lancestorm Posted March 8, 2004 Share Posted March 8, 2004 What makes the all-weather speakers so safe from the rain and outside weather, and our home theater speakers so not-safe? Is it the way the speaker box is designed and thus keeps the rain out? Are the wires tucked differently? Are the components different? Just a question that popped into my head the other day... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minn_male42 Posted March 8, 2004 Share Posted March 8, 2004 there are two types of outdoor speakers.... 1. "weather resistant" - these speakers are designed to be mounted under an eave or anyplace that will not get rained on directly..... 2. "weather proof" - these speakers can take direct exposure to the elements - some of these speakers can actually be immersed in water and still work..... both of these types of speakers use polyprolene or metal cones with rubber surrounds.... the enclosures are usually sealed against the elements... near speakers distributed by bogen are "water-proof" and will run under water with no damage...... http://www.bogen.com/speakers.htm#NEAR http://www.nearspeakers.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFinco Posted March 8, 2004 Share Posted March 8, 2004 ---------------- On 3/8/2004 9:07:15 AM minn_male42 wrote: there are two types of outdoor speakers.... 1. "weather resistant" - these speakers are designed to be mounted under an eave or anyplace that will not get rained on directly..... 2. "weather proof" - these speakers can take direct exposure to the elements - some of these speakers can actually be immersed in water and still work..... both of these types of speakers use polyprolene or metal cones with rubber surrounds.... the enclosures are usually sealed against the elements... near speakers distributed by bogen are "water-proof" and will run under water with no damage...... http://www.bogen.com/speakers.htm#NEAR http://www.nearspeakers.com/ ---------------- how good do these outdoor speakers sound? I've never heard them and I was curious about this--it sounds like you've got some experience in this arena... how would outdoor speakers compare to a good set of like, MB quart MARINE speakers, or other brand Marine grade speakers--I know its different power and such, but if someone was interested in good outdoor sound would the extra effort be worth it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minn_male42 Posted March 8, 2004 Share Posted March 8, 2004 the near speakers sound pretty good.... they have a very similar sound to the smaller jbl professional speakers.... i sold them for over two years.... i think that they would play louder and with a cleaner sound than any of the marine speakers that i have auditioned over the years.... http://www.nearspeakers.com/aprods.html if you look at the A-8 model you can see that it has pretty impressive specs and can handle up to 175 watts continous at 8 ohms.... i think that the retail price is about $200 each..... cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael hurd Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 Also the exposed metal that makes up the magnetic cicuit gets special coatings. Imagine that nice machined back plate / t yoke and pole piece turning into a nice big brown furry piece of rust. The condensation from heating / cooling cycles will cause rust to form unless treated. Also the cone and surround and suspension are treated to reduce or eliminate the effects of uv, moisture and environmental contaminents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minn_male42 Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 ---------------- On 3/9/2004 12:28:47 AM michael hurd wrote: Also the exposed metal that makes up the magnetic cicuit gets special coatings. Imagine that nice machined back plate / t yoke and pole piece turning into a nice big brown furry piece of rust. The condensation from heating / cooling cycles will cause rust to form unless treated. Also the cone and surround and suspension are treated to reduce or eliminate the effects of uv, moisture and environmental contaminents. ---------------- actually, the "exposed metal" aspect is very easy to address..... simply use stainless steel or painted products with good paint coatings.... your car isn't "special"... and yet it can handle the elements.... all of the near speakers listed above use aluminum speaker cones that are weather-proof..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael hurd Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 Yes, good coatings are the way to go for the cabinet and the cabinet hardware. What I was more specifically refering to was the metal that forms the pole piece inside the magnet, the backplate on the magnet and the front plate. My car certainly isn't special, as it is pretty rusty for sure. But one thing that I do know quite a bit about is coatings and corrosion protection, as I am an autobody apprentice. And unprotected bare steel will rust very handily without any protection like zinc or cadmium plating, or a paint finish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin_tx_16 Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 Really cool... NEAR Speaker's Patented "MLS" NEAR-patented Magnetic Liquid Suspension (MLS) is a superior method for guiding a speaker's voice coil assembly through the magnetic field. MLS eliminates the traditional mechanical "spider" and replaces it with a thick magnetic fluid that stays permanently