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OK, latest update. Funding is arranged so trip can be booked. Probably final schedule details worked out Tuesday, latest Wednesday this week. Primary plan is fly out Sunday 15 April, with one twist. The NRA is having a large convention here in St. Louis that weekend. They expect to break the previous record of over 55,000 attendees set by another convention recently. The final day is Sunday 15 April. Flights after 11 AM are sold out to San Diego on my airline of choice. The single direct flight earlier AM has two seats, but I cannot book until all details are firm. After that choices digress into very long days of multiple connections, etc. Looked at possibly flying into LA. Looks like a long drive from say LAX to your place, but there are more flights to choose from. Would have to drive to San Diego Sunday evening, but have to do that anyway. How far from LAX to your area? Long shot plan is it fly out Saturday with expenses on my nickel for that day. So, good news is we're making progress. Stay tuned and I'll let you know more when details firm up. Thanks very much -

Hi Cal, did a Mapquest again and found those two cities and Lake Matthews. Looks like a straight shot up Hwy 15? To Cojalco road? Stilll no funding and no airline seat or arrival time in San Diego. Fingers crossed. How long from LaJolla to your place? That's as far north as I've been the last 5-10 years so I can sort of calibrate driving from that point on northward.....

have you checked local dealers? got my set at Ultimate Electronics back in June 2006. check their web site to see if they still carry/stock.

Cal - Still pending contract funding for trip. If airline seats hold out I try to fly out Sundays to arrive in San Diego around noon. Hoping to hear about funding by Monday but seats on that flight are getting scarce. Let's see how this goes. When I checked Mapquest for Riverside one option was on the southeast side of LA. Let me know if that's the area you are in so I can start to plan driving time. As you noted, J4Knee sounds a lot closer. I'll also be back out later in the year, maybe sometime October to December, so hopefully we can find a time to get together this trip or the next.

Looks like I have an all clear from my other half to come to Indy this year! Is this still the correct thread to add my name to the list?

I have some Blue Jeans cables for my sub from my Denon receiver to the wall plate, then from the other end of my room from the wall plate to the sub. They were reasonably priced, very nice quality and they shipped as they promised on schedule. Very pleased. But between the wall plates (in wall, under the floor, back up to second wall plate) I just ran RG-6 from a roll I have from wiring my house for video. Used RCA connectors on the outside of the wall plates for the Blue Jean cables, but used F-connectors on the inside of the wall plates. Terminated my RG-6 coax with crimp F-connectors from Radio Shack (bought the satelite version, beefier for some reason). While I can't say this is optimum it was inexpensive since I already had a very large roll of RG-6 with much left over coax to work with. If you try that route and find a location you like then you could get the Blue Jeans Belden cable with the Canare connectors once you know your final length. I bought the RCA connector cables from Blue Jeans plus a 24 foot run to cover my in-wall run. Then my wife put the kabosh on location of my SVS PC-Ultra and you know where it is now - approx 36 cable feet away from the Denon, on the rear wall and behind the recliner. Well, at least I have a sub and can dream of a better setup down the road! Lesson learned: Play with RG-6 if you have some at bulk pricing. If you want to upgrade later replace it with the Belden from Blue Jeans with the Canare connectors. It is very nice cable. Might sound better, not sure I could hear the difference but maybe someone with a better ear could! Meanwhile, I have a nice 24 foot length of Belden with RCA connectors to play with locations of my sub when the wife is not home, and the SVS rolls quite easily to temporary locations........

Cal and J.4Knee - It would be great to meet you guys, I've read many of your posts and would enjoy the chance to see and hear systems! Assuming the contractual details work out, my plans are to fly out Sunday 15 April and support equipment testing Monday - Friday in the San Diego bay area. Daily schedule not too firm but could be long days. Cal - I have not done Mapquest on Riverside, how far up the coast are you from San Diego metro area? J4.Knee - are you north of LaJolla or out past Miramar? I've travelled to San Diego probably 30, 40, 50 times over the last 25 years and I've bummed around a fair amount and driven to LA multiple times. So I know some areas well, others maybe once, and of course lots of places I've never been to. Sunday schedule could possibly get me into San Diego airport by mid-day if things work out, any thoughts on a Sunday get together? Following Saturday is my flight out but no flight times selected yet, so let me know of options, I will be booking travel hopefully in a day or two. All hinges on contractual stuff, I'm more into the engineering side but can't fly without budget!! Thanks for replying guys, hope we can put something together.

Moving this thread to the Home Theater forum, nearly identical subject. Thanks for the replies!!

Duplicate to Home Theater post, I'll be in San Diego area the week of 15 April assuming current plans hold, any forum members in that area? I've heard Khorns, Belles and Cornwalls at Sheltie Dave's and Carl's houses here in St. Louis, never heard LaScallas or Hereseys. My system is RF-35s, RC-35 and R5800 in-walls with SVS PC Ultra sub. Would enjoy meeting forum members and hearing your system if timing would work the week I am in San Diego.

