Travis In Austin

Glad you started this thread, the other one that had fries in it got locked, ending with a +1 for ketchup. Not a fan of the thin crispy fries, like at Smash Burger, dine know what it is. I like in and out, but the fries are a little on the thin side for me, just slightly. I have to agree on the McDonald's fires, I think they are awesome, nothing else. I don't know why I like em so much, maybe raised in them, McDonald's was about a 2 to 4 tomes a year treat.

That's real productive. As per usual you are about a month behind the times. You know, you really shouldn't interrupt when grown-ups are trying to have a conversation.

so are you wanting Mark included, or exlcuded? I simply can't tell from this statement.. Mark who? It isn't up to me to include, or exclude anybody. Nuts, as in the people who join and a day or two later are espousing neo-nazi rhetoric or conspiracy theory crap. You haven't been consulted in having to ban any nuts yet? I can understand that.

That's funny

I believe Tim meant a Winter Storm Warning. "Heavy Snow Warnings" have not been used since 2012 when WFO's condensed the number of winter weather headlines. This removed both the Snow Advisory and the Heavy Snow Warning headlines from use. Criteria varies from WFO to WFO. Usually it's 6 hours where snowfall rates exceed 1" per hour, or 8+" in an 18 hour period. A period where falling or drifting snow combines with high winds to reduce visibility to or below 1/4 of a mile for 3 hours or longer. Lake effect occurs due to temperature contrasts between the land and a body of water, creating it's own low pressure center and thus creating an enhanced line of snow activity. It's not dependent on a calendrical value. Thank you, we use different nominclature for flying/aviation didn't know how they actually translated.

The really interesting thing going on here is the fact the forum is going right back to Pre-BS forum days, this subject matter is daily "Chat" in the BS forum.The BS forum after 6Mo has 85 topics and 4K posts. The BS forum has slowed down now that the players have vetted whatever scratches them at the time. Quite frankly when i see them daily chatting in the main forum, issues such as this one, i think they are getting tired of no having "FreshMeat" to spar with, so here it is, after 6 Mo we are right back to common internet open forum chat. You can pretty much see the Mod's have been sucked into this "Open Forum Chat" once again also. I predicted that when the BS Forum went public but had a prohibitively high (in my opinion) post requirement. It should be more like 500.Mods can move a thread right? Anything that is political in nature should just be moved there. Mods could keep topics on track just by interjecting that if it doesn't stay on track it will be moved. Stuff that is obviously/blatantly political could also be locked right away with a reminder that there is another section for those types of topics. I was really hoping when the BS section was publicly announced that it would create an area where all of this crap could be discussed, but when I saw what the minimum numbers was, and the post counts of who the biggest offenders were, I thought there still might be hope if the Mods acted in accordance with Chad's intended result. Unfortunately that didnt happen and we are right back to where we were, as you say. Chad will have to deal with this again unfortunately, probably sooner rather than later. Hopefully he will reconsider a more relaxed entrance requirement for BS, something high enough to exclude the nuts, but low enough to include the people who are on here who just can't control themselves.

SHHHH...don't tell everyone how to get to be a moderator. Dave MUMs the word, Dave! Roger For the record, I never once whined. I was merely persistent in my request. It is all about Perspective Michael Kimda like people from the US are pissed because so called moderate Muslims do not denounce the Radicals in their religion as doing wrong! Similarly, I remember several people who were there who were already moderators and none of them are denouncing this claim? Roger As one can clearly see, Thad was/is a loser.https://community.klipsch.com/index.php?/topic/151550-vote-for-your-choice-to-be-klipsch-forums-next-top-moderator/ I was/am still quite fine with election results, after all that is the American way. However when a loser suddenly gains favor and position trumping due process, Pretty much will never live it down. And ill be right here to remind the masses, Whining/bellyaching/crying/buyin drink(s) can work in you're favor in the end. P.S. LMFAO So he is a usurper? Or is he an imposter? I could help you draft a Petition for a redress of your grievances. Can you start a poll to ask whether he should be recalled where members can respond anonymously?

there is a five guys in huntington beach. went there once a long while back...don’t recall the fries. may have to pay them another visit.by the way Travis, heading to lunch today and flipped on the radio and guess who i heard for the first time (on the radio)? Good Ole Captain Beefheart. Of course it was Sirius XM and not a standard FM station. Deep Tracks? Which song? Something off Safe As Milk?

What is a snow warning? Is that like a storm warning? A certain amount of snow in a certain amount of time. What technically is a "blizzard"? Does the "lake effect" happen each and every year?

