IndyKlipschFan Posted February 25, 2006 Share Posted February 25, 2006 For two channel' the subs might sound better more fuller in the corners... For HT when you have a center you might prefer them on the inside so your stereo separation is as wide as possible. Either way is good.. AND bragging rights always good. Good equipment like klipsch is never cheap... Think of it like an investment too. You get what you pay for in most things in life. You having tasted great sound will be rewarded for YEARS while others will trade up swap out things for a long time till they find out what YOU already know. OMG is this a great fit!!! When it gets warmer with some space, take em outside too, you will STILL be impressed... Some good southern rock concert type music will be WONDERFUL.. I am sure long before your time but like Peter Frampton live outside... (yes the "Do We Feel Like We Doooooo... ) song in particular... Is just awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOOTERDOG Posted February 25, 2006 Share Posted February 25, 2006 I so want to add a set if Ultra's to my system[:'(] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meagain Posted February 25, 2006 Share Posted February 25, 2006 Tidmark - Very nice. Your LaScalas look pretty too but the pic is pretty dark. Have you considered moving the whole ensamble to the opposite wall with the sofa backing to the window? An ex-boyfriend of mine had a room identical to yours (same isles, etc) and it worked quite well. Do Scalas sound best in corners? Is that critical? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.4knee Posted February 25, 2006 Share Posted February 25, 2006 I so want to add a set if Ultra's to my system[:'(] I soooooo know that feeling.[] Ever since I heard them in Indy I have been convinced that is the sub for rmy HT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidmack Posted February 25, 2006 Author Share Posted February 25, 2006 meagain, Thanks for the compliment on the 'Scalas. They were my first pair of Klipsch. . .bought 'em in college about 9 years ago. The guy's wife made him sell them in lieu of an Acoustimass system. Wow, that hurts!! Original boxes, glass tops. . .it was a sweet deal. The poly/varnish job on them isn't perfect, but the cabinets are exceptional. I had another pair of 1980's too, but foolishly sold them last year to pay for new doors. Dumb move. Especially dumb since I have a Mac 2100 collecting dust now. . .but those Cornwall III's are on their way!!!!Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidmack Posted February 27, 2006 Author Share Posted February 27, 2006 Just a bump to see if Doc Who has any other thoughts on this placement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Who: I've added a couple more pics of the speakers swapped to give you an idea of the two configurations I'm toying with. Although I consider myself educated, I have to be honest with ya Doc: I have no idea what your simulation means! Man, I've re-read it 5 times and even studied your post and I don't think I quite get what it says. Based on the limited treatments in my room (light drapes, but heavier sofa and loveseat), do you think I'm getting more accurate bass with the subs in the corners or out? I know there will be some that say "just leave them where you're happy" but if one way is providing more accurate bass, I'd rather train my ears to accept that than the other way around. Am I approaching this wrong? Both ways of sub placement sound great to me, but there is more bass when the subs are in the corners. After a couple more hours of listening, maybe boomy isn't the right word (when corner loaded) because I can still easily distinguish bass notes and there's no slop to the bass when corner placed. It's just a lot louder when placed in the corners. Either way, things still sound great- lol, the simulation just looks fancy. All you do is enter the dimensions of the room and then it spits out all the frequencies where standing waves occur. It then provides a visual representation by drawing hash marks and it sorts the hash marks by color to associate the standing waves with the dimension of the room responsible for them. So why look at standing waves? Well if your head is sitting in a null, you will never hear any sound at that frequency. And if your head is sitting anywhere else, you will hear a resonance at that frequency (and the resnance is worst when your head is sitting at a peak). And of course the problem is compounded when you have multiple standing waves at the same frequency. If you take it a step further, you will notice a much higher density of standing waves as the frequency increases. At frequencies like 1kHz, the chart would be a solid color because the modal distribution is very tightly packed (logically it makes sense because as the frequency increases - aka the wavelengths get smaller - it is easier to fit a multiple of that wavelength along that dimension). So the fundamental idea driving the optimizing the modal distribution is to get as many modes as possible with as uniform a density as possible. This way the same resonating bass note isn't being heard all the time (which sounds boomy). Another approach is to minimize the number of modes and then treat the offending frequencies - this is a lot harder to do in a situation where there are multiple listening positions and it does require measuring equipment and careful acoustic treatment (aka, something that would be done in a studio). By putting your subs in the corner, you are exciting all the standing waves (aka eigentones...oooo fancy engineering term meant to make ppl think you're smarter than you really are...at least that's why my acoustics prof tells me, lol) and you are also taking advantage of free SPL from corner gain (thus reducing how hard the subwoofer has to work and thus reducing harmonic and frequency modulation distortion). The downside to cornerloading is that sometimes you get eigentones at frequencies that are offensive to the listener - which is going to be music and listener dependant. If it's really bad you can consider moving the subs and the listening position around to find other eigentones that you don't find offensive, or you can implement some acoustical treatment, or you can just change how you hear to accept that sacrifice in sound for all the other benefits the subwoofer yields. Well I've gotta get running - gotta go make some good impressions at a job interview. His website seems to be down at the moment, but Ethan Winer has a great write up on acoustics you might find interesting: http://www.ethanwiner.com/acoustics.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidmack Posted February 28, 2006 Author Share Posted February 28, 2006 Who, I should have guessed you were studying to be an engineer! One of my chemical engineering buddies from Madison came back from from class one day with a brown lunch bag for the roomates. Upon inspection, I realized they were mini marshmallows, but they tasted like Lucky Charms marshmallows. He was so proud to learn how the freeze drying (I think that's how they're made) process worked that he made the house a bag of "Lucky Charms". I'll have to tell you sometime about the time we jackhammered our sidewalk at 3 a.m. . .man I miss college. Thanks for the excellent explanation, this time in English [] After a few days of having the subs in the corners, I'm really digging it. I wish I had more technical terminology, but I'm stuck with phrases like "they sound awesome" , "the bass on Outkast's Speakerbox disc makes my heart vibrate", and "I think my house might collapse." Good luck on your interview. . .internship or full time position? Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Hmmm, does the word "effortless" come to mind? Normally I hate lascalas, but when combined with the Ultra2 subs the music really comes alive. The interview was for a part time mixing job...just to soak up all that last available free time. Oh, and I totally landed the job [] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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