San Diego trip firming up for the week of 15 April. Any forum members in the area?

How about Heritage dealers in San Diego?

check the 5800s power rating, they are about half the rating of my RF-35s as I remember. Have not hurt them yet but I listen at movie SPLs around 75-80 dB mostly, peaks higher during action scenes. If you plan to really push these check the power ratings. I suspect you'll hurt your ears before you hurt the speakers, but you should know what you're buying.

I'm posting this in both the Two Channel and Home Theater forums, although I had to mod it slightly to get it into both. Recently had a trip to the East Coast cancelled, this one to San Diego looks more firm. I have spurts of business travel to San Diego but have never thought to see if there are any forum members in the area. This trip is looking like either next week or the middle of April. I typically stay either in the downtown/Harbor Island/Shelter Island area or on Coronado Island (not very often on the island). Anybody live anywhere within driving distance?

I'm posting this in Two Channel and Home Theater forums. Recently had a trip to the East Coast cancelled, this one to San Diego looks more firm. I have spurts of business travel to San Diego but have never thought to see if there are any forum members in the area. This trip is looking like either next week or the middle of April. I typically stay either in the downtown/Harbor Island/Shelter Island area or on Coronado Island (not very often on the island). Anybody live anywhere within driving distance?

I have the 5800s as rear/surrounds with RF-35s and RC-35 across the front, Denon AVR-1804 to run the show. The 5800s do a credible job for my rear/surround duty but they certainly have limitations versus actual cabinet speakers. Do you have to run in-walls across the front? One major issue I have with my rears is that once they are installed, you're stuck. I can move my towers around a bit for better sound (especially if the wife is not home!) and get much better soundstage. Just some thoughts.

thanks for the tip, Smilin, very interesting forum and lots of information about vinyl.

I checked out YourMusic.com per your suggestion, have you ever bought from them? Also noticed that some CDs mention they are remastered with various explanations on why they are preferred over previous or several previous releases. Since CDs seem a compromise from vinyl from the get-go, should I focus on the remastered variety if it seems those have addressed poor quality issues from previous releases? Much easier when I had vinyl, not much left now, thinking about rebuilding some of my old favorites from late 60s and early-mid 70s (real music, just my opinion).

Does anyone have any on-line sources for reasonably priced CDs? Looking to replace long-gone LPs from late 60s and into 70s.

Can anyone remember the name/location of the German Klipsch distributor who was posting here a couple months back? Perhaps he could provide some inputs and/or Heritage demo?

Hi Travis, I run these with RF-35s and an RC-35 across the front. The 5800's are on my rear family room wall about 7 feet from the carpetting to the bottom of the speaker cutout. Running a 5.1 system with a Denon 1804 AVR, so these are really being used as the side surrounds but mounted to the rear family room wall. Had some family over today and the guys got a demo of some movies. Consensus was that these are a good match to the fronts and they have a great impact for surround effects. Got mine at Ultimate Electronics at a sale price when I checked their web site last June. I have not heard any other in-walls so you may want to see if you can hear them somewhere. They are accurate and can kick pretty well on movies. As in-walls, I'm not sure they can match what actual speakers could provide. I used them to please the wife, actually have RS-35s but she did not want them in the family room. What are you matching them with?

I've not heard the RBs but I do have RF-35s and RC-35 across the front, cathedral ceiling family room with several large openings to other rooms, etc. In other words, not a friendly space to call a home theater. The RF-35s do a good job of filling that space, especially if they are moved to provide a good separation distance, say 15 feet or so and set a couple feet out from any walls or corners. The RC-35 provides good pop during movie soundtracks, and complements the RF-35s very well. I have SVS PC-Ultra in the corner behind my recliner with Klipsch in-walls for rears/surround facing the front speakers. Seems like the RBs would give up a lot of the RF-35 kick. Have you experimented with positioning the RF-35s if you are not getting the results you expected or is this a wife issue with the size of the speakers? As others have mentioned the trade between the RF and RB may leave you wishing you had the towers back again...... Any way you can preview the RBs without selling the RFs?

