kg4guy Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 What can be done to The Heresy 1's bass to bring it up to the new Heresy 111's bass or get it close? "Heresy 1 with type E crossover with CT-125 tweeters, K-22's and K-55-M and new caps in the crossover ,Sonicaps" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddy Dee Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 the K28 is the HIII woofer and is indeed more robust than the K22 or K24. It is my understanding that Klipsch parts will sell these only as part of an upgrade kit which would transform an HII into HIII. The upgrade kit is specific to the HII, though. It's not designed to work with the original Heresy. I think it probably could be made to fit the original Heresy, but it would require modification to the motorboard. Also, the HIII squawker is a bolt on like the HII. The K700 horn is a screw mount. Something would need to be done to adapt that or change out the horn to use the HII horn. One more thought, I am assuming, not necessarily a good thing, that the upgrade kit contains a complete tweeter replacement unit. It's $272 for a single kit. Pretty good price for all three drivers and crossover. All academic, though. Klipsch parts requires an HII serial number to order the uprade kit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg4guy Posted December 27, 2007 Author Share Posted December 27, 2007 I have a pair of Heresy 11's but not sure I would want to spent that much for the upgrade as I am ok with the tweeter and the mid on my Heresy 1's I was looking for a mod. for the bass only .I have built some cabinets that the Heresy's will slide into and I have my KG-4's on top of them and that is a great help for the lack of bass in the Heresy1's. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 I was looking at the old thread of Scooterdog, about an upgrade for the Heresy. Our good friend Dennis mentioned a replacement woofer for the K22. I think he actually put in the wrong part number as what he referenced is a 10 incher. If it is the 12, it wouldn't be too expensive and should be a drop in as they mount on the back of the baffle. Current price woud be $113.97 (2+) http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Product_ID=172742&gemail=1&CFID=15994945&CFTOKEN=95829874 Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg4guy Posted December 28, 2007 Author Share Posted December 28, 2007 Anyone out there have these in a pair of Heresy1 's ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddy Dee Posted December 28, 2007 Share Posted December 28, 2007 I don't know if anyone has used these or not. However, if djk has recommended them, that is a strong and well advised recommendation. He knows his stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerwoodKhorns Posted December 28, 2007 Share Posted December 28, 2007 There is a crossover upgrade where you move the tweeter and midrange down on the autoformer (giving them a 3 db decrease). You have to add resistors or change caps to compensate (adding resistors is only a few bucks but if your caps need replacing, this would be a good time). The Heresy was designed to be put on the floor, so the tweeter and midrange each run a little hot. I had 2 pairs here for a long time (I and II) and each pair always sounded better on the floor. Try putting your Heresys near a wall and on the floor in a room that has carpet. Sit in a normal position, not on the floor (or stand). If you like what you hear, the crossover upgrade should be what you are looking for (do a search here on the forums to find the schematic). I used Solens when I did mine. If I did it again I would use a more laid back capacitor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg4guy Posted December 28, 2007 Author Share Posted December 28, 2007 I will give them a go and post results when I get them. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djk Posted December 28, 2007 Share Posted December 28, 2007 "I think he actually put in the wrong part number as what he referenced is a 10 incher." See below. "Is the model # 2510 or 2512? 2510 is a 10 inch?" Yes, the 10" Deltalite 2510. I had a post a while back on how to do the conversion. Unfortunately this driver is no longer in the stock line-up. It may still be available on special order. Posted by djk (M ) on July 25, 2005 at 00:55:59 A 2 cu ft 2nd order sealed box with an F3 of 30hz can only be 0.18% efficient (84.55dB). A 2 cu ft 4th order vented box with an F3 of 30hz can only be 0.36% efficient (87.56dB). A 2 cu ft 6th order vented box with an F3 of 30hz can only be 0.90% efficient (91.54dB). Classical music at mid hall can reach levels of 0.2W at 30hz. This requires 112W, 56W, and 22.4W for the above systems. To keep FMD below an annoying level (3%) would require a 300hz crossover and a nominal frame size of 15", 10", and 8", with a Bl of 29.6, 13, and 6.7 All data calculated per DB Keele and PW Klipsch. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The 10" conversion was a 6th order vented alignment. For a given box size and cut-off it frequency it can be 7dB more efficient than a sealed box (standard Heresy). By holding the box size and efficiency the same we can pick up almost a full octave in bass extension (from -3dB at 70hz to -3dB at 40hz). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted December 28, 2007 Share Posted December 28, 2007 EDIT: The Deltalite II is only rated to 60Hz.... or so. Much different. Thanks for chiming in... I didn' t mean to confuse the issue and misrepresent your upgrade. Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djk Posted December 29, 2007 Share Posted December 29, 2007 Very different T/S parameters. http://www.speakercity.com/Merchant2/pdfs/deltalite2510.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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