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I'm glad to hear the ole cuss is on the mend. I guess we all know how bad an appendix can become.

I find some of the negative vibes by some very interesting. I'd maybe want to draw an analogy. My wife is blonde hair, blue eyes. I've always tended to gravitate to those, with the blue eyes being the specific part. Parrott, if your wife / sig other, was redhead, brunette, bald... it wouldn't matter to me and I'd certainly not be suggesting you're making a physical nor asthetic mistake by pursuing said redhead/other. I think if someone sees a woman they find attractive and want to pursue her... power to them. Unless she happens to be my wife, I'm all for them getting what they're after. Even if I thought YOU were going after the ugliest woman in the WORLD, that doesn't mean she's ugly to YOU and more importantly, as they say... beauty is skin deep and plug ugly goes to the bone. hmm...perhaps I ought to come up with a better analogy [] Now, simply swap out speakers for women. If Dean or anyone else wants to pursue plug ugly, then SO WHAT if he bemoans their looks later on down the road. you know what? He (or his wife) might bemoan their looks, but there will be NO denying their sound. I'll offer MY wife up for that proof. She's clearly on YOUR skateboard with the 'plug ugly' business. You know what? She even thinks YOUR Khorns and Belle's are plug ugly!!! yep, she does. I know. I had some Khorns here too. So, YOU too, have some plug ugly speakers according to some and you know what? the same person that thinks YOUR speakers are plug ugly, thinks MINE sound better!! After all, she's one of only a few that have had the real world experience of hearing them in the same room with the same electonics. I'd wonder if that makes her opinion even better educated than yours??? Yep...tis true So...now that we've established that "fact"... SO WHAT???? Are you going to ditch YOUR plug ugly speakers? Are you going to perhaps refinish them? Nope. You're going to sit in your chair and just relax and enjoy how nice they sound. Unfortunately, as per my experience, you won't have as nice of sound experience as you COULD be having had you been listening to even MORE plug ugly speakers. []

Mark, to try to answer some of your questions to my ability <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> I do not have a lot of noise. Indeed, for the little bit of noise I DO hear, I wonder if that is simply to be expected with such efficient speakers? Now, with that said, when I very first installed the speakers and the EV unit, everything seemed to work fine. I REALLY wanted to simplify things and take anything not needed out of the system. I made new cables with RCA/XLR connections and swapped them in the evening before JC & Mark were due to arrive & listen to the Jubilees. I had some kind of noise that was not in the system PRIOR to yanking the transformer out. I started looking at each cable and it seemed some dufas (me) cross connected one of the wires. Thankfully, I only did one and it happened to be the first one I checked. Fixed that and the hum was gone (without the transformer in the foodchain). Later, I reflected on the difference in sound, you know, the old logic of listen to it for a month and THEN make a thought as to sound differences, rather than make a snap judgment every 10 seconds. I thought the system sounded stronger before (with the additional 6 dbs I guess) so was going to go back and try that setup and see what I thought. I got the RCA/XLR wires out of there and reinstalled the transformer and its set of wires Upon turning it on, I immediately had SOME kind of hum. This wasnt there before and I didnt know what was causing it. I had Dale coming over the next day to give a listen so I yanked the transformer out and went back to the RCA/XLR cables which is where it is today. Sound is great, no extraneous noise. Unless perhaps volume is maxed and cdp is not playing. Just tonight, I was listening to David Gilmour. Peach volume was set about 2:00 Id say. McIntosh meters (and I realize theyre not perfect) were again PEAKING at just under 10 watts. Volume was again, about 2:00, the individual channel controls were maxed and the other switch was set on lo Z. (just reporting the settings). Everything sounded VERY nice. I walked a distance away from the speakers again to get a feel for them a distance away (nearing 30) and again, there simply wasnt the snap that was there like when I had the transformer in the chain (and the additional 6dbs) So, for ME, this is less about any noise, as contrasted with striking a balance within the signal chain of wanting enough OOMPH when Im not in the room and want to crank it. I suspect this is my actual area of concern but out of ignorance didnt realize it. Meaning, I suspect part of me wants that additional 6dbs. Another part is fine without them as they do seem to raise the noise/hiss level a bit more. I think Im beginning to see that the additional hiss was probably from the transformer which I had on full gain. 3 & 4 are over my head in a technical sense although I get the gist of them so Ill just nod in agreement Since this is my first experience ever with balanced stuff. I know as much about it as I do brain surgery. Actually, I DID once watch a show on brain surgery so I probably know more about it. [] very interesting comments. Unfortunately, I AM stuck with XLRs in the system somewhere as long as I plan on using the Dx-38. Given that, the anal person in me needs to understand them a bit better so Im comfortable with what Im doing instead of being totally in the dark.

Say Tom... A cross-merchandising idea for ya... With every sell of one of those, they get a complimentary pair of Jubilees?