I installed R5800-W speakers for rears in my family room last summer. They were somewhat pricey at $350 list each, got them for $250 each at Ultimate Electronics when I checked their web site just to see what they carried and found them on sale. I would say they sound OK but best for movies, normal sound is OK but have to admit I'm comparing them to RF-35s and RC-35 across the front. Ran them as mains for awhile when I had to move my front speakers to a safe place to accomodate a party my wife had before Christmas and they sounded fine but missed the towers. These in-walls have a switch to for treble and bass adjustment and also have a horn which pivots. They have an accurate sound but without a real cabinet you are faced with some compromises. I followed Michael Colter's suggestions for wall prep. Squeezable tube of silicone caulk applied to all the internal wall joints (drywall to studs) as far up and down the wall cavity as you can reach on all joints. Buy twice as much as you think you'll need, easier to return unused tubes than stop and go get more. Allow to dry as long as you feel is necessary, I just gave it 24 hours. Next day I stuffed fiberglass insulation as far down as my arm would reach, then worked my up using pieces cut about 12-15 inches long and as wide as the studs spacing. Same above the cutout. This formed a fair acoustic chamber since the fiberglass comes all the way to the edge of the opening. I also cut insulation pieces and wedged them along the sides of the studs next to the speakers. Used 6 inch thick insulation since one of my cutouts was in the area of a bathroom on the other side (2x6 wall). Results have been very acceptable. My walls do not buzz or rattle and although you can feel the vibrations up and down the stud cavity for each speaker it does not propogate across the entire wall. These speakers can kick during a DTS movie soundtrack, we played something when the grandkids were over a couple weeks ago and there was a scene with a storm and lightning and such. The weather outside was gloomy but not raining yet and during the lightning strike in the movie our 5 year old grand-daughter jumped up and thought the lightning was outside the house! So they are capable speakers, just won't sound like an externally mounted speaker. Mine are mounted with the bottom of the cutout at 87 inches above the carpetting. Compromise for the wife, I wanted them a bit lower but then they would have been close to other stuff like table lamps and such. This is a tad high when sitting just a few feet in front of them on our couch or even in a dining room chair a couple feet further out from the wall. Your room and where you sit will influence how high you place the in-walls, obviously. These have swinging drywall grabbers which are engaged from the front with a Phillips screwdriver, you have to play with them before installing to get a feel for how many turns will be necessary or you'll have no idea when you are close to a stopping point on each corner. Mount them in the middle of the stud opening so these grabbers have plenty of room to work without interfering with the studs. Finding the best spot across the wall relative to what's inside the wall was my biggest problem (wiring, fixtures on the other side of the wall, etc.). My final locations spaced them a bit futher apart then I wanted but looked good for the entire wall. They accept 12 AWG wire with spring loaded terminals. Nice grills, be carefull not to install them fully in case you want to remove them, much easer if you have a little of the grill to start working with using only fingers and no tools. Hope this helps as you research your options.

Check your warranty, typically they are insured and coverage continues with various contracted repair shops.......

Google on speaker stands and variations of that theme, here is one site as an example, no affiliation and have not bought from them, but examples and ideas.... http://www.standsandmounts.com/ For wall mounts take care to buy swivel brackets which clearly specify the size of the bolt that screws into the speaker threaded insert. Many folks have posted here with brackets they purchased that did not work out, trying to find a buyer. I have a set of unopened RS-35s that were OBE (wife wanted in-walls......), still playing with the idea of some nice stands to set them on as side surrounds when the grandkids are not expected to be around to knock them over. I'll either break out the woodworking tools and gear up for some cutting and staining/painting or just buy something like you'll find from a Google search. Good luck and share what you come up with!

The ear specialist I went to last year noted that some people have reported lowering salt intake helps their tinnitus. I have tried to do that and observed that for me at least it does help to some extent. Also noted as Colter posted that some meds will have an effect, and in fact can be checked for what kind of effects they may have on various physiologic systems including hearing. Ditto to the post with the SPL meter. I demo'ed the movie Stealth a couple weeks ago to some friends without thinking to use the meter. Ears hurt for three days. Repeated the test with ear plugs and SPL meter a coujple days later, yes, way over 100 dB. Color me stupid, at 55 and after years of loud music and typical lawn and power tools, just can't do that anymore without suffering ill effects. Calibrated my sytem with the Avia disc over the holiday break, with ear plugs and SPL meter. The disc commentator notes that althought 85 dB is where you should calibrate at, most people shoot for 75 dB. So, I did the pink noise calibrations at 75 dB with ear plugs. But over the last couple weeks I've found that I'm more comfortable using the SPL meter while listening to various movies and/or music that I've heard many times, and calibrating in that real-time sense. The pink noise cal gave me an idea how to set my five speakers and sub, but now I've tweaked those setting just what sounds right, and in most cases it's close to the pink noise settings - just many dB softer. Watched Hidalgo the other night (finally found it for $5.00), in DTS, had to watch the meter at various places. Bottom line is I can tolerate 65-75 dB during most of the movie OK. I can handle some peaks into 75-85 dB for short durations. But many scenes (or many songs) at 85-95 dB continuous and I'm shot for many days. Cumulative effect seems to be more noticeable these days as some conversational levels don't seem as clear as they were a year ago. Ounce of prevention....... well, I'm past that point, damage control now, hopefully I'll still able to enjoy my Klipsh for the next 10-15 years...... I'm finding ways to limit the loudness and enjoy an occaisional limited "exess", so far that has been fairly tolerable.