Five Guys has awesome fries. There are stacks of 50 lb sacks of potatoes as you walk in, on the chalkboard is tells you what farm, usually in Idaho, they were purchased from.

Oyster Dressing, now that is some good stuff

All charters state a purpose. For-profit charters typically say "for any lawful purpose or business." Non-profit charters set for the exemptions they plan to operate under. But what about giant companies that are not formed as corporations. Individuals and partnerships. How are you going to impose an oath on them? Why should an innocent stock holder be punished if the CEO violates his oath? Shouldn't you just remove the CEO and he forfeits his pay and salary?

I rolled back through the piles of chaff to find this, the last interesting question here. The Capitalists it could be argued have a greater impact on your life than doctors. Not in the acute or emergent sense, but in the overall sense of the quality of your life from birth to death. They are the biggest economic actors, and they really define your economic world for you. Bankers, food suppliers, housing suppliers, medicine and entertainment are all supplied under your consent to let capitalists dictate the terms. They've told the public "no" to GMO labeling. They've told the public it will cost $100,000 for the cure to Hep-C. They've told the public there's no addiction to cigarettes, and no harm is being done to boxers and footballers from concussions through the years. They set the terms for all public debate. When the ACA was being debated initially, they told the WH and Congress and the public that "single payor" was "off the table." The answer to no one. Not the public, not the President, not the Generals, not the DOJ. No one. If you came down here from Mars, examined the situation, you would conclude they are "Dictators of the World" - Gods. And, that would be utterly obvious. The mythical gods all promoted an orthodoxy based on a defined morality. People who regularly follow the mythical gods eagerly, enthusiastically, and with all their heart and soul, embrace whatever morality their mythical gods demand of them. That's well understood. They do it, to please the gods, and because they want all their social relations with the rest of humanity to be conducted with an eye to this particular morality. Often, it could be as simple as a "list of some number of commandments." They follow the commandments and expect others they interact with, to do so too. It becomes a "worldview". And is stated simply like this: If everyone follows this orthodoxy and moral code, the world will be in harmony. The mythical gods however, don't supply CableTV, or Cancer drugs or canned peas. For that, we must turn to what the Martians properly identified as Earth's real gods, the Capitalists. These dictators and petty gods declare they have no moral code, and everyone may simply do what they think they "ought" to do, as long as the law is followed. They declare there is no right and no wrong behavior, merely legal and illegal behavior. Charging 1200% interest is not something anyone "ought" to do, but it is legal to do, and that's the end of that. Adding 1200mg of sodium to a simple can of soup is not something a good chef "ought" to do, but since it is legal to do, and it sure helps sales, it is something they will do. Great fortunes can be made making people sick on the front end, and then greater fortunes yet can be made treating that sickness on the back end. Sound familiar? And so they people invoke their moral code from mythical gods, but it doesn't actually apply anywhere but in the special assemblies of their kind, maybe once a week. All the rest of the time, they agree to submit to the no moral code Gods that actually run their lives. They would not dare ask these petty dictator Gods for a moral code, even one which might protect them, because they were told DON'T ASK by the petty dictator Gods, who naturally want to be free to do as they please. People, being the obedient souls they are, always do as they are told, by whichever of the gods has their attention. And so, they happily dig into the unhealthy profitable food, booze and tobacco, so that at a later time they can turn over their life savings for the privilege of living 6 months longer with their cancer. Never once does it occur to ask, "what ought we be doing instead?" Everything you have said is a complaint against the political process, not really the economic SYSTEM. I think what your real beef should be is over campaign finance and lobbying. But I still don't see an oath or code, even just one example, for capitalists. I can't think of a thing I said about the political process. Not a thing. It's mostly irrelevant to the general idea being expressed. When you say, "I don't see an oath or code, even just one example, for capitalists." I hope you understand that my argument has been that capitalism hasn't now, or ever had, a moral foundation. And that what I am suggesting is that humanity would be far better off if we demanded such a moral foundation in the economy. So, I am referring to some future goal, not the present condition. And, I've mentioned at least three times what the minimum goal might be for a revised morally based economy. Hmmmm? Maybe its just that we're so accustomed to the way things are we can't even imagine a change? You didn't mention the political or process, but all of your complaints are addressed to the political process. All of them can be addressed by legislation if that were the will of the political body. I am trying to think of a morally based economic system, and I just can't think of one on a macro level. There are plenty on a micro level. It has been 30 years since I read Utopia, was that based on morals? Whose morals are we going to choose? I kind of want to know that before I join in a goal for a morally based economy.

