sfogg Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 "Not sure about this mysterious 1/3 triode 2/3 pentode thing though. Not sure how that could be accomplished." It has multiple pairs of output tubes and switches some into triode depending on how you configure it. Do a search on Mesa Baron and you will find loads of info on it. Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Spinner Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 it's called "TandemState Imaging" as the patent say's 3) 5881's per ch. you can run 1/3 triode + 2/3 Pentode = 120 wpc 2/3 Triode + 1/3 Pentode = 85 wpc all Pentode = 150 wpc 4 stages of no/ 1, 2, 3 levels neg fdbck the output tubes are in parallel when split in class of operation, same output xfmr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 "Not sure about this mysterious 1/3 triode 2/3 pentode thing though. Not sure how that could be accomplished." It has multiple pairs of output tubes and switches some into triode depending on how you configure it. Do a search on Mesa Baron and you will find loads of info on it. Shawn Yea just read a review of the amp. IMHO its a road to Sonic nightmare LOL !! Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfogg Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 Duke, Ever consider the tri-tube mod from Mesa on it? Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfogg Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 "IMHO its a road to Sonic nightmare LOL !!" That amp was loved by just about every review out there... and there were many of them. Mesa has been building tube amps a very very long time. Their Tigris integrated is even wilder... it uses EL84s AND 6V6s for outputs. Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Spinner Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 Duke, Ever consider the tri-tube mod from Mesa on it? Shawn i use it in my guitar rig ... whassa mod all about ..??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 Reviews mean absolutely nothing to me. I have heard numorous tube amps that have multiple output tubes stages like this and to me they sound like sh!t. I'm sure its a descent amp I just don't go for the 42 switches and modes of operation type thing. No way to absolutely fine tune all modes IMHO Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfogg Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 Duke, "whassa mod all about ..???" Lets you run 5881, EL34 or KT99s in it. Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfogg Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 "Reviews mean absolutely nothing to me." Remember that when someone reviews a VRD or a rebuild. FWIW I tend to find reviews fairly meaningless too... but I wouldn't go so far as to say they 'mean absolutely nothing.' " No way to absolutely fine tune all modes IMHO" You can't do that with only one mode either because of the variability in what the amp is going to be driving. A real speaker is a lot different then just an 8 ohm non-inductive resistor and speaker xyz is a lot different then speaker qst. The adjustments something like the Baron offers allows the user to better fine tune the amp to the speaker/load it is driving. Wether or not that is a good thing is up to the potential buyer. Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Spinner Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 Reviews mean absolutely nothing to me. I have heard numorous tube amps that have multiple output tubes stages like this and to me they sound like sh!t. I'm sure its a descent amp I just don't go for the 42 switches and modes of operation type thing. No way to absolutely fine tune all modes IMHO Craig ya know, Craig Randall Smith has been building tube amps for 30 some years .... i think he knows how to optimize his designs by now the SimulClass amps have been out maybe 20 years ..... would you feel more comfortable with a list of 20 or so positive reviews 5 or 6 of them from Certified Analphile mag's ..?? i mean 20 people can't All be full of Crap, right ..?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Spinner Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 Duke, "whassa mod all about ..???" Lets you run 5881, EL34 or KT99s in it. Shawn it's an switchable Bias, or ...self biasing ..?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilbert Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 Between the preamp used and this picture the MC30's didn't have a prayer. Heck if you look closely the amps don't even electrically match each other. Look at the caps missing and different types on the rear amp in this picture. Cap type (quality) and having the amps electically match each other would make a huge difference. Another absolute is the power supply cans in both amps looks to be the original 45+ year old electrolytes another big ? The entire problem with people trying vintage tube amps and making tried and true decisions on what they hear is the operating condition is unknown. Craig That's my personal tech speaking.....you had better listen up, before you loose something you won't aquire again. Those MC30's are beatiful, and you got a sweet deal. Not likely to happen again, and as Craig pointed out, your comparing apples to spoiled nasty oranges. Save up, and give it serious thought....IF NASTY SOUR ORANGES SOUNDS CLOSE TO YOUR CUSTOM DBX NOW, ....... JUST IMAGINE WHAT THEY'LL SOUND LIKE ONCE THEY'VE BEEN FRESHENED UP THE PROPER WAY. Craig's a master at this, give it a shot. If you love music, you won't regrett it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisK Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 What. someone is not very happy with a wholly of wholly McIntosh tube amp??? He should be drawn and quartered! Of course it's a wiring problem or cap problem or tube problem or your power cord is crap or your speaker wire is sub-standard or you have cheap inter-connects but it can't be that a SS amp sounds as good, maybe better, than a tube amp! Especially, a McIntosh tube amp! It's just not done! Let the Saints preserve us! What ever shall we do??? Dooooood, Ease up! This isn't "The Jungle" (a radio show that is sounding a little tired imho). I'm sure there are plenty of SS amps that sound great. Heck, I've heard and had some in my system (Kenwood, Marantz, Classe', Parasound, Theta and Krell) that sounded very nice. My experience has been that some of the better designed tube amps seem to be more "listenable" over the long run than there SS counterparts. Not to mention, the tube amp look. I will also say that the MC 30's are not my favorite Mac amps. IMHO, a tad brown and round sounding. Regards, Chris PS The absolute "best" sounding amp that's been in my system was a Decware "Zen". Wow! That little thing was clear, quiet and accurate. The only problem was a lack of power when I turned it up to "11". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 "Reviews mean absolutely nothing to me." Remember that when someone reviews a VRD or a rebuild. FWIW I tend to find reviews fairly meaningless too... but I wouldn't go so far as to say they 'mean absolutely nothing.' " No way to absolutely fine tune all modes IMHO" You can't do that with only one mode either because of the variability in what the amp is going to be driving. A real speaker is a lot different then just an 8 ohm non-inductive resistor and speaker xyz is a lot different then speaker qst. The adjustments something like the Baron offers allows the user to better fine tune the amp to the speaker/load it is driving. Wether or not that is a good thing is up to the potential buyer. Shawn Shawn Yaawwwnnn my opinion is what is in respect to review land and when I'm talking review I'm talking professional reviews or in some cases private user reviews. Each person has a different take on sound so if I haven't heard it myself or the opinion isn't coming directly from someone I know and trust. To me it means nothing. Are we headed for another one of your boring back and forth sessions? My opinion is what it is except it or ignore it. Let's not have another one of your over analytic endeavors I simply don't have time to waste on it life is to short. Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilbert Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 Dooooood, Ease up! This isn't "The Jungle" SAYS WHO!, Just wait till Fini gets back.[] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whell Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 The Adcom is a toy compared to the BX1's. www.elitistaudio.com [] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilbert Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 Never said it was a cheap NAD pre. Quite the contrary - I've heard that particular NAD pre before - its a nice piece and I liked it alot. But, I've never heard that pre paired up with tubes. Again, its not about the quality of the pre/pro - its about synergy between the pieces.... And I do not believe he was unhappy with the Macs... he just did not hear as big of a difference as he expected to - simply by hooking up tube amps. Carl. Way to go Carl, you tell'em....I was fix'in to woooop out the steak knives and carve him up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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