J.4knee

OK it occurs when I have my system set up for the TV/Theatre option on my Yamaha receiver. I have video only going to the TV, so yes the TV volume is off. It does not occur in DTS or DD surround modes only in this option. I can select either Movie Mono or Varity/Sports sub mode setting under TV/Theatre and I get the echo. It did not used to do this so I am a little perplexed; I have not changed my speaker placement or anything. And as I said no other program on my receiver does it. When I set up my speakers I matched my front cable lengths L to R and my rear L to R although there was not real need to do that. As I indicated earlier my distances are set exactly from my listening position and even if they werent Id be hard pressed to look at that as a source of the problem since only occurs under this receiver mode selection.

It always makes me feel good when I see someone has as the same front effect speakers as I use for my mains. Talk about system envy Q-MAN U DA MAN!!! I imagine that does sound pretty spectacular with the La Sclala's as Front Effects, do you invert yours? I've seen some of your pics and your custom room and speaker work ... awesome. Actually I have plans, and I use that word loosely in the vaguest meaning, to attempt a conceptually similar task. Of course I am KHornless and for at least the short term it will be with my La Scala's as my mains and then will probably fill in with Heresy's to set up a pseudo 8.1.

I don't know about Yamaha's "8 channel" units that were around in 96 but my RX-V3300 is billed as an 8 channel receiver and I dont think its really a true representation. The "front effect channels" are tapped off of the front left and right channels. There are only 6 discrete channels you can use the and the other two outputs are used as either Front effect or Zone 2 at 25 WPC. Its not a true 8 channel receiver. You can play 8 channel stereo if you use the front effects but again the front effects are, as I understand it, just splits off of the front main L/R. I like the receiver very much but its only a true 6.1 rig.

When I am watching TV and set up to listen to everything through my AVR I just started getting an unwanted subtle echo. This happened before and I was able to rectify it by setting my "Front effect speaker to on" even though I don't have any. The echo occurred when I had that output turned off and used my Mains instead. Now its back and I cannot find its source. I have my distance to my speaker from the listening position set exactly to what they measure. I've tried changing room size, delay nothing seems to stop it. When I play a DVD that has a multi channel output it does not occur. Same for Multi channel CD's. This problem is vexing and driving me nuts. I like to rent an occasional movie from my cable provider and enjoy the surround effect. I have a digital audio out of the box to my AVR and the movies don't produce the problem but regular TV produces this echo. Could it be the lack of available channel data to process? I am hoping some of you more seasoned HT types can get me straightened out here. Thanks Jim

M.Hurd & phatbass, Thanks for posting that info. I am in the process of re-designing my listening/HT room. Great info thanks again. Jim

Griffinator, I have a question for you where did you find info on the RX-V3400 (I am assuming that is the "3400" you were referring to). I just got off the Yamaha web site and nothing was there still had the RX-V3300. I have an RX-V3300 and was just curious where you found this. Its not critical info for me just a curiosity as my RX-V3300 is still new, at least to me. Anyway just wanted to know where you found it? Thanks Jim

RX-V2400 - $599 UR killing me aarrgg! I love living on the West Coast but $599 for that receiver....man o man. Congrats to whomever the luck buyers are.

I agree stay Heritage, you can't go wrong, I have a mixed system and it sounds good but will sound much better when I replace the Ref stuff with the Heritage IMO. That having been said this is a very hot topic for debate. The Reference owners are as ardent in their support of that line as we Heritage types are. One side note is that I will not be replacing with theoretical equals so before I get flamed I wanted to get that out of the way.

"That's Klipsh, not Klipsch" Try again look at your URL its Klipsch

She surprisingly agreed that she could visit her mom who lives close by when I "Feel the need for volume." Seems to be the best interim solution. We want to buy a new house in the future although not sure when and one of the priorities is to set up a dedicated home theatre/listening room.

Last night was the first time in a long time I actually got to push my La Scala's. I did not actually push too hard them about 96 98 db peaks 88-89 db average. Since I got married, nearly ten years now, I have not driven them to what Ill call louder volumes the wife prefers music as a background effect. Well last night the little Mrs. had to run a number of errands and I declined to accompany her. I turned my system on and listened to the radio for about 45 minutes and then I opted to play Little Feat Down on the Farm. My listening position is only about 9 feet from the speakers. After about 30 seconds into the song Down on the Farm I turned it up and man alive did they sing. It was like I forgot how good these things sound at louder volumes, at least louder for me. So let me paraphrase/plagiarize the Direct TV commercial and say Jumping Jehosaphat Yeeha (not sure about the spelling.) Man, I love how these speakers just lift up vocals to your ears and then still reproduce the softest background effect with equal precision and ease. PWK truly was an inspired man. I followed up Little Feat with Dave Bruebeck and then Tchaikovskys 1812 Overture before the little lady returned home. I have not had a night like that for quite some time, pure enjoyment. How could I forget?

The US Navy Exchange in Yokosuka Japan sold Walnut stained La Scala's in the 80's that were shipped directly from Klipsch. They were still the birch plywood models just had a stained finish. See the post above me this is the guy I commented about earilier.

La Scalas were offered with a stained finish in the mid to late 80's and I believe it was a walnut stain. The wood veneer was still Birch but I am pretty certain they were walnut stained. Back then; you could get raw birch, lacquered birch, walnut stain or black finish options. I believe they had Series AL crossovers as well. I have not seen them for some time but I have a friend who has a set. I am not sure if he would part with them but I'll ask him, as I know he is currently using his Polk SDA SRS 1.5's in his current set up do to a WAF issue.

Stick with the 2400, Griffinator is correct the underpowered amp can damage your speaker more by clipping and such. Also you will be using power from the more powerful amp more efficiently in its cleaner range. If you push 120 W into your Klipsch you'll be learning sign language shortly thereafter.

Congrats on the Forte acquisition. Sorry to hear of your troubles (man thats an understatement). I think you should go back to bed and start that day over way too much s%*t for one day. I was fairly convinced you'd like the Forte's over the JBL's. They are truly a great speaker.

cablacksmith, Welcome to the forum. I can tell you from personal experience that I usually only enter the fray into the forum on threads I am directly interested in. Occasionally I hit on stuff in general such as this. So if your threads dont get play very quickly just let ride youll get picked up eventually. I have spent some time listening to the Forte's they are a very good sounding speaker. After I bought my La Scala's, I introduced a friend to them and he was blown away, he did not have the green to get a set so he picked up a set of Fortes and mated them to a Denon PRA/POA amp/preamp rig. They sounded great. I believe you will like them better then your JBL 4312s. I have a friend who has a set of them as well. IMO the Fortes have a much fuller sound. I am sure you will enjoy them. The deal you got sounds pretty good too. Once again welcome to the forum.

Welcome to the Forum and congratulations on the new La Scala's. A burn in period? Perhaps they sound like they are loosening up, but these babies sing right out of the gate. I agree you are just noticing more how truly wonderful they sound. I have had mine for 20 years and will more than likely be buried with them. Once again congrats on the new acquisition.

Welcome, Congrats on your new set up. There is plenty to learn on this forum, you'll get as many answers to your questions as you get responders, but the info presented here is pretty good. Personally I think its the best forum going. Once again welcome.

I would match the rears to the side Heresy II's can be done fairly inexpensively on e-bay and upgrade your receiver and then I would go for the sub last.

j.4knee j = Jim my first name 4knee = Forney my last name

I would first look a Yamaha or Denon. I've owned a Denon and currently use a Yamaha, both were/are very nice, but there is a myriad of choices. H.K., Onkyo, the afore mentioned Yamaha & Denon, Pioneer Elite and the list goes on. Any of these SS units should work well in a HT set up. Dont under power your set up though you want to run your AVR in its cleanest and most efficient range. Youre likely to get as many different responses as you get responders. If you are looking for a true 7.1 you will have to pony up a few more $$. Most of the less expensive AVRs that offer 7.1 do so with a modified 5.1 where the rear and sides surrounds are really the same split channels. My suggestion is to Demo them in a set up where the peripherals (speakers, DVD/CD,etc) are the same units. That way can compare equals and not your retailers preference. Good luck.

I use the RX V3300 with my Klipsch and I am very impressed with its sound. I was an anti Yamaha type for many years, primarily driven by the harsh sound they produced when paired with Klipsch in the 80's and into the 90s. Their newer units provide a much smother sound IMO. I would not hesitate in recommending a Yamaha/Klipsch mating. If you are asking for percentages I would say high 90s youll like it. I believe your Chorus IIs and RS-35s will work very well with the RX-V2400. You likely to find opinions vary significantly from user to user on this forum that is what make it such a good forum. My recommendation, go with the RX-V2400.

HornPenguin, et al; My direct comparison is between the La Scala's and the RF 7's. I also have a lot of listening time with most of the Heritage line excluding the big boys Klipschorns. I have a set of RB-15's and RC-3II and have demoed the RB 75's, RB 35's, RF-35's, RS-35's and RS-7s. To me they do not have the same richness, depth and fullness of sound the Heritage line does. As for a direct comparison if you are asking have I sat an set up RF-7s... and compared them individually with the Heritage side by side my answer is no. But in the cases where I demo'ed the Reference they were the featured speaker in the set up. Dont get me wrong the Reference line is an excellent line of speakers. But with the sonic smoothness, and relative availability and affordability of the heritage Pre-owned units, my personal opinion is that the Heritage line is the Flagship of the Klipsch family. Once again I am not saying I dont like the Reference units (I own some), I just prefer the Heritage across the board. I believe your Cornwalls would stand up admirably to the Reference line.

Ok take her out get her really liquored up and get her to do something really embarrassing, hold that over her head and then you are set to make the purchase for the La Scala's (LOL). Even the RF 7, the reference flagship, can't look the La Scala's in the eye. There is absolutely no sonic comparison between the other Klipsch lines and the Heritage line. Don't get me wrong the Reference speakers are a very impressive sounding line of speakers, but the Heritage line is the crown jewel of the Klipsch family of speakers. You may want to wean her on something like the Heresys first, it will take longer to get your La Scalas but you would have your foot in the door. Another option is the Belle Klipsch but it cost significantly more. You should be able to pick up a set of La Scalas for about a grand give or take a couple hundred on line. You could also consider refinishing them when you get them. There is definitely a reason people hold onto their Heritage stuff for life. Once you hit the La Scala level there is only one step up left, the Klipschorns. Anyway good luck.

I would upgrade the RS-3's to match your fronts. From what I have read you have two side and two rear, the directivity gained from moving from the reflecting RS-3's to direct RB-3's would be a better move IMHO. You will still get a room fill/ wide sound field effect using the direct radiators and better direction detection. This is especially true if you listen to multi-channel music. You will get many opinions on the direct radiator vs. the WDST set up for surround speakers. Mine is go with direct radiators. Enjoy.