Shawn: Are you flipping the switch on the Mc to go from single ended to balanced inputs?<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Answer is yes, it wont work if I dont. Mas, the unit you showed looks a great deal like the one I have. Im ALL for not having too many gain stages. That is one reason I sold my MC-30s as they created yet another place for me to worry about level setting (with their input control on back). As for best location (between preamp & EV), that is EXACTLY where Ive put mine. Shawn: Doesn't the Mc have regular single ended inputs? If by that, you mean RCA inputs, then yes, the Mac has both, the dbx amp only has RCA. The fly in the ointment (for me anyway) is my EV unit ONLY has balanced inputs/outputs so Ive got to deal with them somewhere, somehow. What I find so interesting is even with the volume on the Peach maxed, I at times, can still get no more than 10 watts out of the McIntosh meters. Yes there are other cds where I can PEG the McIntosh meters but Id say those cds are the exception.

See your PM's, if you haven't already.

Shawn... is it feesible that I'm somehow doing it wrong? Is there more than one way for me to do it since I've got RCA-->XLR cables?

What Shawn says makes some sense to me as it's the stronger signal that I think perked things up for me. Meaning, although I DO think the bass was a lot stronger when I had the transformer in, I can see where 'everything' was stronger and I simply focused on the bass. I don't think the sound quality (eq'ing of the speakers) was necessarily any different for me... I think that I simply had more power available to the speakers when I cranked it (from another room). I've made comment before that I could get the same "flapping of your pants" at 30' with the Jubilees, that I had with the Khorns at 10'. Although that is true, I think it was more true when I had the transformer in than today with it out. If that's simply because I had 6 db hotter signal, then that is why (who am I to argue?) I guess I need to get off my hiney and FOCUS on getting my basement done so I can move things down there and tinker with the room a bit. Everything I do in current room is temporary at best and as far as anything 'room treatment' related...forget it... it ain't gonna happen as long as SWMBO is around.

Mike, I'm glad you've seen some of the results I thought I saw. I had Dale over last Friday to give a listen. Thursday (day prior), I pulled my RCA/XLR cables out and reinstalled the transformer and all the XLR cables. I had a hum that didn't exist before so not having the time to tinker with anything, I swapped it all back to the RCA/XLR setup and let it go. Ironically, when I first had the tranformer and XLR cables in...it was when I took them OUT that I had a hum. I didn't have a hum with it in. Now I'm reversed (sigh) For the 10 minutes I DID play around (and thanks to MAS and his comments) I did turn the gain volume of the XLR transformer down from full gain to something like 1/3rd. I DO think that helped the noise issue but again, wires were flying around in there so I can't be conclusive that it was perhaps the culpret. Unfortunately, Mark (Deneen) doesn't have the time/setup to convert the Peach to XLR outputs (or allow dual outputs). I really don't want that transformer in the signal path if I can get around it. I DO however, like the additional gain the transformer gives me (conflicting desires). I know I'm making this into a mole hill...and will probably continue on to make it into a mountain. Here's an interesting happening to me... I had a cd in. I KNOW good & well that not all cd's have the same signal levels on them but the truth is... I can say the following for "most" of my cd's (though not all) I had a cd in... I was listening to it loud. I then PEGGED the volume on the Peach. I had the volume pegged as well as each channel control. I also had it on "lo" mode which I belive gives yet another small boost of some kind in the signal. In other words, the Peach was INCAPABLE of any more increases on any of its controls. They were all absolutely maxed out. I was in the same room with it... yes it WAS loud, no question...but I remained intrigued. I looked over at the meters on my MC-2101 (which again runs ONLY the HF horn, my solid state running the LF horn has NO meters). The 2102 was PEAKING at about, or just by a hair, over 10 watts on the meter. Got that?? Peach was PEGGED on volume and the 2102 was peaking at 10 out of 100 watts. I don't know what the solid state was using but even if it was 10x, that would only be 100 watts (and I doubt it was 10x) With the transformer in the line, I once had the volume between 9:00 and 10:00 and had to stop as it was getting to these same levels on my meters. The system simply has SO much more power available to it when I use the transformer...it's almost like the mute button is on when the transformer is out. I don't want to use an outboard transformer, I really like the Peach... I've been wondering if I ought to look into a pre that comes with balanced outputs. I've decided to wait on that journey. With all the above said, it might be good to mention that when I'm cranking it, I'm probably never using much more than 10 watts on the HF horn anyway so it's somewhat of a moot point...but just knowing there's more ability there, kind of makes me want to be able to have it on tap.

I for one, am eagerly looking forward to seeing pics.

