DU73 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 I am trying to connect my old record player (I still enjoy the very occasional analog sound). I have plugged the rca leads from the record player into my 7.1 Yamaha receiver but nothing comes out – well that is a lie – if I turn up the volume really loud I can hear the music very faintly through my much loved Klipsch reference speakers. On the receiver I press an analog button, press Phono on the Yamaha remote. Dos anyone know what I am doing wrong? Can this be done? Maybe I should throw away the record player and records and move on to cassette tape and one day on to CD’s. he he Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Does your receiver have a phono input? Many modern receivers don't, although if your remote has a Phono button, yours likely does. Double-check your connections to be sure you're using the phono input, or the volume will be super-low. I'm not implying you're clueless, just reminding you to check the obvious things first. The output of phono cartridges is much lower than that of CD players and the like, a few millivolts compared to 1 or 2 volts, so turntables need a phono pre-amp, which would be be included in a receiver with a phono input. The lower output means that the volume will be noticeably lower with vinyl than with CDs. On my Yamaha receiver, I listen to CDs at -30 to -40dB, but with records I have to turn the voume up to -12 to -20dB. That's normal. Is the cartridge on your record player moving magnet (MM) or moving coil (MC)? Moving coil cartridges have even lower output and will need a separate phono pre-amp or booster. The receiver's built-in phono pre-amp is only meant for MM cartridges and won't provide enough boost for an MC cartridge. There should be a reference to that in your owner's manual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DU73 Posted February 19, 2008 Author Share Posted February 19, 2008 Thanks mate - I appreciate your response I will check the back of the receiver tonight but by memory it does not have the Phono inputs - I tried connecting it to the inputs at the front of the receiver and that did not work. I think it has Phono on the remote because maybe Yamaha uses the same remote for a few models and my receiver may be a lesser model than others. As for the moving magnet (MM) or moving coil (MC) - i have no idea - I am guessing Coil as very little sound comes up at super high volume. I will check tonight - the turn table is a relatively cheap one - cost like AUD $200 so not a professional one or anything like that. Anyway - I will check tonight about the MM versus MC and the back of the receiver and let you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddy Dee Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 I've noticed on some Sunfire equipment that a phono section was optional, and not on every unit. Don't know if thisThe is the case with this particular Yamaha unit. The phono preamp should work nicely. Then the phono preamp is connected to an aux or cd input. Prices are all over the map from economical to ultra high end. There should be an option which will work for good sound and reasonable price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djk Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 http://www.phonopreamps.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbuckster Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 I'd check the back of that receiver again, hard to believe Yamaha doesn't have a phono input ... mine does !!!!!!! If it's on the remote, it's on the back .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garymd Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 As for the moving magnet (MM) or moving coil (MC) - i have no idea - I am guessing Coil as very little sound comes up at super high volume. I will check tonight - the turn table is a relatively cheap one - cost like AUD $200 so not a professional one or anything like that. I seriously doubt you have a low output moving coil cartridge if it is not a reasonably mid to high end setup. With an exception or two, they are usually more expensive than most moving magnet carts. There are also high output moving coil carts but they will also be more expensive in most cases and have similiar output to a MM. You either do not have a phono section in your reciever or you have the TT hooked up incorrectly. Some brands use universal remotes within a range of models and a lower end unit might not have a phono section even though it shows one on the remote. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 I'd check the back of that receiver again, hard to believe Yamaha doesn't have a phono input ... mine does !!!!!!! If it's on the remote, it's on the back .... Nowadays only the higher-end Yamaha receivers have phono inputs. Mine's an RX-V750 and it was the lowest of the range with a phono input when it came out in 2005. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DU73 Posted February 19, 2008 Author Share Posted February 19, 2008 Thank you so much for the overwhelming response. Last night was an absolute rush for me and was unable to do anything regarding this, but as I was running out the door this morning to go to work I checked the following.: Receiver is a Yamaha RX-V650 Turntable is a Kenwood Belt Driven Turntable KD291R I will check out the back of the receiver tonight, but I am sure it does not have the input jacks. Hopefully I am wrong. Thanks again.and have a great day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DU73 Posted February 19, 2008 Author Share Posted February 19, 2008 Phono Pre Amp seems to be the way to go. Thanks again for all your help. I'll go to a Electronics store today and pick up one, I checked the web site noted above and they seem to be a very affordable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 http://www.phonopreamps.com/ Great prices on tracking force scales there, too. Thanks for the link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbuckster Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Nowadays only the higher-end Yamaha receivers have phono inputs Mine is a HTR 5890, I wouldn't consider that higher-end, or is it? I'm asking, I don't know .... it is a nice Receiver though, great Home Theatre !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLSamuel Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Disappointing that high quality receivers don't include a phone preamp. Everybody didn't throw out all their vinyl. I use a very inexpensive model that is Made In the USA (at least mine still claims to be) the Rolls VP29. I'm delusional enough or optimistic that they're still made in the USA. Works fine for me but my system is far from audiophile... Manual: http://www.rolls.com/data/vp29man.pdf Currently $49 + shipping at Woodwind & Brasswind http://www.wwbw.com/Rolls-VP29__Phono_Preamp-i11834.music?cm_mmc=GoogleBase-_-Rolls-_-Microphone%20Preamps_Microphone%20Preamps%20-_-VP29%20%20Phono%20Preamp&mr:trackingCode=14B5F7A2-7DDE-DC11-AA92-001422107090&mr:referralID=NA There may be better deals this quick Google and then Google checkout. I bought a set of bongo drums from this site and they seem to be OK. I think I got mine at zzounds or music123?. (59.95 at zzounds) Online retailers: http://www.rolls.com/map/map.php ($48.96 at Parts Express) http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=245-035 Rolls even makes a very affordable tube model under their Bellari brand, the VP129: http://www.rolls.com/data/vp129man.pdf I think this can be purchased for around $225 ($225 at Woodwind & Brasswind though listed as Rolls VP129 with picture of VP29. The Bellari VP129 also has a headphone jack and level control so could be used as a headphone amp but only phono input. The VP29 has a stereo headphone output jack but has no level control. I believe both use a wall wart power supply. Besides the Rolls and Bellari phone preamps Rolls makes a bunch of amplifiers, mixers, signal processors, a cd player, a couple of tuners, etc, all pretty affordable... The Bellari line is tube based. A 6 (?) output Rolls headphone amplifer was in use at the Klipsch Pilgrimage in the 'phone demo room (I notice strange things...) maybe this one: http://www.rolls.com/data/ra62cman.pdf Rolls: http://www.rolls.com/ Bellari link is from the main Rolls page. A partial view of my VP29 can be seen in a couple of posts with album covers in Right This Minute for a sense of scale - it's very compact: http://forums.klipsch.com/forums/t/71241.aspx?PageIndex=143 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dime Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 yeah that bellari unit is pretty good audio advisor used to sale it that kenwood is most likey moving magent sounds like theres no phono input on your yamaha parasound has a good phono pre amp for 100$ good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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