That wasn't my impression.

I rolled back through the piles of chaff to find this, the last interesting question here. The Capitalists it could be argued have a greater impact on your life than doctors. Not in the acute or emergent sense, but in the overall sense of the quality of your life from birth to death. They are the biggest economic actors, and they really define your economic world for you. Bankers, food suppliers, housing suppliers, medicine and entertainment are all supplied under your consent to let capitalists dictate the terms. They've told the public "no" to GMO labeling. They've told the public it will cost $100,000 for the cure to Hep-C. They've told the public there's no addiction to cigarettes, and no harm is being done to boxers and footballers from concussions through the years. They set the terms for all public debate. When the ACA was being debated initially, they told the WH and Congress and the public that "single payor" was "off the table." The answer to no one. Not the public, not the President, not the Generals, not the DOJ. No one. If you came down here from Mars, examined the situation, you would conclude they are "Dictators of the World" - Gods. And, that would be utterly obvious. The mythical gods all promoted an orthodoxy based on a defined morality. People who regularly follow the mythical gods eagerly, enthusiastically, and with all their heart and soul, embrace whatever morality their mythical gods demand of them. That's well understood. They do it, to please the gods, and because they want all their social relations with the rest of humanity to be conducted with an eye to this particular morality. Often, it could be as simple as a "list of some number of commandments." They follow the commandments and expect others they interact with, to do so too. It becomes a "worldview". And is stated simply like this: If everyone follows this orthodoxy and moral code, the world will be in harmony. The mythical gods however, don't supply CableTV, or Cancer drugs or canned peas. For that, we must turn to what the Martians properly identified as Earth's real gods, the Capitalists. These dictators and petty gods declare they have no moral code, and everyone may simply do what they think they "ought" to do, as long as the law is followed. They declare there is no right and no wrong behavior, merely legal and illegal behavior. Charging 1200% interest is not something anyone "ought" to do, but it is legal to do, and that's the end of that. Adding 1200mg of sodium to a simple can of soup is not something a good chef "ought" to do, but since it is legal to do, and it sure helps sales, it is something they will do. Great fortunes can be made making people sick on the front end, and then greater fortunes yet can be made treating that sickness on the back end. Sound familiar? And so they people invoke their moral code from mythical gods, but it doesn't actually apply anywhere but in the special assemblies of their kind, maybe once a week. All the rest of the time, they agree to submit to the no moral code Gods that actually run their lives. They would not dare ask these petty dictator Gods for a moral code, even one which might protect them, because they were told DON'T ASK by the petty dictator Gods, who naturally want to be free to do as they please. People, being the obedient souls they are, always do as they are told, by whichever of the gods has their attention. And so, they happily dig into the unhealthy profitable food, booze and tobacco, so that at a later time they can turn over their life savings for the privilege of living 6 months longer with their cancer. Never once does it occur to ask, "what ought we be doing instead?" Everything you have said is a complaint against the political process, not really the economic SYSTEM. I think what your real beef should be is over campaign finance and lobbying. But I still don't see an oath or code, even just one example, for capitalists.

Medscape article about the petition and facebood page

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/MD-Anderson-doctor-planning-online-petition-6083743.php Article by Houston Chronicle about MD Anderson doctor's petition to protest price of cancer drugs.

Chief Oncologist at UT MD Anderson says they are price gouging, so I will go with him, it is Immoral. "Oncologists like Kantarjian have become increasingly vocal about the financial strains for patients and the profits drug companies are making. This week, more than 100 of the nation’s leading cancer doctors, including several past presidents of the American Society of Clinical Oncology and James Allison, the scientist whose basic research led to the development of Yervoy, released a statement in the Mayo Clinic Proceedings that called for reforms to rein in costs, including changing laws they believe have allowed prices to balloon."

I responded that there was inadequate data to judge. Dave I'm trying to get y'all some credible data.

The R&D cost was less than 400 million.

I am really glad you got it Rick. A judge friend of mine had to do interferon, at the time that was all that was available. The very rich can obviously get any drug, Bart Star was just in Mexico getting a treatment, or the very poor if it is approved by medicade. What is immoral is that we don't allow Medicare to negotiate with drug companies. Think about that. We all pay for the cost of these drugs. "Matt Salo, executive director of the National Association of Medicaid Directors, said competition from Viekira Pak has enabled states to win bigger rebates from the manufacturers. But Salo says cost remains a "major, major problem" because of the large number of people with hepatitis C. At the median discounted price, a 12-week treatment regimen of Harvoni costs about $98,000. Even with discounts of more than 40 percent, the VA says hepatitis C drugs are contributing to a budget shortfall. The agency asked Congress on Monday for up to $500 million from a new overhaul law to pay for unanticipated costs of treating the disease." That was a report from this past July.

