Timco Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Hi Forumites, My name is Tim and I have been reading with much interest all the Klipsch mania here and I thought I would share my new Klipsch speakers with you. Let me introduce myself first. I have worked as a stagehand in San Francisco for about 17 years. When I worked at the SF Opera they were purging old gear and they sold me their La Scalas. They refused to let me take them until they had replaced a blown tweeter! My friend bought a pair of Altec VOT from the Opera at the same time. Later I found a pair of 84 Heresy, a speaker I had always admired (pictured with my new find). Through more theater contacts I now have these really cool old Heresies. I have lots of questions but the first is: Are these really 1961 or earlier? The serial #s are 1345 and 1347. I will post more pics of the inside of the cabs as they don't seem to have been opened for about 45 years. Thanks, Tim Wilson Oakland Ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 A telltale sign would be K1000 mid horns, they're a very narrow slot of a horn about 1x 8 inches. Completely different than the later K700. Also, is the grille cloth wrapped around the front motor board and stapled on from the inside? Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timco Posted February 13, 2006 Author Share Posted February 13, 2006 This is one of the plates of from one of the old Heresies. I just love that the signatures of the guys who put these speakers together is on the back. I think that the guys who made these had to sign off on them to insure quality. If you require a guy to sign his name on something you can be pretty sure it is up to snuff. Would you sign your name to something you didn't believe in? (Well I suppose that happens once in a while.) Where are these guys now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 no pix showed up, please use the FILE ATTACHMENT at the bottom of the page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timco Posted February 13, 2006 Author Share Posted February 13, 2006 Ok try to get more pics out there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timco Posted February 13, 2006 Author Share Posted February 13, 2006 This is the second pic I tried to insert into the message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Those aren't old at all, the serial numbers are not on the normal 'history' sheet because they are Heresy Industrial models. More on them on a bunch of other threads..... Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timco Posted February 13, 2006 Author Share Posted February 13, 2006 Hi Michael, "More on them on a bunch of other threads....." That's great! Can you help me out and direct me in that direction. I have read many, many threads in the '81 on archives to learn something and haven't found it yet. Do Industrial Klipsch go by a different serial numbering? I looked at the web page and it looked like these were old... but I don't know squat! Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 s/n's are different series on industrial models and there is no key or list of them that I know of. Go to SEARCH, type in Heresy Industrial, start checking the various links. One or more have posts by myself of the specs, various models and finishes, etc. M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fini Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 I believe the search function is func'ed-up. Ya gotta Google it (with less-than-good results). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timco Posted February 13, 2006 Author Share Posted February 13, 2006 Michael, Seached both "Heresy Industrial" and "hersey industrial" in the forum search function and was not elightened. It seems the search engine is case sensitive. Inside of these speakers are K -77 (95547) , K-55-V (107661) mid, and K-42 (1255) woofer with EV markings below the Klipsch sticker. The crossover is marked "TYPE HIE". I am listening to these now and they sound very different from my 1984's. They are louder and more open sounding but missing some mid-range. I am thinking of making new cabinets for these with high WAF (I love that term - learned it here) veneer. I would keep the porting, lose the grill, and perhaps upgrade the X-Overs? I would love to hear from you all about this. Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazman Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 FYI, A former Klipsch employee who post here under "HRBuilder", once said that anything signed by Bradford could be trusted to be built and perform according to the highest Klipsch standard. Klipsch out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frzninvt Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 That is a pair of late 70's Heresy Industrial Ported or HIP's, the difference is the larger woofer for higher power handling and the ported cabinet. You gain some efficiency but at the sacrifice of some bass response those probably start rolling off quickly around 65-70Hz. The Industrials did cost significantly more than the standard Heresy,if you could remove all the aluminum trim and repolish it and put a nicer coat of paint on them they would look sharp. Used HIP's can sell for up to $500 a pair, I know I have been looking for a nice pair to come around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 Hard to see, are those ported? It'd be a 1" slot along the bottom edge. There was also HI, which were simply Heresy Industrials with the heavy duty woofer, diff xover but NO PORT. Both configurations would have been available in the variety of cabinet finishes, I believe. EDIT- see lightened photo attached, these are the Ported types. Michael Frz, some aluminum trim models were the fibreglass, titled BG for Black Glass, some were just stipple coated black painted with the trim. So just getting the aluminum does not guarantee the fibreglass matt coating. fyi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timco Posted February 14, 2006 Author Share Posted February 14, 2006 Hi Guys, Yes they are ported. I A/B'd them with my 1984 Heresies before I stacked them on top like in the picture. Like I said they sound very different from the newer ones. I don't know if they sound the way they used to cause I've never heard fresh Heresy Industrials. These are ported but the back plate says simply "HI" and not "HIP" like I expected them to after reading the Heresy Industrial thread in the commercial audio section. It has the EV K-42 woofer. The crossover is marked "HIE". Is this different from a regular "E" crossover? Do you guys think this would be something to "freshen up" or completely update. I have never done that but I am game to try. My plan for these is to build new pretty cabinets for them but keeping all dimensions and porting the same. Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 If that's your approach, why not just start new and sell Frzninvt those cabs complete. He could fix em up and have his 'dream' system, we'll find you everthing you need to build a pair of Heresies. I think I've got a spare pair of horn/drivers around here. Or just sell those and buy pretty ones (easiest of all options). Unless you really need the additional power handling of the Industrial woofer, you'd get deeper bass out of the standard variety Heresy. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timco Posted February 14, 2006 Author Share Posted February 14, 2006 Hi Michael, I'm not for sure going to redo the Industrials. I mainly just want to generate some conversation about what's cool or different about these. I surely wouldn't want to do something to screw up the mojo of the speakers. I guess there are some of you who are really into them the way they are. I think they are very cool too. Do any of you have pics of a clean and good looking example of the H.I.? Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 No, but here's what the LSI splits with Fibreglass and Aluminum look like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrestonTom Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 forgive me if I am going off-topic..... The picture shows a ported cabinet. I understand the woofer is different in the Industial cabinets. I assumed this was for more power handling. Can I assume the T/S values also differ, thereby allowing a ported design. Let me ask the question another way: why aren't the regular Heresies ported? Or is the Woofer (or Freq Response) that different in the Industrial version? -Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timco Posted February 14, 2006 Author Share Posted February 14, 2006 OK - I'm going to start by reworking these as they are now. I certainly see the value in keeping them stock. They look really beat up but actually are in great condition cause they just sat in the theater for their whole life. They have been rolled all over with a flat black, including the trim pieces. Do you know if the trim was glued and screwed or just screwed down? They should shine up nicely. This will be fun. Advice on what to do with the crossovers if anything would be greatly appreciated. Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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