suspended in the gap of the magnet, allowing the voice coil to remain centered and to operate with superior linearity. In fact, the louder it plays, the more accurate the centering forces become. The results are lower distortion, greater linearity, more consistent long-term performance, and longer cone excursions (allowing use of smaller diameter woofers without sacrificing bass extension). In addition, the fluid is a more efficient heat sink for the voice coil, preventing heat-related impedance shifts that roughen frequency response. Summary of MLS Benefits Voice coil is constantly centered as it moves up and down, for lower distortion Voice coil is heat-sinked by fluid instead of air, preventing heat-related impedance shifts High linearity is accomplished because the mechanical spider is eliminated Constant lubrication of the gap prevents oxidation, even in outdoor uses Long-term operation is more consistent since fluid doesn't change characteristics Longer excursions are possible using smaller diameter woofers, without sacrificing bass extension Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Garrison Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 then, of course, for the truly over the top we have this: from the good folks at Rockustics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hwatkins Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 The last time I heard music coming from the rocks was during a wonderful summer evening in 1974 (or in one of those 'missing years'). If I remember correctly (which has to be darn near impossible) it was Jimmy Hendrix playing 'Purple Haze' and I was astounded and wondered how the rock knew.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicholtl Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 Do you have to hook these rock/outdoor speakers to a receiver? Woudn't that mean the receiver has to be in close proximity to the elements, or else just very very long speaker wire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minn_male42 Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 use a long wire..... i would suggest sj cable (black, rubber-jacketed, oil and sunlight/uv resistant).... you can get it in 10, 12, 14, 16, or 18 gauge.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 ---------------- On 3/9/2004 1:06:20 PM minn_male42 wrote: use a long wire..... i would suggest sj cable (black, rubber-jacketed, oil and sunlight/uv resistant).... you can get it in 10, 12, 14, 16, or 18 gauge.... ---------------- Aw, come on. Just use plain old RG6, right? It's weather resistant! Hell, they bury it straight in the ground when someone needs their dish planted in the yard! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minn_male42 Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 ---------------- On 3/9/2004 5:12:39 PM Griffinator wrote: ---------------- On 3/9/2004 1:06:20 PM minn_male42 wrote: use a long wire..... i would suggest sj cable (black, rubber-jacketed, oil and sunlight/uv resistant).... you can get it in 10, 12, 14, 16, or 18 gauge.... ---------------- Aw, come on. Just use plain old RG6, right? It's weather resistant! Hell, they bury it straight in the ground when someone needs their dish planted in the yard! ---------------- i kinda figured that you are joking about the RG6..... not at all suitable for speaker cable...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 Just a friendly ribbing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicholtl Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 Hehe, so um...how good exactly can the sound quality get from these kinds of speaks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minn_male42 Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 they sound just as good if not better than most bookshelf speakers that are the same size..... (not as good as klipsch, though) but definitely comparable to a bookshelf jbl.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael hurd Posted March 11, 2004 Share Posted March 11, 2004 I'd like to hear those near speakers someday, sounds like a great addition to a steambath or pool room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avman Posted March 11, 2004 Share Posted March 11, 2004 i am fortunate enough to have TWO pair of Klipsch SA-3's for my backyard. they sound better than some people's INDOOR system. avman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avman Posted March 11, 2004 Share Posted March 11, 2004 ---------------- On 3/9/2004 7:55:27 PM minn_male42 wrote: ---------------- On 3/9/2004 5:12:39 PM Griffinator wrote: ---------------- On 3/9/2004 1:06:20 PM minn_male42 wrote: use a long wire..... i would suggest sj cable (black, rubber-jacketed, oil and sunlight/uv resistant).... you can get it in 10, 12, 14, 16, or 18 gauge.... http://forums.klipsch.com/idealbb/images/smilies/1.gif"> ---------------- Aw, come on. Just use plain old RG6, right? It's weather resistant! Hell, they bury it straight in the ground when someone needs their dish planted in the yard! http://forums.klipsch.com/idealbb/images/smilies/3.gif"> ---------------- i kinda figured that you are joking about the RG6..... not at all suitable for speaker cable...... ---------------- yeah, but in a pinch you CAN use the center conductor for one conductor and the braided shield for another (+/-)...really!! avman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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