Nobody read The Billion Dollar Molecule by Werth? Look up Vertex Pharmaceuticals. They have two drugs, one for cystic fibrosis, I believe it runs 350,000 a year.

What's the moral code established for Chase Bank, or Monsanto, or Massey Energy? That's the point. They operate within a "code" or boundaries. Those boundries consist of the law, constitutional, statutory, regulatory and common. The political system determines what is legal, illegal, prohibited, allowable or otherwise. It establishes the "morals" or "core values" under which the companies or individuals operate. The law doesn't match "morals" because morals are not universally agreed upon. The easiest example to refer to is the economy we started with was not capitalism, but a slave economy. I would hope there would be universal agreement today that slavery is immoral, both then and now, but of course not everyone agreed about that back then. Slavery was of course abolished, but it took another 100 years, at least, to be at a point where the law was applied somewhat equally to all. The economy has transformed numerous times since then. Public policy, established by law is what causes those shifts. The biggest example of that was whether there should be a National Bank. You continue to say they have morals, but unless they can be seen, or more literally read, they don't exist. I actually posted the full text of the Hippocratic oath, the military oath, and several others. A moral code is not a notion, it's written down for all to see. Somehow, we're not communicating. I have never seen a moral code for capitalism. I've never seen a moral code in a corporate prospectus, because they're is no moral code in capitalism. Please, compare your doctor to Monsanto or Chase to see what I mean. I mean a literal Code of Ethics. Sent from my SM-T330NU using Tapatalk Professions have codes of ethics, it is one of the things that distinguishes them from other occupations. They are distinguishable from oaths. Some codes are entirely voluntarily, others, such as in law, medicine, nursing, are set out as regulations under licensing boards, the violations of which can result in suspension or revocation of the license. Violation of an oath of office or professional oath is rarely actionable. It is a violation of a ethical obligation under law (professional rules of etics) that results in punitive action. Nixon wasn't impeached for violating his oath of office, it was for violations of law. Economic systems don't have codes of ethics, although I suppose it would be possible to do so. Require anyone pulling a business license to swear some type of oath. It is the components of an economic system which are regulated and subject to law. What I am not u derstanding is what would the code of ethics say for capitalists? Swear to follow the Constitution of the US and abide by the laws of the US? They are already required to do that. Maybe it would contain something like "pay your employees a decent wage? Everyone might even agree with that (contractors with the US Govt. are in fact required to). But a violation of that code of ethics coild not result in punitive action, it would be unconstitutional. Then you have the problem of who writes the list of ethics? What's in, whats out. The fact of the matter is that if a legislative body, local, state or federal sees something in the economic system that it perceives as wrong/improper/immoral it simply passes a law prohibiting the conduct. Like slavery, child labor, unsafe drugs/supplements, unfair competition, false advertising, deceptive trade practices, etc. That isnthe reactionary "stick" approach. They can also encourage conduct, the carrot approach. Grants, incentives, tax breaks, deductions, capital investment, etc. Personally i would rather have a pack of trial lawyers out there making sure that corporations are acting as good citizens as opposed to requiring them to take oaths.

They seem to flock here from everywhere for some reason. Maybe it's a mistaken belief in mobility. Or maybe our stagnate bottom is better than their upwardly-mobile "yuppies." You have to wonder what high mobility is like in Afghanistan. Pretty good if you are a drug lord. Don't we have a program where we are paying people thwre not to grow pot for hash production?

What's the moral code established for Chase Bank, or Monsanto, or Massey Energy? That's the point. They operate within a "code" or boundaries. Those boundries consist of the law, constitutional, statutory, regulatory and common. The political system determines what is legal, illegal, prohibited, allowable or otherwise. It establishes the "morals" or "core values" under which the companies or individuals operate. The law doesn't match "morals" because morals are not universally agreed upon. The easiest example to refer to is the economy we started with was not capitalism, but a slave economy. I would hope there would be universal agreement today that slavery is immoral, both then and now, but of course not everyone agreed about that back then. Slavery was of course abolished, but it took another 100 years, at least, to be at a point where the law was applied somewhat equally to all. The economy has transformed numerous times since then. Public policy, established by law is what causes those shifts. The biggest example of that was whether there should be a National Bank.