quality" issue... it's a "voice" thing. Remember your favorite singer doing a signature song... and compare that to any other competent singer doing the same tune. The expanded Reference line may be the greatest home audio ever conceived... but they just aren't Legends... and that is okay. For me, KLF 10's (sitting upside down on 47" tall equipment cabinets placed 36" outside the main speakers) provide a Legendary front effects background soundstage. They blend smoothly with the KLF 30 mains, C-7 center and KSW-15 subwoofer. By inverting the KLF 10's, the horn may be aimed at a point just above the ears of anyone sitting in the "sweet spot." If you are using Yamaha's front effects set up, you have about 15-35 watts to pour into each front effects speaker... and that is more than enough punch for front effects duties in a speaker as efficient as a KLF 10. I use a Radio Shack analog SPL meter and set the front effects about 5 dB under the mains. When it is set up correctly, the front effects provide a high, wide and handsome sound stage for that big as all outdoors feeling... while the mains and center stay close to the screen as the sound focus of the event. The effect can be quite dramatic for HT... and the KLF 10's have outperformed any other speaker I tried in that spot (which run the gamut from Klipsch SB-2's on down to a series of smaller Infinity bookshelf speakers that were far less efficient). The combination of KLF 30 mains with KLF 10 front effects, when set up correctly, are particularly delicious ear candy for any Klipsch fan. It is so sweet that after auditioning several different higher-priced amps for my HT... I kept the one with the most dramatic sound stage. In fact, I find the front effects speakers to have a greater overall effect on HT enjoyment than the rear effects speaker(s) than any 6.1 or 7.1 config I have tried. As human beings, our eyes and ears are lined up like a predator... and, as with any predator, it's what's up front that counts. HornEd ------------------ "Living With The Legends" KLF 30 L&R Mains KLF C7 Center KLF 30 L&R Surrounds KLF 30 L&R Rear Effects KLF 10 L&R Front Effects KSW-15 + 3 KSW-12 Subwoofers Twin SVS CS-Ultra Sub (enroute) Speaker Support Systems: Mitsubishi RPHD1080i 65" Yamaha RX-V3000 Receiver Sampson 1,000 watt Sub Amp and such... Tweak On! This message has been edited by HornEd on 06-27-2001 at 10:15 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikekid Posted June 27, 2001 Share Posted June 27, 2001 Hi Ed. You must have a pretty large room to put all those legends in. If I had your set-up, we'd have to double the speakers as chairs, coffee tables, wood stove... etc. Man I wish my living room was bigger! OUTSTANDING set-up you have there! All those subs too!!!!!!!!!!! Take care Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruzer Posted June 27, 2001 Share Posted June 27, 2001 I have to get me one of those Rat Shack meters, I am using a 200W carver amp for the front effects, any suggestios, opinions? ------------------ Cruzer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornEd Posted June 29, 2001 Share Posted June 29, 2001 Hey, Cruzar, you're right about the SPL meter. In this world of multiple speakers and built-in psychoacoustic bias, there is no substitute for a $35 Radio Shack SPL meter... and get the *analog* version for a better dose of sonic truth. If you really want to see the difference front effects speakers can make to a sound stage... couple your meter settings with an EQ and you will be amazed at the variations you can get to set off your mains from the thundering herd. At least in my HornEd experience... PS to MikeKid: You missed the HornEd point Mike... my ultimate horn is the shoehorn that allows me to slip into the sweetspot. LOL Not quite there yet, though. This message has been edited by HornEd on 07-07-2001 at 11:51 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruzer Posted July 7, 2001 Share Posted July 7, 2001 HornEd, thanks for the reply, I am calling a friend in Georgia so he can send me one of those SPL meters. One question, I though that EQs were not needed with a receiver, can you tell me more? I have an EQ in the basement that I could use... Thanks!!! ------------------ Cruzer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornEd Posted July 7, 2001 Share Posted July 7, 2001 Cruzar, for me EQ's are somewhat of a mixed bag. On the one hand, I don't like to but any extra circuitry between my ears and the sound source... but experimenting with an EQ can tell you a lot about your particular sound environment... along with data verified by your properly used analog SPL meter. I have a new EQ coming next week along with my eagerly anticipated Twin SVS CS-Ultra subs and Samson 1000 watt amp. I think if you have an EQ in mothballs, you should drag it out and experiment a little when you get your new SPL meter. The better you get to know the acoustic qualities of your room, the easier it is to get the best sound out of whatever rig you have. Once you have "shaped" your acoustics with an EQ, you can decide if you want to keep it in the loop... at least your decision will come from a more knowledgeable set of facts. I don't recall your equipment set, Cruzar, but I find putting money into the best sub and then finding the best spot for it makes the best basis for setting up the rest of my rig to its best advantage... and often that means thinking "SMALL" when it comes to speaker settings! Know thyself is still great advice, but knowing thy acoustic environment is not far behind! Go for it! HornEd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruzer Posted July 8, 2001 Share Posted July 8, 2001 HornEd, my system consist of: Chorus IIs front KLF-20s rear C-7 center KSW-12 sub KSB 3.1 front effects Yamaha RX-V2095 receiver Pioneer DV-535 DVD player Denon DCM-370 CD player ADC 325 EQ I also have some DBX pieces in the basement. Are you using the tape loop to hook up the EQ? ------------------ Cruzer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornEd Posted July 8, 2001 Share Posted July 8, 2001 Cruzer, I am setting up an experiment with a new EQ that arrives this Thursday with my new Twin SVS CS-Ultra subs. The equipment I now use is another generation from my previous experiments. I will be glad to share my findings over the next few weeks with you and any other Klipschers that may care to tune in. So far, in my current experiment, I have been able to achieve much greater sound in a much smaller room than I have ever been privileged to do before. To achieve this, I have dared to test what "they" say is correct and find out, empirically, what does and doesn't work. I have been able to learn from this Forum... to weave a thread through these threads and develop a step-by-step process to shape a better, cost effective path to better HT and musical systems. Maybe it is being presumptuous... and that is fair, for I have been called that for well over half a century... and still have been able to create major breakthroughs in several different fields. I beg your indulgence,,, for I am very excited about the personal audio frontiers that are immediately before me. HornEd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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