filmguy Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 hi guys i hv shortlisted the rw-10 and rw12 amongst other subs (the jbl e150 and 250). unfortunately where i live i cant get a proper audition of any of the subs nor are there any return policies so i hv to base my decision on feedbacks and opinions of users like u guys. also i cant even consider svs bcoz of duties, ahipping etc i was wondering if the stated specs of the klipsch subs were true bcoz they seem really good. the rw10 goes down to 25hz and the rw12 goes down to 21hz! wld luv inputs frm owners of these subs abt whether they get these performances. also is it wothwhile to pay the extra dough to go just another 4hz deeper? i hv tried searching for professional reviews of these subs so i cld get freq response stats etc but they arent available on the net. also, how do the jbl subs compare (their prices are marginally higher to the klipschs') appreciate yr inputs... (sorry abt the double post..i tried to cancel it but..) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gcoker Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 I don't know about the JBL subs but between the RW-10 and 12, it is deffinitly worth it to get the 12. I originally purchased the 10 and returned it for the 12. Besides the 4 hz diff, the 12 has a more powerful amp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmguy Posted February 14, 2005 Author Share Posted February 14, 2005 hi gcoker even i am leaning towards the 12. in yr experience does the sub really give useful output to 21hz ? and wld u describe the bass as more boomy or tight ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAS Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 ---------------- On 2/14/2005 2:09:11 PM filmguy wrote: hi gcoker even i am leaning towards the 12. in yr experience does the sub really give useful output to 21hz ? and wld u describe the bass as more boomy or tight ?? ---------------- You won't get significant output at 21 Hz with the RW-12. Sorry. It may reproduce those frequencies but you won't be able to hear or feel much of them due to the design of the sub/enclosure. Not designed for subsonic response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gcoker Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 I agreee with CAS. While the sub is rated that low it does not have the db's unlike my Sunfire. But regardless the difference was substantial between the 10 and 12. The Klipsch sub is not boomy. Now to be honest are you looking for major impact or a good sub to complement your mains?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmguy Posted February 14, 2005 Author Share Posted February 14, 2005 gcoker - i'm really looking for impact while watching movies and at the same time wld like a sub that enhances my music listening experience. i know i might be asking for too much frm a mid-end sub but thats human nature cas when u say : "It may reproduce those frequencies but you won't be able to hear or feel much of them due to the design of the sub/enclosure. Not designed for subsonic response." what do u mean exactly; if the sub reproduces those frequencies then shldnt i be able to hear/feel it. how does the rw-12 design differ frm say a svs pb10 which is spec'd to 18hz, for eg.? thnx guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gcoker Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 filmguy, keep in mind the best specification to look at when evaluating a subwoofer is the output at 1 meter from the speaker at different frequency ranges. Typically you have to do some research from a third party that has evaluated different subs. While the wattage of the amp, size of the woofer, frequency range of the sub is all good, what the sub produces is where the tire hits the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmguy Posted February 14, 2005 Author Share Posted February 14, 2005 gcoker - thats true, thats y i am searching for feedback frm u guys with direct experience of the rw's. haven't come across any "professional" reviews yet..the rw-12 specs state that it output 113db@30hz but doesnt give the figures for 25hz and 21hz.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 The RW-12 that I had was good with music but did not keep up with my RF-5's in terms of overall output. I should have gotten an RSW series. I ended up with an SVS (awesome sub). In addition, there was no noticible output below 25 Hz or so. If your room is small, it may do O.K. but in medium to large rooms it is too small. Looks good on paper though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAS Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 ---------------- On 2/14/2005 5:16:10 PM filmguy wrote: gcoker - i'm really looking for impact while watching movies and at the same time wld like a sub that enhances my music listening experience. i know i might be asking for too much frm a mid-end sub but thats human nature cas when u say : "It may reproduce those frequencies but you won't be able to hear or feel much of them due to the design of the sub/enclosure. Not designed for subsonic response." what do u mean exactly; if the sub reproduces those frequencies then shldnt i be able to hear/feel it. how does the rw-12 design differ frm say a svs pb10 which is spec'd to 18hz, for eg.? thnx guys ---------------- In order for a sub to reproduce low frequency material substantially, it must have certain characteristics that can be quantifiably measured. The design of this sub (due to the characteristics of the driver and enclosure) do not allow it to produce these frequencies loud enough to make themselves known. If you touch the speaker it should be moving, however you won't be able to hear much. In general, with a mid-priced sub under $2000, you'll trade of either output or extension. With greater output tuning usually comes a lesser ability to extend subsonically. Vice versa, a sub tuned to reach a powerful 16Hz or less may not have much ability to provde 120+ dB. These are all gross generalizations but are not too far off the mark. This is the reason SVS produces subs that can be user tuned to provide either extension or SPL. I imagine the PB-10isd may, however, better the RW-12 in both categories, but I haven't done a side by side so don't quote me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommyboy Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 I have a buddy who owns the JBL 250. We both agreed that My RW10 has a better overall sound. I have absolutely no regrets about buying my RW10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmguy Posted February 15, 2005 Author Share Posted February 15, 2005 tommyboy - i had a feeling that the rw wld b a better performer, glad to hear that. what is yr room size and do u think its extension and output is enough while watching movies.. which other subs did u try before the rw. thnx cas for that detailed explanation. i guess i dont hv much choice with my budget and the few choices in subs available here. i'm trying to get an audition of the rw's which shld be available by mid-march. i suspect for my 15x17 room the rw10 might be enough but since u guys hv a better opinion of the 12 i might just go for that one.. any other opinions and suggestions will be helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Rex Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 I recently bought an RW-12 and it does have a good punch at high levels. Now, this doesn't provide the punch that you feel in your chest but it rattles my house and my bones. I could have paid an additional $60 and gotten the lowest end SVS but I decided this one matched my current system perfectly and hoped it would provide me all the bass I would need for a few years. I will definitely upgrade in the future because I want to feel my chest pound when I am watching Behind Enemy Lines! However, I am afraid my wife wouldn't be able to take much more than the RW-12 can give her so my purchase has been a good one for me, for now. Good luck! D-Rex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Rex Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 ---------------- On 2/15/2005 5:31:35 PM D-Rex wrote: I recently bought an RW-12 and it does have a good punch at high levels. Now, this doesn't provide the punch that you feel in your chest but it rattles my house and my bones. I could have paid an additional $60 and gotten the lowest end SVS but I decided this one matched my current system perfectly and hoped it would provide me all the bass I would need for a few years. I will definitely upgrade in the future because I want to feel my chest pound when I am watching Behind Enemy Lines! However, I am afraid my wife wouldn't be able to take much more than the RW-12 can give her so my purchase has been a good one for me, for now. Good luck! D-Rex ---------------- Ha!! I just bought an RSW12, should be here next week... is my wife going to freak?!? I was/am certainly pleased with my RW-12 but I couldn't pass up the opportunity to purchase this RSW12. So, any insights on how much I am really going to like the RSW and how long before my wife kills me. I put the over under on the latter at 3... you can figure out if that is in hours, minutes or days... I figure it won't be seconds because she will be stunned for a while... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor.Ham.Slap Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 ---------------- On 2/18/2005 5:51:37 PM D-Rex wrote: So, any insights on how much I am really going to like the RSW and how long before my wife kills me. I put the over under on the latter at 3... you can figure out if that is in hours, minutes or days... I figure it won't be seconds because she will be stunned for a while... ---------------- All I can say is welcome to the big leagues, you're going to love the RSW-12. You said above that you're RW-12 didn't put out enough to feel it in your chest. The good news is that the RSW series was designed just for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommyboy Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 Filmguy, my room size is 18*15, or so. I had bought a KSW 10 from bb, but was totally unhappy with it. It went back the next day, and I got the RW10. The 10 would be plenty for your room size. Unless you have the xtra money for it, you won't need the 12. I have absolutely no regrets about buying it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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