Ya know... the Jubilee as I understand it, measures out at 1/3'rd the distortion levels as the Khorn. Or, a different way to put it...the Khorn has three times the amount of distortion. This is copied directly from an email from BerryBoy "the distortion data show this. where the khorn is 3% to 1% the jub is 1% to .3%" Sooooooooooo Meagain, do ya wanna drag your hubby down for an audition? []

Very well done Dean! [Y]

Something dawned on me yesterday and I became puzzled. If you run a Peach into a (insert brand) unbalanced/RCA amplifier, we have an unbalanced signal. I got that. If you run a McIntosh (insert model) with BALANCED outputs, into a balanced amp, we have a balanced signal. I got that too If I run my Peach into my EV Dx-38 with unbalanced cables (RCA--->XLR), the EV has balanced outputs. If I then take the XLR outputs and take them to my XLR McIntosh inputs, is that a TRUE balanced signal? In other words, will the EV 'convert' it to a balanced signal? Since the originator of the signal (Peach) wasn't balanced, is this a balanced signal but one of lessor strength? If I add the transformer into the circuit, does it "convert" to a balanced signal or does it simply step up the signal level? I'm just trying to get my arms around the logic of "what must create" the balanced signal and if something doesn't create it per se', (Peach to EV unit, via RCA-->XLR cables), do you then have a "true" balanced signal further down the food chain?? My brain keeps going back to the logic of "garbage in, garbage out" and if I have unbalanced in, then it can't be a "true" balanced out.

I agree that Bob is one great guy!! (since I'm agreeing how great Bob is, he can't lower the boom on me, can ya Buckette????!!! [6])

I might add that I'm glad Mike took the time & thoughtfulness to come over & listen to my Khorns once. Were it not for him, I would have never figured out that I had a 90 hz standing wave issue. He came, he figured it out & he conquered it. Once he was done, the entire room sounded noticably better.

Parrot, being raised in Ohio, I've always wondered what part you're in. Care to share? Has to be 'reasonably' close to Dean if he's been over to give a listen. Then again, he's in a nice location to shoot north/south or east/west.

Mike, I can't see where you're from, but if you are near Knoxville, TN area, you're more than welcome to hear the Jubilees in a home environment. Also (although I can't speak for him) there is another forum member who has some Khorns in Sevierville and yet another one (who's setup is still in storage) who has Khorns AND LaScalas (I've also got some LaScalas but they're in my wrecked basement). Point being... there is a fair mix of Heritage and Jubilees in this area (perhaps something in the water??) [*-)]

I never had a specific item as I always asked them what THEY like (or perhaps brought with them). With that qualifier out there, what I now find myself graviting towards is putting in the "Big Phat Band" and cranking it up. (2 channel). If they have a preference, I'll use what ever their preference is however, before they leave, I'll stick in the BPB at least once.

My guess is someone sent her some flowers and box of chocolates?? Guess there is now, some ear lobe competition. [*-)]

Meagain...(to quote Harry Chapin's band as he tried to finish one of his songs and wanted opinions on the various closes...) It sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [6] I feel better now. []

I don't intend to speak on behalf of Amy/Klipsch but "currently" they do not have a pair of Jubilees in Indy. Roy said something the other day that incinuated to me he might TRY to get a pair (single?) there but he might have been playing mindgame as he was kind of coy about his comment. I've been deliberating on dragging my pair up there but having no truck/trailer that issue is getting complicated. Aside from that, where would I put them once up there?? (in my hotel room to compete with Terry's Heresy's in the adjacent room?? [A]) Maybe Amy will read this and corporate will apply some pressure to Roy...

Travis, the idiot son is the one that's the lawyer (though they're both a bit full of themselves) Today was the funeral/burial. Wasn't as bad as I'd anticipated. Father in law was overheard (by me) talking to the son/attorney. I only heard snippets but was basically FIL: I still have some of her stuff in a closet...(mumble mumble...) Idiot: (mumble mumble...) perhaps I can get a truck out there in a couple weeks and pick things up if that's ok??? FIL: (kinda forced laughing) Well... that stuff has been here for "YEARS"...so it's not hurting anything Idiot: (lauhing) ahh... so a few more weeks isn't going to hurt anything....(mumble mumble) That is about all I overheard of the conversation so it would seem that FIL has the ball in hand and is pushing it himself (which really surprises me). I just sat back...actually, I walked away and will see what happens.

If you're going to do some re-work on the cabinets, you might want to find out about taming the side walls. When we heard the LaScala II's in Hope, the bass seemed to have an entire octave added to it. I was assurred that the output of the II's are identicle to my pair but they simply tamed the side walls from resonating. I was then told that if I could calm mine down, I should have the same (deeper sounding) output as the new ones. I've got a 3'rd 'beater" cabinet for a center channel and it's evidently in bad shape (it's still in the shipping box unopened since I received it last August) I'm planning on playing around with that one since it'll be buried inside a wall and can be as ugly as needed... after all, when you got other plug ugly speakers in the same room, who's going to notice or have a problem with an ugly LaScala??!!!! So I'll play around with this one and if I like the changes I might include them on "my" pair (original owner since 1979). I don't want to mess with 'my' pair though, until I'm positive about what I'm doing to my beater box.

Now you're talking!! Having had both in the same room, my vote is.... Mach Ones baby!!! [6]

Dang... seems Paulin can type faster than 85 wpm... []