D-MAN Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 Is anyone out there using an Altec 515 or the Iconic 165G-HP (Great-Plains Audio) in their Khorns? This is the same driver used in A7/828 VOTs. I've inquired with Iconic about their version. They are a spot-on match of the Altec 515GHP (got to be the same thing?). Iconic website Iconic 165G-HP pdf The price is STEEP at retail $418.50 ea. But the specs really look great and the T/S params match a Khorn quite well (albeit with a wider slot of 5"). The efficiency (sensitivity) of 104db (1w/1m) is the clincher, though. Theoretically, I'd estimate it to be about 111 to 112db (1w/1m) when in the horn. Any thoughts? that's alot of dough, is it going to be worth it? DM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael hurd Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 If I recall, djk built a set of modified ( wider ) lascala clones using the altec 515, and they will not fit into the stock doghouse, as they have a larger frame dimention. Now I could be wrong, but you might want to check dimentions before assuming that these will drop in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-MAN Posted July 21, 2005 Author Share Posted July 21, 2005 Good point! I'll double check as "assumption is the mother of all *you-know-whats*". My horns approximate the Khorn internals quite well and whatever would work well in mine should also work well in a Khorn, with the proviso that it can fit in the access opening in the first place, throat opening size notwithstanding. DM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerwoodKhorns Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 D-Man, I have heard this more than once, Use teh K33 on the Khorn bass bin. Others have tried more exotic drivers with less than expected results. I hear that this is because teh K Horn was designed to accomodate teh K33's shortcommings. One place I know of is teh volvotreter webpage. He tried a more exotic driver and said that he would use a K33 if he had to do it over. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-MAN Posted July 21, 2005 Author Share Posted July 21, 2005 Here's the rub - I've GOT K33E's in the horns already (not Khorns, though), and I too also like them. However, I fear to crank them up for HT, they are a little light on the wattage-handling. Also, I think that there are better drivers out there, response-wise. Some things of interests are that the K33E T/S parameters fly in the face of the equations. Deep down I suspect that better horn drivers exist that are purpose-built and match the horn better. In theory, the 515/165GHP should, the specs look great for the horn(s) in question. I am looking for higher wattage-handling without making a compromise elsewhere in the response (at least too much anyway). The K43 is not a solution as it lessens the response. DM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerwoodKhorns Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 ---------------- On 7/21/2005 1:53:24 PM D-MAN wrote: Here's the rub - I've GOT K33E's in the horns already (not Khorns, though), and I too also like them. However, I fear to crank them up for HT, they are a little light on the wattage-handling. Also, I think that there are better drivers out there, response-wise. I am looking for higher wattage-handling without making a compromise elsewhere in the response (at least too much anyway). The K43 is not a solution as it lessens the response. DM ---------------- Talk to Dean G. He ran his K Horns with a QSC 1606 and lit the "clip" lights on a regular basis (300+ wpc). I am using a QSC 1202 (200 wpc) with no fear (but I don't light the "clip lights") I also use a KSW 15 for below 70HZ and the whole house rumbles. Chris Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-MAN Posted July 21, 2005 Author Share Posted July 21, 2005 I'm not sure that I trust the K33E to not do this: Although the curves are mislabeled, the response curves are the same. That's over an +/-3db change. DM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAKO Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 D Man.......JBL 2205 works very well. JBL E145 Gives alot of slam in the Khorn. The 2205 is my favorite. But it has to be the early version. Free air below 30hz. These are hard to find. Later versions Fe40. Also outer surrounds differ. Its the one with a 4 pleat surround. The 4" VC gives more bite above 400hz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-MAN Posted July 21, 2005 Author Share Posted July 21, 2005 JBL has the nasty habit of discontinuing everything that I want... DM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerwoodKhorns Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 ---------------- On 7/21/2005 2:26:33 PM D-MAN wrote: I'm not sure that I trust the K33E to not do this: Although the curves are mislabeled, the response curves are the same. That's over an +/-3db change. DM ---------------- I use an EQ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djk Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 The 515 is only 104dB in the 828 horn cabinet, it is lower than that as a direct radiator. Trivia: An 828 with the 515 was called an A5, the A7 had the 416. Anybody needing a good pair of 2205B give me a shout. Only used on Sunday (removed from a church). $100 each + ship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 Dennis, I just might give you a shout. Lots going on at our household, but I might like to swing these. Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim-analog Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 Hi Dean, I had made a similar inquiry a couple of years ago regarding a JBL 130 and an Emminance(don't recall the model). I was advised by a few more knowledgeable folks that a driver to be used in a "restricted throat" application as the Khorn was a very special "purpose built" unit. Also that no other than the K33 would provide any improvement, rather more likely poorer performance. Subsequently, I didn't spend the big $ on a woofer. The odd thing was the various driver vendors (and plenty of "non Klipsch" speaker guys) all had something they thought would be an upgrade. I think my old thread is still around on the forum somewhere (U&M). Good luck. Regards, Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CONVERGENCE Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 Hi The 515,8ghp is used in the 817 cabinet. These can be arrayed using seperate mid/high cabinets on each side. Excellent for large outdour or indour concert. The ALTEC LANSING sound at it's best.Line Array of up to 35 cabinets total counting both sides + subs. BERT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CONVERGENCE Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 817 cabinet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBrennan Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 The best lower midrange and upper bass I ever heard, EVER, was 515Bs in 825s. They worked very well for me in JBL 4560s too. Ahhh, I gave all that stuff away. The best use for a 515 and a Khorn bassbin together would be to use a 515 in an Altec 416 above 150hz or so and use the Ks below as subs. Best of both worlds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBrennan Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 double post. Pardon me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CONVERGENCE Posted August 6, 2005 Share Posted August 6, 2005 The 825 or 8254x and 8256x were used only with the 3000 woofer series and not the 515b. I'm talking about products manufactured in the early 1990's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesboy Posted August 6, 2005 Share Posted August 6, 2005 D-Man I've tried Altec 416s in a set of K-Horns and they sound as good as or even better than K-33s. Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djk Posted August 6, 2005 Share Posted August 6, 2005 "The 825 or 8254x and 8256x were used only with the 3000 woofer series and not the 515b. I'm talking about products manufactured in the early 1990's" Wrong, the 825 was the earlier version of the cabinet for the A5 and A7 VOT systems. The later version was the 828. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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